Project M Social Thread

[Asylum]

To expand on what Monk said, while it hasn't been fixed, you can technically do it if you just light press one of your shoulder buttons. It's not that bad to adjust to.

That is true, but personally it is much easier and more fluent to do it using both shoulder buttons like in melee. Many people who use both can agree.

 

[bubbaking]

I agree 100%. And I find it somewhat difficult to purposefully lightshield so I can WD OoS.

 

[Kaye Cruiser]

Ike as he was in v2.1 was too simplistic, easy, and effective

While I already stated that I'll give 2.5 Ike a shot, I want to express my personal thoughts and response to this statement here. Probably not so much on a competitive level, but on the grounds of typical character designs.

But that's exactly what makes Ike as fun as he's always been in any version of this game. It's not like he was always the best since he had things he had to look out for, but he wasn't so overly complicated either. Guys with big swords in video games are never characters that require tons of precision and thinking to use. Not in fighting games or otherwise. Well, unless you're playing Devil May Cry.

If I want a really good sword character that uses a bunch of complicated strategies, lots of precision, and quick thinking upon quick thinking in order to win, I'll just use Marth. And I do use Marth.

I don't need or want a second Marth with a big sword. >>

On the other hand, it may not be so bad. The real problem is that I can't wrap my mind around how this major shift could be beneficial since it's so alien and foreign. Plus, I'm impatient to find out for myself tomorrow.

 

[Sethlon]

those video's made me the smasher I am today. I remember the first time I got to meet them. It was like meeting celebrities, only better.

I actually played Project M with Mike at a tournament a little while back. We won teams lol. Good times. Project Men.

I also enjoy the Luke vs Eddy videos. Slightly less old school, though.

Yeah, for me it was the DBR combo videos that pulled me into competitive smash, but all of the Punch Crew stuff was right behind it as far as growing my first crew. Cool to hear that some of them still play!

My roommate and I quote stupid words all the time haha. No reason to keep it on the inside .

All of the DFW cats are like post Brawl era now though, so they just look at me funny whenever I make the references lol

 

[Kink-Link5]

Who said any offense was taken? That's twice in arrow you've made an assumption that was incorrect.

Lesson of the day. When you Assume you make an *** out of u.

but it's all good. Nothing but love here.

Stop bubbaking around, Spam_Arrows.

 

[Sanity's_Theif]

Just gotta say I love the new Ike changes, he was way too ridiculous before, I think I'll try using him this time

 

[Wieners]

Since no one seems to have asked yet. To prep for 2.5 should I clear my sd card and start off fresh? Or leave 2.1 as is. I don't have any custom music.

 

[Internalyzed]

It'd probably be simpler to clear your SD card and start off fresh, because it's unlikely that there were any characters that stayed exactly the same from 2.1 to 2.5. As for stages, some of them were changed too, so unless you know exactly which ones didn't change, it'd be simpler to start off fresh.

 

[Wobbly Headed Bob]

sword character that uses a bunch of complicated strategies, lots of precision, and quick thinking upon quick thinking in order to win

Marth.

 

[Wieners]

It'd probably be simpler to clear your SD card and start off fresh, because it's unlikely that there were any characters that stayed exactly the same from 2.1 to 2.5. As for stages, some of them were changed too, so unless you know exactly which ones didn't change, it'd be simpler to start off fresh.

Yeah. I wasn't sure if the download would be faster or not if I left it as is so the files could overwrite (or if it would interfere or not).

 

[Kaye Cruiser]

There's no need to be a complete ****** about it, Noir. I'm trying to keeps things as civil as possible.

And I didn't say Link because I see him less as a sword character and more of a utility type character. Not quite on the level of Snake, but still.

*shrugs* But whatever,

 

[hotdogturtle]

Mew Squirtle? I never would have guessed. I thought it was RBY Normal-type Squirtle.

Spoiler

 

[JOE!]

Noob-a = Bowser?

 

[Kink-Link5]

There's no need to be a complete ****** about it, Noir. I'm trying to keeps things as civil as possible.

And I didn't say Link because I see him less as a sword character and more of a utility type character. Not quite on the level of Snake, but still.

*shrugs* But whatever,

Link hardly takes precision or quick decision making.

Characters like Sheik are quick decision characters. You have 6 tools available with different utilities at once, and each has its own merits, speed, range, etc to use with their own problems too. Against shield, she can space an aerial, go for an empty hop ff grab with her great SHFF, use u-tilt to stay safe at the expense of an open middle of the move, use D-tilt to try and poke the shield, go for her fast and long reaching jab to beat spot dodges but risk a shield grab, or choose to wait a second and try and react to the opponent's decision out of shield, like dashing dancing into a grab if they roll.

Marth is a positioning based character that relies heavily on his neutral game's range and swing arcs to cover as much of the stage as possible at a given time while staying safely out of range for counterattacks.

Link is a frame trappy kind of character, throw out a bunch if you have the time to set up and go for solid bnbs on a confirmed hit.

 

[standardtoaster]

I'm surprised you didn't list sheik's needles

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Is the lava removed from the new Norfair?

 

[Kaye Cruiser]

I kind of put "positioning" along the same lines of "precision" due to the need to be very "precise" as to where you "position" yourself and your attacks for the "precise" result you want.

Hence why I said Marth.

Link...Yeah, what you said about Link makes more sense.

 

[Juushichi]

I wasn't aware that Marth was a particularly successful character that excelled at stupidly throwing out hitboxes and super easy winning when one looked at the true scheme of things, noir.

Complicated thinking, precision and quick timing and reactions seems to fit the bill for high-level marth. Don't you have two high-level Marths out in Arizona? I would think you'd know as much.

 

[bubbaking]

Maybe that's why he thinks Marth is easy...

Spoiler

jk

 

[Smooth Criminal]

Really, Juu?

All Cactuar says is swing your sword.

Smooth Criminal

 

[ELI-mination]

I'd just like to jump in and mention that I think it's easier + less mindful to be successful with spacies than with 2.1 Ike.
And people who get hit consistently by randomly thrown out attacks are bad regardless of the character.

 

[Juushichi]

Cactuar has a bunch of bull**** subtext with the simple stuff he says that is probably hard to glean unless you talk to him for hours at a time like KK, PP, etc etc.

 

[cannedbread]

marth is easy just fair fair dair fsmash minna mitette kure dd wd grab all day long without repercussions

 

[iLink]

I dunno, the most difficult thing Ike has to do is l-cancel and RAR aside from not playing completely ********.

 

[bubbaking]

Canned, you're starting to sound like Kink ranting about how Falcon is the most braindead char ever.

 

[Hylian]

So do we know if it's going to be released at midnight tonight or later in the day?

 

[Strong Badam]

Don't hold your breath on a midnight release, folks.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

awwwwwww. Oh well. I can grab it 2mrw I suppose.

 

[iLink]

I think a more important question is if we are all going to be able to download it without any problems and site crashing.

 

[ELI-mination]

I dunno, the most difficult thing Ike has to do is l-cancel and RAR aside from not playing completely ********.

Oh word I knew that playing completely ******** was a viable strategy for other characters

 

[clowsui]

Cactuar has a bunch of bull**** subtext with the simple stuff he says that is probably hard to glean unless you talk to him for hours at a time like KK, PP, etc etc.

LOL i can attest to this

he is the greatest thinker of our time though, when it comes to melee. make no mistake

 

[Juushichi]

I think a more important question is if we are all going to be able to download it without any problems and site crashing.

Don't hold your breath on that one, I would guess.

I was going to say don't hold hope on a midnight release, but strongbad already covered it. Even if that was the case, I'd be long asleep for it anyway. Freaking early morning shifts.

 

[iLink]

Because that is totally what I said

 

[C.SDK]

Why isn't PM distributed through torrenting? It makes downloading way easier and it should give the smashmods servers some time to rest. XD

Have a few people download through the server, torrent, seedseedseedseedseed.

 

[shanus]

Don't hold your breath on a midnight release, folks.

in summary

 

[Smooth Criminal]

Lmaoooooooo @ shanus

Smooth Criminal

 

[Eaode]

are you guys expecting a delay of any amount at all? I mean us not holding our breath for midnight means you must be finishing something, but are you guys confident that it won't be a barrier to release at all?

 

[Strong Badam]

Why isn't PM distributed through torrenting? It makes downloading way easier and it should give the smashmods servers some time to rest. XD

Have a few people download through the server, torrent, seedseedseedseedseed.

Torrents don't allow us to accurately track how many people have downloaded the game, which is about the only measure of success we have for a free game.

 

[Wieners]

are you guys expecting a delay of any amount at all? I mean us not holding our breath for midnight means you must be finishing something, but are you guys confident that it won't be a barrier to release at all?

They might just release it at a random time tomorrow to avoid a massive influx of downloads at once. If everyone is waiting at midnight they might have trouble even releasing it because of how many people are sitting on the site waiting. By releasing it at a random time it might go a little smoother (atleast until the news gets out that it's up for download).

 

[Wobbly Headed Bob]

I wasn't aware that Marth was a particularly successful character that excelled at stupidly throwing out hitboxes and super easy winning when one looked at the true scheme of things, noir.

Complicated thinking, precision and quick timing and reactions seems to fit the bill for high-level marth. Don't you have two high-level Marths out in Arizona? I would think you'd know as much.

Oh, I didn't know that Marth wasn't good at throwing safe moves that cover a 180 degree arc at a range like he's famous for. Complicated thinking, precision, and quick timing seems to fit the bill for every high-level character, Ike included. It's rather more of a player trait than a character requirement. Relative to other characters though, Marth is an extremely simple character (and so is 2.1v Ike). I was actually disappointed at PM Ike because he was like an even simpler and more successful version of Marth.

Marth is just one of the simplest characters Melee has to offer. I remember joining NS in 2006 thinking that Marth was such a complex character because of his hitbox system. I had a pretty rude awakening.

Complex characters that require quick timing, precision, and reactions? OH HEY, what about Pikachu?