Project M Social Thread

[iLink]

I don't know how much her bulb attacks heal to make a statement on that. From what I saw, synthesis and pummel weren't 2gud.

Although the fact that she can camp pretty hardcore on pokemon stadium was pretty hilarious. Everyone needs to ban that against Ivysaur for sure lol.

 

[Spoon~]

meanwhile ness and lucas are using attacks they don't even learn

yeah, this x1000

Would you guys rather have an Ivysaur that fires her lazor, or no Ivysaur at all?

 

[rjgbadger]

you should change solarbeam to hyper beam to make it even less canon

 

[Demon-oni]

It's like 5 or 6% for uair/dair, and 10% for usmash. Also at low percents uair can combo into itself. I saw ivy go from about 50% to 20%.

I love how bair, ivy's previously only good move, was buffed to hit ridiculously horizontal.

Also, they already fixed the animation to shoot out of her bulb. Chill bros. Chill.

 

[iLink]

I really hope bair can be CC'd.

 

[GHNeko]

Just gonna chime in and say, the most I've healed in a match with Ivy, is 94%, and this is with me FOCUSING on healing set ups and silly pummel grab break regrab shenanigans that shouldnt of worked, but caught players off guard due to grab range. I also didn't win all matches with that style.

Take it with a grain of salt.

 

[Rikana]

I'd much rather take it with greek seasoning.

What do you guys think of Ivy's new Solar Beam? :D Isn't SDoom awesome?

 

[Oracle]

shoopin da woop is pretty cool

 

[Rikana]

You didn't see the new animation? He shoots from the bulb now.

 

[UltiMario]

You didn't see the new animation? He shoots from the bulb now.

Really?
Glorious day.

 

[DrinkingFood]

You didn't see the new animation? He shoots from the bulb now.

That's too bad. I was really looking forward to firin' mah lazer.
I guess chargin' mah lazer will have to do, but I'll never get to fire it...

 

[trash?]

You will never win.

I think the healing effect is... balanced enough. I mean, it's not much to sneeze at, but it still makes its presence known enough to be a bit annoying for the opponent, which seems like a lot of how ivysaur plays.

Now I'm curious: was it intentional for this to have similarities to how most "big" grass pokemon work? I'm not too big on pokemon, but I know enough about it competitively that people love their sort of keepaway spore-everything grass pokemon that have just enough tools to justify their lower defense.

 

[Kink-Link5]

All this Ivy nonsense is incredibly dull.

What is really important is Wario's new victory pose.

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Grass Pokemon tend to have above average stats in everything, except for an absurdly low speed stat that gets them wrecked unless they serve an equally absurdly specific role or are beefy/******** like that Steel Grass UFO thing.

 

[GHNeko]

I think Ivy can be played pretty aggressively with a combination of aggressive play and healing.

Like a weed.

 

[`dazrin]

Yeah, Sdo0m is pretty cool.

 

[Juushichi]

Sdo0m is the homie.

 

[Stevo]

RIP shoopdawhoopysaur

 

[TheReflexWonder]

I think Ivy can be played pretty aggressively with a combination of aggressive play and healing.

Like a weed.

Nah. Not enough power or safety behind either of those for it to be considered especially useful by itself. I think she's pretty much gonna have to be played as a dedicated zoning character to get a lot of mileage out of her, getting healing out of stray combos or Synthesis. We'll see what happens when 2.5 comes out and people start playing around with her, but I'm pretty sure I'm going to be a better Ivysaur than all of you.

 

[Ishiey]

^ Ivysaur ditto MM at APEX? :3

 

[TheReflexWonder]

If I go, sure. I'd be happy to exert my future dominance.

 

[9Kplus1]

Now I'm curious: was it intentional for this to have similarities to how most "big" grass pokemon work? I'm not too big on pokemon, but I know enough about it competitively that people love their sort of keepaway spore-everything grass pokemon that have just enough tools to justify their lower defense.

What? I'm 100% sure that you're referring only to Breloom (who plays nothing like Ivysaur:M) because all other usable Grass-types that can use spore-based moves to great effect have respectable defenses; I mean, Venusaur's bulk + Sleep Powder is pretty much the sole reason behind why it isn't totally outclassed by Victreebel. Hell, even Jumpluff can tank a couple of hits before throwing in the towel.

also, R.I.P ShoopDaWhoopySaur =(

 

[GHNeko]

Nah. Not enough power or safety behind either of those for it to be considered especially useful by itself. I think she's pretty much gonna have to be played as a dedicated zoning character to get a lot of mileage out of her, getting healing out of stray combos or Synthesis. We'll see what happens when 2.5 comes out and people start playing around with her, but I'm pretty sure I'm going to be a better Ivysaur than all of you.

Aggressive zoning. not aggressive rushdown <3

 

[Ishiey]

If I go, sure. I'd be happy to exert my future dominance.

Psh.

PSH.

I don't know how to trashtalk. We'll see about that though.

On topic: why aren't people dair camping with Ivysaur yet?

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Wario had got some changes? Just heard from the P:M-forum:

- He has a new throw based on Wario Land? Does he though keep his swinging F-throw from before (just changed to B-Throw?)

- New animations? (I've seen the running animation)

Also Pit got nerfed? (-ó_ò-);;

 

[TheReflexWonder]

On topic: why aren't people dair camping with Ivysaur yet?

It loses to a lot of things. It's not nearly as large as it was in Brawl.

It has its place for misdirection and hard reads, but it isn't really a safe option as far as a go-to spacing move.

Wario had got some changes? Just heard from the P:M-forum:

- He has a new throw based on Wario Land? Does he though keep his swinging F-throw from before (just changed to B-Throw?)

- New animations? (I've seen the running animation)

His F-Throw can be a quick, weak throw or a "charged" throw that functions the same way as his old F-Throw did. His swinging animation is completely gone now.

He has new walk/run animations, yeah. Maybe more.

 

[`dazrin]

Pit has gotten some redesign tweaks that buff his combo/ kill potential in exchange for a more tolerable recovery.

Wario's fthrow is now a "football-style" throw that is chargable, and has a tip-toe walking animation and a Wario World-style running animation.

Twitch.tv/dazee_/videos
Twitch.tv/Jcaesar/videos
Twitch.tv/VGbootgamp/videos

Check out the above links to re-watch Project M Demo 2.5 preview streams to check out those tweaks and more in action and stay tuned on smashmods for more updates.

 

[9Kplus1]

- He has a new throw based on Wario Land? Does he though keep his swinging F-throw from before (just changed to B-Throw?)

His Fthrow is pretty much his grab -> charge throw in the games; the longer A is held, the lower the angle will be. Also, last I saw, Bthrow is still the *** bounce.

- New animations? (I've seen the running animation)

Wario takes a brisk walk when he dashes now. Yeah, it doesn't make sense, but everyone has a boner for it apparently, so w/e.

Also Pit got nerfed? (-ó_ò-);;

That was just a unsupported assumption. Pit's "nerfs" aren't set in stone, anyway; everything we've seen so far is unstable and still subject to change.

edit: effin dirty ninjas

 

[GunBlaze]

Wario had got some changes? Just heard from the P:M-forum:

- He has a new throw based on Wario Land? Does he though keep his swinging F-throw from before (just changed to B-Throw?)

- New animations? (I've seen the running animation)

Also Pit got nerfed? (-ó_ò-);;

1. From Shake It!, to be specific. Dunno 'bout B-Throw though.

2. So far, new running animation, and F-Tilt can be held.

3. One of his glides was taken out, but attack-wise, no sure.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

B-Throw could at least the swing-ding throw that was F-Throw before. (-l´l-); I dunno but I prefer it more over the odd *** bounce throw.

And Pit's glide has been taken out?

EDIT: Oh, saw it now. Though I wonder, what does compensate to that? It kinda takes bit of his air comboing away since he has now only one glide in air.

 

[GHNeko]

Psh.

PSH.

I don't know how to trashtalk. We'll see about that though.

On topic: why aren't people dair camping with Ivysaur yet?

Because it's not really that good?

 

[Ishiey]

It loses to a lot of things. It's not nearly as large as it was in Brawl.

It has its place for misdirection and hard reads, but it isn't really a safe option as far as a go-to spacing move.

The extra mobility is great for spacing fair/bair afterwards though, and added shieldstun helps safety on shield because this is P:M. Falling nair is quick and can stuff some OoS options too. I really recommend that people try it out a bit, it applies good pressure imo. And more importantly, charges downB :3

 

[GHNeko]

Only works on sweetspot and successful hit. Not on block iirc.

 

[Ishiey]

Yeah, I don't mean it charges on shield, but that when you hit the opponent it'll charge. You miss 100% of the charging opportunities you don't take by using a bulb attack, essentially (note: not saying spam dair lol)

And sweetspot dair on hit vs grounded opponents goes into uair, which is great because of Ivy's AA options.

 

[TheReflexWonder]

D-Air on shield is not safe on shield; not even close. Ivysaur just doesn't move nearly as quickly in the air as other characters, so it's still a generally bad place for her to be.

 

[GHNeko]

It'd be silly if Dair was safe on shield, so it's kinda easy to punish it OOS.

 

[TheReflexWonder]

It'd be silly if Dair was safe on shield, so it's kinda easy to punish it OOS.

Dashdancing and wavedash mobility would make it easily punishable on whiff.

 

[GimR]

has anyone streamed ivysaur yet?

 

[Revven]

Yes, Daze did.

 

[Life]

I'm thinking a style of Ivy where, if you know you don't have a guaranteed followup (eg. you juuust missed a KO and your opponent is recovering or falling back down, or you just knocked them a bit too far to keep up a combo), you get a couple percent off Synthesis instead. You have time, don't need to pressure them immediately.

What would be funny would be if Synthesis cancelled out of things LOL.

Chargeable Seed Bomb is the only change I think would make sense, if it isn't already.

 

[GHNeko]

Yo.

who needs follow ups with Ivy. I'll just hit you away and heal, giving me more chances to hit you some more.

It's a pretty interesting style and I'm actually excited to see how far people can take that.