Project M Social Thread

[stingers]

the hitbox comes out on frame 6. seems pretty fast to me.

 

[Magus420]

And pit is capable of shield grabing as long as they don't use multishines. However all top falco's and even terrible/mediocre ones like myself can do it . Considering it is easier to do in PM it is a better and safer option overall so expect to see it more often in PM. Meaning no shieldgrabbing for you! Also Pit's Upsmash isn't fast enough.

Actually with shield DI you can shieldgrab multishines from Falco cuz the hitbox on his shine sucks: http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=8688980&postcount=363

Also, the u-smash is fast enough to hit between shine->aerial. Dunno where the move hits at though. Zelda's u-smash in melee is only 1 frame faster than Pit's and is actually really good against Falco's shield pressure. Since you can u-smash directly from shield in Brawl they end up being the same speed.

 

[stingers]

@spam_arrows: owned

 

[GP&B]

I believe YTink's Dair was brought up a while ago and it reminded me: was there any ideas in mind for helping this out? From the comments I heard in the stream from both the players and commenters, it's really only for damage and it's suicidal off-stage. I was thinking that the length on his Dair should be significantly reduced to start with.

If matt or shadic comes by the thread, would you be able to explain what YTink's main problems are at the moment? Yes, I know Link is also suffering but many of those issues currently deal with hitboxes and properties (which will be taken care of easily), a needed model resize, and some discussion over which moves need speed ups.

 

[Archangel]

Actually with shield DI you can shieldgrab multishines from Falco cuz the hitbox on his shine sucks: http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=8688980&postcount=363

Also, the u-smash is fast enough to hit between shine->aerial. Dunno where the move hits at though. Zelda's u-smash in melee is only 1 frame faster than Pit's and is actually really good against Falco's shield pressure. Since you can u-smash directly from shield in Brawl they end up being the same speed.

I didn't know shield DI was implemented yet.

@spam_arrows: owned

Wrong I said I'm not sure where is magnus.

 

[stingers]

Its not impossible because nothing is impossible it's just unlikely. Pit's moves are either to slow or to weak. Gimping falco is easy. Everyone thinks that gimping a spacie or CG/Combing them makes your character good. I'll put it this way. Name 1 move pit has that can get him out of shield **** and shield pressure from a high level fox/Falco player such as M2K, Mango, Zhu, Dr.PP, Shiz, Colbol,...*list goes on a bit*.

don't say anything else just give me 1 option he's got to get away from them and their 1 frame shines..(Especially considering that Multi-shines is at about 30% easier to do) give me something he can do. Anything?

lol...owned.

 

[Sneak8288]

I didn't know shield DI was implemented yet.





Wrong I said I'm not sure where is magnus.

i thought u could do it in brawl already?

 

[Wind Owl]

I didn't know shield DI was implemented yet.

Sakurai implemented it about two years ago.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

CRAZY PIT IDEAS NO ONE WILL LISTEN TO:
Allow him to do aerials during his Up-B without cancelling it.
Give him much greater arrow control.

Peach 2.0.

 

[I R MarF]

Pit would definitely benefit from bigger double jumps and more combo friendly trajectories on his aerials. His fair should definitely send at a more upward angle, and his nair should be single hit and operate like Peach's or Marth's nairs by hitting away.

 

[SymphonicSage12]

I'm just wondering if Bowser's fair will have a larger range (or at least about equal to) than Marth's, like in vBrawl? Or will Bowser inherit his T-Rex itty bitty arms from melee?

 

[TL?]

Please don't go overboard with replacing moves. That's really becoming the one thing im worried about with this project. No, pit shouldn't have sheik's ftilt. That's a terrible idea.

 

[Sterowent]

i'm still pretty sure everyone was joking about that, TL.

 

[Sneak8288]

lol wtf someone suggested sheiks ftilt?

 

[FireBall Stars]

Stingers was joking about giving Pit ftilt properties like sheik's one

I was joking too, but it would very interesting to see haha

Bowser already has bigger arms since brawl, I guess that's a buff on range that he always needed

 

[Dingding123]

As ******** as it sounds, shiek's ftilt kb on pt's ftilt sounds like a great idea. And yeah, he definitely needs it.

Allowing him to cancel his sideB midway through it with his shield would be nice too. That move needs to be more different from his downB, IMO.

 

[Akuma2120]

CRAZY PIT IDEAS NO ONE WILL LISTEN TO:
Allow him to do aerials during his Up-B without cancelling it.
Give him much greater arrow control.

Peach 2.0.

I like this, if Pit could fly faster with his UpB, I think it would be interesting for him to be able to use moves without falling right after

 

[Grim Tuesday]

I like this, if Pit could fly faster with his UpB, I think it would be interesting for him to be able to use moves without falling right after

Yay! Someone else agrees!
Too bad no one else will...

 

[Sterowent]

indeed, i disagree. but it's gotten me thinking of how awesome it'd be to see pit pop someone in the air followed by an upB > aerial as some kind of setup. jumping would probably be faster though.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

indeed, i disagree. but it's gotten me thinking of how awesome it'd be to see pit pop someone in the air followed by an upB > aerial as some kind of kill setup. jumping would probably be faster though.

But we ARE in agreement about buffing up-B on stage it seems. Any chance for this devs? I feel it would add greater depth to Pit's gameplay and help him get rid of that "Marth but worse" stigma.

 

[Dingding123]

I like the idea of pit's aerials not cancelling his upb as well. Pit needs work; it looks like that's pretty much a fact now, any way you look at it. At the very least, that will help.

Edit: Howzabout combining the shiek fair KB idea (whether that was originally a joke or not) with the pit's upB aerials idea? That'd be really interesting, IMO.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Overall, if we go with this idea, I think Pit's buffs should be:
• Faster horizontal movement on Up-B.
• Attacks do not cancel Up-B.
• Adjust Up-B frames so you can combo in and out of it.
• Nair is a sex kick
• More combo-friendly fair, bair and uair.
• Dair spikes with the very tip, knocks grounded opponents up. Has knockback similar to MK's dair when not spiking?

 

[FrozenHobo]

please stop.

 

[FireBall Stars]

with all of that buffs plus a spiking dair Pit would so broken offstage. >_>

With all of that I think a meteor move wouldn't be needed

 

[Grim Tuesday]

please stop.

Funny, why am I suddenly remembering a post I made a while back... What was it again? Something about how the devs "Shoot down ideas with no reasoning other than "No. Just no"?

with all of that buffs plus a spiking dair Pit would so broken offstage. >_>

With all of that I think a meteor move wouldn't be needed

I was thinking that he'd be broken with all that... Any of those elements can be left out or nerfed of course. I was mainly just making a list of ideas to buff him, not saying "Pit should have all of these kthnx".

 

[FrozenHobo]

i'm not shooting your idea. i'm telling you to stop. i would explain more, but its all br discussion. so before you go on a crusade to get changes, just stop.

 

[Sneak8288]

all because i said should pits dair spike

 

[FireBall Stars]

People like to discuss about possible character changes.

Please don't interpretate that those discussion are requests, I don't think people will be screwed if they play the game and find that their ideas haven't beeen used.

Of course they are hoping that their ideas gonna used and ask devs opinions and all. But it's just normal discussion at all.

 

[FrozenHobo]

you're missing the point... anyway, this topic should discuss rob...

 

[Grim Tuesday]

i'm not shooting your idea. i'm telling you to stop. i would explain more, but its all br discussion. so before you go on a crusade to get changes, just stop.

People like to discuss about possible character changes.

Please don't interpretate that those discussion are requests, I don't think people will be screwed if they play the game and find that their ideas haven't beeen used.

Please listen to Fireball, Frobo. I don't main Pit, I don't care what he turns out like (Unless he has some kind of chain grab or 1HK against Jigglypuff ), I am just making suggestions.

I'm not a member of the backroom am I? So where else am I supposed to put my suggestions?

I'm not going on a crusade either, but I would like to know why you are so opposed to even trying my ideas when you guys DID try the reasonably controversial Bowser buffs.

 

[FrozenHobo]

again, you people are missing the point by a mile. just change the discussion to rob now.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

again, you people are missing the point by a mile. just change the discussion to rob now.

Cool story bro, care to tell me HOW I am missing the point?

I'll talk to my friend Jamage (R.O.B. main) about what he thinks should be done with him.

 

[GP&B]

I'm going to guess that the BR is already actively discussing this and there's no current need for ideas on Pit here at all, right?

So, R.O.B. time then. He does need some discussion.

 

[SymphonicSage12]

Overall, if we go with this idea, I think Pit's buffs should be:
• Faster horizontal movement on Up-B.
• Attacks do not cancel Up-B.
• Adjust Up-B frames so you can combo in and out of it.
• Nair is a sex kick
• More combo-friendly fair, bair and uair.
• Dair spikes with the very tip, knocks grounded opponents up. Has knockback similar to MK's dair when not spiking?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31g0YE61PLQ

On to R.O.B discussion! I think his ftilt needs more uses. Perhaps more disjointed awesomeness?

 

[Deleted member]

Make that ROB ******* less campy.

I suppose his recovery could be fine with Melee gravity changes.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31g0YE61PLQ

Thankyou for that reply. I see you carefully considered what I was saying, gave constructive criticism where it was needed and delivered it in an intelligent manner.

Oh wait, naw, you just posted like a ***.

I'm going to guess that the BR is already actively discussing this and there's no current need for ideas on Pit here at all, right?

If this is the case, you could have just said it FroBo, rather than trying to make me sound like an idiot (which you were obviously trying to do by making it seem like the reason for not discussing it was obvious).

I swear, some of the people in this thread...

 

[Turbo Ether]

JCable SideB for Pit. Amazing mixup potential.

 

[stingers]

hey I main ROB in brawl...but im totally disinterested in playing him in melee..i might think of things later

 

[FrozenHobo]

Thankyou for that reply. I see you carefully considered what I was saying, gave constructive criticism where it was needed and delivered it in an intelligent manner.

Oh wait, naw, you just posted like a ***.



If this is the case, you could have just said it FroBo, rather than trying to make me sound like an idiot (which you were obviously trying to do by making it seem like the reason for not discussing it was obvious).

I swear, some of the people in this thread...

holy ****, i try to be civil and you people still can't figure out what the hell is going on. i told you its in br discussion. there was no "lol watch him look dumb" **** going on. you know what? to hell with you people. i try to have an adult conversation, tell you that the discussion needs to be moved on and i still get treated like i'm being a ****, then i'll be a ****.

most of the ideas you're listing have already been implemented. i'm telling you to stop because the topic will devolve into you arguing about things that have already been done. i'm not allowed to say which things have been done, so excuse me if i don't tell your idiotic *** outright what going on.

now, stick to rob and quit *****ing when people try to treat you like an adult.

 

[rPSIvysaur]

Dude, no more suggestions for Pit or I infract you for spam.