Project M Social Thread

[Juushichi]

"this isn't real melee!"

 

[DMG]

"You picked Ike"

 

[ELI-mination]

I'd just like to point out to all the people who john about P:M feeling "off"

M2K (you know, that frame perfect machine? top player? etc.) said that he felt playing Fox was almost exactly the same from melee. He said it all just carried over perfectly from melee. And he was playing 2.1, mind you.

So stay john happy.

 

[foshio]

Any vids of that tourni Eli??

 

[KingBlaze777]

Worst john's go to metroid's reverse johning. That **** messes with your brain.

 

[JediKnightTemplar]

Any idea what's causing my screen to white out after I press start or A at the project M main title screen? I'm using hackless method, full set if that helps any. Funny thing is, it only does it sometimes when starting up project m, and when it does it'll do it like 3+ times in a row.

EDIT: it also alternately blacks out after the intro sequence is skipped just BEFORE the title screen...

Sounds like a problem with your Brawl disc to me. Try booting up vBrawl a few times and seeing if the same thing happens. I can tell your situation sounds almost exactly like what happened to me and I ended up having to get a new disc.

 

[DrinkingFood]

I had to boot up brawl in the first place to load hackless P:M lol. I know my brawl is working fine.

 

[Wizzrobe]

Ok fine
9am swag

Wake up to this question: what's your least favorite john?

I don't mind johns if they are legit.

 

[ELI-mination]

Like "he was using buffer"

Lol jk

I just wanna add that I make people consistently john about DK which is pretty hilarious considering the existence of some other characters.

 

[Rikana]

Video link to the tourney?

 

[metroid1117]

Worst john's go to metroid's reverse johning. That **** messes with your brain.

Lol, is it really that weird?

But yeah, I don't know. I want to beat my opponent while they're playing at their best; otherwise, it doesn't feel like a legit win to me.

But yeah Eli, do you have a link to the full results and will there be videos? Even though you guys didn't sweep 1st and 2nd, good stuff to you and Leelue for taking 2nd and 3rd.

 

[Life]

I'd just like to point out to all the people who john about P:M feeling "off"

M2K (you know, that frame perfect machine? top player? etc.) said that he felt playing Fox was almost exactly the same from melee. He said it all just carried over perfectly from melee. And he was playing 2.1, mind you.

So stay john happy.

Gonna have to save this somewhere.

 

[CORY]

like a sig, perhaps?

 

[Mr.Jackpot]

I'd just like to point out to all the people who john about P:M feeling "off"

M2K (you know, that frame perfect machine? top player? etc.) said that he felt playing Fox was almost exactly the same from melee. He said it all just carried over perfectly from melee. And he was playing 2.1, mind you.

So stay john happy.

M2K also transitions smoothly from Melee to Brawl unlike most Melee players so Brawl stuff left in PM shouldn't feel too off for him.

Wasn't Demo 1 also supposedly "just like Melee" except for landing detection?

 

[Rikana]

There are still quite a few things that make P:M Fox off from his Melee counterpart such as Stage Colllision Detection bugs, ledge grabbing with Phantasm, etc. For the most part, Melee and P:M Fox are quite transferable.

 

[GuruKid]

Finals matches unfortunately weren't recorded straight from the Wii, but D1 recorded Grand Finals and part of Loser's from his phone and said he'd upload em soon.

 

[Giygacoal]

Wasn't Demo 1 also supposedly "just like Melee" except for landing detection?

It was much less refined than that. Animations were off, the grab boxes didn't have enough disjoint (otherwise something similar that made Marth's spacie chain grab less functional because Marth couldn't grab targets somewhat behind him), wavedashing/air dodging could be done with light presses, et cetera.

 

[cannedbread]

"wow why does she has a hitbox at the end of her recovery?" (playing as zelda)

"lucas gets too much reward off of a fully charged ou usmash, it's ridiculous and needs a nerf" (my personal favorite)

"you shouldn't be able to just spam upb in the middle of the stage all you want, you can't do that in melee" (playing as snake)

"jigglypuff is gay"

"nice combo" (after doing a dash attack combo with zelda, di'ing against me btw)

"ike invalidates marth"

"zelda is the only character i know that can consistenly usmash 02d everybody"

these are all legit johns btw
my playgroup is awful

 

[DMG]

Lol

The only one I agree with is the Snake one, but mostly from a design perspective I don't find it that interesting. The applications out of say throws or extending combos is cool, but as a defensive option or wall it's really not fun watching Snake Upb Aerial Fast fall. He looks spastic and jittery doing it.

 

[cannedbread]

sh upb to uair is mad cute

 

[bubbaking]

Wake up to this question: what's your least favorite john?

"Oh great! Everyone can recover now? This isn't like Melee at all! "
"Lucario is just mashing buttons!!! "
"I didn't know Sword uses Ike. "
All actual johns that I've heard people say to me.

I'd just like to point out to all the people who john about P:M feeling "off"

M2K (you know, that frame perfect machine? top player? etc.) said that he felt playing Fox was almost exactly the same from melee. He said it all just carried over perfectly from melee. And he was playing 2.1, mind you.

So stay john happy.

Yeah, but that's Fox so your entire argument is invalidated.

The only one I agree with is the Snake one, but mostly from a design perspective I don't find it that interesting. The applications out of say throws or extending combos is cool, but as a defensive option or wall it's really not fun watching Snake Upb Aerial Fast fall. He looks spastic and jittery doing it.

Idk, it kinda reminds me of pillaring. It's like a mix of 64 Ness pillaring and Melee Falco pillaring which I actually like a lot. I have actually upB > dair > upB > dair pillared people before with Snake and it's extremely fun and satisfying.

#PseudoSpaceeMetagame

 

[leafbarrett]

"Why can Lucario cancel out of his UpB? Nobody else can act out of theirs." *coughSoniccough*

"Lucario is the only character that has actual button combos, why should he get them and nobody else?"
"Actual button combos" referring to the button input chains that other fighting games use. Which, by the way, doesn't describe the OHC system either. >.>;

 

[iLink]

The only legit john is cold fingers

The only johns I ever get thrown at me are for using Fox or Lucario. I'd probably get falco johns too if I used him more.

 

[Giygacoal]

Idk, it kinda reminds me of pillaring. It's like a mix of 64 Ness pillaring and Melee Falco pillaring which I actually like a lot. I have actually upB > dair > upB > dair pillared people before with Snake and it's extremely fun and satisfying.

I've been confused by this: What is pillaring, exactly? Some people say it's Falco's successive shine/uptilt dair combo, while others say that isn't the "traditional" definition, and that pillaring is a shield pressure technique with the Spacies that generally uses said moves.

 

[Sneak8288]

Originally pillaring was referred to shield pressure with Falco but then adapted the combo meaning later on

 

[bubbaking]

"Why can Lucario cancel out of his UpB? Nobody else can act out of theirs." *coughSoniccough*

And Snake, and G&W, and ROB and (so many characters, lolz)...

The only legit john is cold fingers

Nah, there are couple more johns than that. Controller johns can be legit. Time johns make sense (as in, I have to catch a bus right now). Someone walking in front of the screen or being abnormally close to you is obvious.

Just last weekend, I actually had two legit johns in one. For some reason, the Wii I was on reverted my control scheme to someone else's, despite the fact that I had just played a set out on that Wii. Nevertheless, I decided to troop on and brought Ryan K to last stock. However, the second john came immediately after. Ryan and Eli had to catch a train in a couple minutes so I just forfeited. Really unsatisfying, but what can you do?

Luckily for me, I don't really place as much stock in 'who won' as most people seem to, so johns usually seem like a waste of time to me.

I've been confused by this: What is pillaring, exactly? Some people say it's Falco's successive shine/uptilt dair combo, while others say that isn't the "traditional" definition, and that pillaring is a shield pressure technique with the Spacies that generally uses said moves.

The term has evolved and expanded as time went on and individual regions started using it differently. I believe the term originally referred to SSB 64 Ness's DJC dair pressure on shields. That crap broke your shield for free if Ness caught you in one. In terms of shield pressure, it was expanded to include both Melee spacees' forms of dairshine pressure. However, before long, the term also began being used to refer to the act of hitting someone up and down and up and down. In this sense, 64 Ness also 'pillars' his opponent, and with only a single move too (dair). Falco pillars his opponent using shine > dair with a utilt thrown in here and there for good measure. Currently, the term can be used very broadly to refer to both spacee-like shield pressure and Falco-like 'shinedair' combos, hence my example of Snake's upB (shine) > dair (meteor).

I'd assume that another example of a 'pillaring' combo could be Zard's dsmash/dair > dair > dsmash/dair > dair combos and another example of 'pillar' shield pressure could be Wolf's dairshine pressure.

Tl;dr - The term's coverage has broadened quite expansively.

 

[Yung Mei]

Falcon can pillar too except they call that God's ****
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=9YoADn2_CHo#t=218s

EDIT:

No one can surpass the Ultimate John

 

[Juushichi]

That is amazing.

 

[bubbaking]

Player-1, the Diddy player?

 

[JediKnightTemplar]

I'm calling troll, though a rather glorious one. How can you SD at 0 four times and almost win? You'd have to be playing with at least 5 stocks. I'm just picturing this guy holding his laptop, playing one handed with a wavebird while walking his dog. The opponent would have to just sit there half the time for him to even have half a chance.

 

[Kink-Link5]

Sleep is so healthy and refreshing. And underrated too.
I think I did it once last Friday, and trust me: it works.

You're probably asking youself: how can you try this... sleep. Well, it is easy as not attending this thread at 6 AM, and temporarily not being on the computer all together. The rest will follow suit. And the best part: It's Absolutely Free!

But don't just just listen to me, TRY SLEEP TODAY

Did you decide if you could come to Des Moines on the 15th? The more turnout the better.

 

[Sneak8288]

that ultimate john is amazing

 

[Stunts]

Did you decide if you could come to Des Moines on the 15th? The more turnout the better.

After trying to push myself to drive 20 hrs. from staying with my family in Memphis, I've realized that there is no way I can possibly make this one. Shame I can't play against someone of the tournament level

Maybe next time

 

[leafbarrett]

Okay, I saw that the PM developers already gave hybrid airdodges a try, but have they considered just not making airdodges put you into special fall, while still only allowing a single air dodge? Probably the single most frustrating thing I've found thus far is when you try to ground tech, but slide off the edge and do an airdodge, which instantly dooms you to death because you can't grab the edge straight out of an airdodge and can't do anything else.

 

[spyaxel]

Okay, I saw that the PM developers already gave hybrid airdodges a try, but have they considered just not making airdodges put you into special fall, while still only allowing a single air dodge? Probably the single most frustrating thing I've found thus far is when you try to ground tech, but slide off the edge and do an airdodge, which instantly dooms you to death because you can't grab the edge straight out of an airdodge and can't do anything else.

But air dodge is full click, while teching is half click. So you shouldn't be doing that if you were trying to tech.

 

[leafbarrett]

It might help to mention that my controller's shoulder buttons don't read partial input very well. It's either full or nothing. Not to mention that still screws over anyone not using a Gamecube controller, does it not?

 

[Rikana]

Not much hope for you then, leafbarrett. It'll be easier for you to learn the new technique with a GC controller instead. But even so, people who use the GC controller still encounter this problem due to the way they press.

 

[standardtoaster]

But air dodge is full click, while teching is half click. So you shouldn't be doing that if you were trying to tech.

Both teching and air dodging are full click.

 

[Oro?!]

Toast/Monk don't enter PM tourney why. : /

 

[`dazrin]

Cuz they be spoiled from dat 2.5