Jonny Westside
S4mus Fiend
lmao I love it.
Z-axis.
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Project M Social Thread
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Kink-Link5
Smash Hero
The difference being the ability to react to 18 frames and not being able to react to 18 frames.
Life
Smash Hero
When 2.5 is released and I get the chance to download it, I'll be switching to wifi safe since the full version's features aren't important enough to sacrifice replays and wifi IMO (but I'm far from a Melee purist)
OmegaMuffin
Smash Journeyman
Project M demo 2.5 info leak:
The demo is actually demo 2.495. The logo, however was too tedious to make, so they just made it 2.5
Also, hyped for the weekend! I want my tiny turtle.
The demo is actually demo 2.495. The logo, however was too tedious to make, so they just made it 2.5
Also, hyped for the weekend! I want my tiny turtle.
Onomanic
Heaven Piercer
Spoiler alert: Meta Knight now has bubbles.
`dazrin
Smash Champion
Sorry for the late reply, but I was talking about Rusty Shacklefurd as being the great Ivysaur player I mentioned
Lol, I thought this post was something I should be concerned about for a sec.
And no, it's a full 0.4 more ProjectM than the last version
SpiderMad
Smash Master
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You guys did a great job with Ivy's victory taunt
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqGb7uARI6o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqGb7uARI6o
leelue
Smash Lord
EDIT super late
Daze, i'm gonna have to see vids of this guy that are him playing well
Daze, i'm gonna have to see vids of this guy that are him playing well
Mr.Jackpot
Smash Lord
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emRt9KKSHjY
Something looks better about Marth but I can't tell what it is specifically :\
Something looks better about Marth but I can't tell what it is specifically :\
Jonny Westside
S4mus Fiend
Yo, I was wondering if every character will eventually star in their own demo video like Bowser, Lucario, Charizard, and Ivysaur. Would be nice if this was in the works as you're reading this. It would make it a lot easier to convince some hardcore brawlers into trying Project M (which I've been doing) and therefore increase the PM scene.
leelue
Smash Lord
think he's right about more demo vids
metroid1117
Smash Master
Speaking of Charizard, I hope he doesn't get changed that much in 2.5; I feel like people haven't been giving him a fair chance and he still has a lot of things that haven't been explored yet. Dash-canceled jab, for example, is amazing for rushing down opponents but no one really does it (since I have my C/stick set to Attack, I input dash -> crouch -> C-stick diagonal). The only things he he really needs are (1) a bigger edge grab hitbox on his up+b and (2) patching/adjusting of existing hitboxes. Maaaaybe he should also get the ability to B-reverse his glide so he doesn't have to use a jump to turn around. I think other tweaks should be as conservative as possible, but that's just my two cents.
Kink-Link5
Smash Hero
I'd rather have Charizard be as good a character as he can be, rather than just barely acceptable, myself. A good 2/3rds of the Demo2.1 cast could stand direct buffs + some tweaks, and Charizard is certainly no exception.
Yeah, 2/3rds actually sounds about right. Just about 9 of 29 characters seem really genuinely solid and are fine getting no changes for the time being.
Yeah, 2/3rds actually sounds about right. Just about 9 of 29 characters seem really genuinely solid and are fine getting no changes for the time being.
Fly_Amanita
Master of Caribou
Nah, that was ROB. We decided he wasn't enough like Quote and gave him the bubbler.
stingers
Smash Obsessed
Dash cancelled jab is really hard with normal controls x.x but aside from that the thing is that you have to space it at max range to make it safe, which makes it harder to combo off of except at specific %s. as a punish its pretty godlike, but difficult and he has multiple effective punishes. overall I don't think its AMAZING but its pretty cool. why do you think it's so good?
that would be AMAZING
Archangel
Smash Hero
Stevo
Smash Champion
Small suggestion:
What do you think of making Lucas' neutral b charge as long as you don't press shield instead of as long as you keep holding down the b button ? It felt pretty unintuitive at first and I still sometimes forget I have to keep holding b and only charge for a few frames which does nothing and looks pretty strange.
That's also how most other charge moves work O:
This is totally not a buff/nerf request but only for the feel of the game so I hope it's okay to ask something like this
What do you think of making Lucas' neutral b charge as long as you don't press shield instead of as long as you keep holding down the b button ? It felt pretty unintuitive at first and I still sometimes forget I have to keep holding b and only charge for a few frames which does nothing and looks pretty strange.
That's also how most other charge moves work O:
This is totally not a buff/nerf request but only for the feel of the game so I hope it's okay to ask something like this
OmegaMuffin
Smash Journeyman
GET HYPE FOR THE BUBBLER. Make sure he gets a hat too
Why are we not speculating which characters are coming next? I think Metaknight, Olimar and only one Ice Climber
Pseudomaniac
Smash Journeyman
Why do you say that? Honestly, after playing since the release of Demo 2, I can say most of the cast seems fairly balanced. I think the PMBR should focus on being as conservative as possible with tweaking the existing cast, as doing too much could result in the entire balance being thrown off. Now, I do agree some characters need buffs, but not that many (Pikachu, G&W, Ness, Wario, ROB, Charizard), and I don't think any characters need nerfed. Most of the effort in this patch, IMO, should be focused on then new characters and preserving the fantastic balance of Demo 2.1
DrinkingFood
Smash Hero
Pikachu needs buffs? Why don't people just learn to be amazing with QAC?
Life
Smash Hero
Gotta get more Brawlchus in here. QAC was a big deal for them, and now you can WD out of it...
Kink-Link5
Smash Hero
Pikachu's actually one of the ones that's pretty fine to me.
Like
Fox, Falco, Peach, Pit, Mario, Sheik, Link, Jigglypuff are all really really solid.
And then Lucas and Pikachu are pretty solid. Pikachu could really stand to get Pichu's better attributes though.
Like
Fox, Falco, Peach, Pit, Mario, Sheik, Link, Jigglypuff are all really really solid.
And then Lucas and Pikachu are pretty solid. Pikachu could really stand to get Pichu's better attributes though.
I was only able to watch some of prof's stream and was wondering if anyone can give a little more detail on the lucario changes. I really couldnt distinguish too much because of lag on my end.
Dash attack definitely seemed slower and not to travel as far. DownB seemed to have a little more startup. I dont know if its just me but sideb seemed waaaaay slower, that or they ran into the grab hitbox really late after activation. I want to say fair looked like it hit at a a higher angle but I dont know how much DI had to do with that.
Dash attack definitely seemed slower and not to travel as far. DownB seemed to have a little more startup. I dont know if its just me but sideb seemed waaaaay slower, that or they ran into the grab hitbox really late after activation. I want to say fair looked like it hit at a a higher angle but I dont know how much DI had to do with that.
JOE!
Smash Hero
This has bugged me too.. why not do what you guys did with Doc/Mario, TL/YL/N64L with Pika, since Pichu isn't really likely to be included?
Also, suggestion for seed bomb:
After watching a bunch of streams, it seems like it really isn't threatening at all in the air. Would it be possible to have it live up to it's "bomb" nature and have it explode if an enemy attacks it?
metroid1117
Smash Master
Even at 0%, jab is strong enough that it sends almost all characters into tumble, forcing them to tech if they aren't super floaty. From there, you can tech-chase with DSmash all day. At low %s, when opponents DI up instead of DI'ing out to avoid getting DSmash tech-chased, you can jab again, which usually sets up for shffl'd NAir depending on floatiness (which is typically bad if they're on the ground and can crouch-cancel it, but they're in the air in this scenario). At higher %s, jab puts them into the air for combos and you can use USmash to beat out aerial descents (when properly timed, it even beats out Falco's DAir). In general, jab is a great juggle-starter, anti-air, covers a lot of range in front of him, and is pretty fast when considering it's uses (it comes out on frame 5, according to Rude's thread). Coupled with Charizard's running speed (4th fastest run in the game), dash-canceled jab is an extremely dangerous option. Depending on DI, floatiness, and %, you can even combo dash-canceled jabs into each other.
stingers
Smash Obsessed
the thing about his low% juggle starts like dsmash and jab is they're far more likely to set up tech scenarios, since they have relatively low bkb they don't break CCs at all, or even ground techs. Your opponent has to mess up for you to actually be able to start a juggle off a low % jab. The move does set up a decent tech chase though since it has such little end lag. thats why i see it as a punish option moreso
thats crazy zard has 4th fastest run, I had no idea o.O it did seem quite fast but...damn.
thats crazy zard has 4th fastest run, I had no idea o.O it did seem quite fast but...damn.
DrinkingFood
Smash Hero
He'll probably be lower on that list once more characters are released. MK will probs be up there, I remember him being fast in brawl.
Stevo
Smash Champion
Charizard doesn't run
he hunts
he hunts
Revven
FrankerZ
We can't really because his changes, like everyone else, aren't finalized. His move set as a whole has been tweaked in small ways we can't get into right now.
JOE!
Smash Hero
metroid1117
Smash Master
From my experience, CC'ing a DSmash puts the opponent either in a missed-tech position or they get set up but not quite as high as without CC'ing. I haven't specifically tested or notably experienced CC'd jabs though.
9Kplus1
Smash Master
To be fair, Pikachu's smaller size and buffed Smashes are reminiscent of the better parts of Pichu. You could call Pikachu:M a hybrid of Pichu and Pikachu -- PiPikachu!
Jonny Westside
S4mus Fiend
According to JCaesar (He said this on his Wednesday Legion stream iirc) Charizard got a few good tweeks in the upcoming demo release. He noted that mobility was the prime attribute that was boosted for Charizard. He no longer goes into special fall after cancelling his glide with a jump, it functions like Pit's glide mechanics now (not entirely, just the cancellation part). There's also been a change to his grounded Down B which now enables Charizard to enter glide right out of it (once again appealing to his new mobility).Speaking of Charizard, I hope he doesn't get changed that much in 2.5; I feel like people haven't been giving him a fair chance and he still has a lot of things that haven't been explored yet. Dash-canceled jab, for example, is amazing for rushing down opponents but no one really does it (since I have my C/stick set to Attack, I input dash -> crouch -> C-stick diagonal). The only things he he really needs are (1) a bigger edge grab hitbox on his up+b and (2) patching/adjusting of existing hitboxes. Maaaaybe he should also get the ability to B-reverse his glide so he doesn't have to use a jump to turn around. I think other tweaks should be as conservative as possible, but that's just my two cents.
B reversing has been introduced to glide as well, I think it was rather stupid for Charizard to only have 2 jumps and be forced to sacrifice one just so he can turn around, so this glide tweek definitely helps immensely.
I'm sure there's like one or two more changes I'm missing, but I think Charizard really needed that mobility boost above everything else.
JCaesar
Smash Hero
I did not confirm any specific Zard changed, just that he got some. I don't even know any specifics as I am not involved in his development nor do I play him.
Additionally, Zard's dsmash (and any move that spikes on the ground) cannot be CCed.
Additionally, Zard's dsmash (and any move that spikes on the ground) cannot be CCed.
Kizzu-kun
Smash Journeyman
I'll be streaming demo 2.5 with Walk shortly until around 6PM EST
http://www.twitch.tv/kizzukun
http://www.twitch.tv/kizzukun
Fire!
Smash Champion
Posted some Project M on a pretty big gaming channel to see what people thought. I was trying to make the game look appealing to casual players and it looked like most of them liked it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViyLmcEeRQI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViyLmcEeRQI
Archangel
Smash Hero
This stream is live now.
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