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Project M Social Thread
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Wavebuster
Smash Journeyman
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...only seems like a lot until you realize they don't change her style or level of dominance when it really counts. If she had a normal double jump like in the early phases of P:M or a much faster run speed, that would actually break her style and cause matchup skew.
She does not have improved item plucks, now that I noticed that being mentioned.
Kink-Link5
Smash Hero
I guess beamsword just looked bigger to me for other reasons than that it is then.
Wavebuster
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For some reason it sounded like you meant the rate of item plucks, which is unchanged.
Bob-ombs blow up in your hand, either by timer or by getting hit without actually letting go of the bomb. Whether you think that's "better" is largely subjective.
Bob-ombs blow up in your hand, either by timer or by getting hit without actually letting go of the bomb. Whether you think that's "better" is largely subjective.
I'm a noob on peach but, can she still do this in project m?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZW7_JJ12fE
I know she can pull out a turnip while running off a ledge or platform and totally cancel the animation entirely.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZW7_JJ12fE
I know she can pull out a turnip while running off a ledge or platform and totally cancel the animation entirely.
9Kplus1
Smash Master
I've tested all of Peach's vBrawl techs into the ground, and she definitely cannot bonewalk / free-pull.
You mean in comparison to Melee? Pretty sure thats just brawl's beamsword being bigger.
metroid1117
Smash Master
Hey, so serious question/inquiry - I posted this thread on SmashMods about problems with the "Attack" C-stick setting, but no one has responded yet. Can someone look into these issues?
Also, Raynotac said these things as well:metroid1117 said:
Raynotac said:
`dazrin
Smash Champion
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=14847303#post14847303
Mith5/ PMP2 results if anyone cares lol
Top 4 in singles PM were kind of silly on the account that everyone was tired and Rusty didn't feel like playing seriously so he convinced his opponents (Yakal and Meta) to play ganon dittos/ zard dittos on the jankiest stages. (Pirateship, norfair, frigate orpheon, just to name a few)
So yeah, Rusty, Meta and Yakal could've been in any order. But Yakal probably would've won the whole thing if he wasn't burned out from taking 2nd in Melee.
And yes, JC, I'll put this up on Smashmods as well.
Mith5/ PMP2 results if anyone cares lol
Top 4 in singles PM were kind of silly on the account that everyone was tired and Rusty didn't feel like playing seriously so he convinced his opponents (Yakal and Meta) to play ganon dittos/ zard dittos on the jankiest stages. (Pirateship, norfair, frigate orpheon, just to name a few)
So yeah, Rusty, Meta and Yakal could've been in any order. But Yakal probably would've won the whole thing if he wasn't burned out from taking 2nd in Melee.
And yes, JC, I'll put this up on Smashmods as well.
Attack stick not working for up/down is one of the reasons our resident DFW Brawl Ike player hasn't joined in on PM yet =/
Link is broken good sir
I clicked on that link expecting Link winning a tournament. I was disappointed :/.
Get baited lol
i'm glad i didn't click the link, as i was expecting the same.
9Kplus1
Smash Master
lmao Hylian
metroid1117
Smash Master
I'm pretty sure that Daze meant to link this thread (which doesn't have Link winning a tournament).
What features of the PM attack stick does he dislike? I only use it for C-sticked NAirs, so the changes to the ground C-stick didn't bother me.
Hes uses attack stick pretty much exclusively for up/down tilts. Makes stuff like walking uptilts easier.
MonkUnit
Project M Back Roomer
Daze uploaded Project M singles friendlies with Mang0, Chillindude829, and Meta from FC Legacy
Standardtoaster also uploaded Melee FC Legacy Project M singles.
Standardtoaster also uploaded Melee FC Legacy Project M singles.
I've been watching videos and playing the demo and while I think it's awesome, I wanted to give some thoughts. I'm not really that great of a player so I could be wrong but some of this might be worth considering.
For Link, he seems pretty good but I miss his old arrow angle. I know that the new arrow angle was probably chosen just to make it more useful but I and another person I play with would like a non-held tap at least to go at the same angle. We both had uses for that in Melee and miss it. His bair connecting better I think would be cool.
I've seen some discussion about Marth and I think he is probably worse in the context of this game (assuming he works just like Melee and there isn't something I'm/we're missing). I think he's still a fine character but that some other tools/tricks and or minor buffs would be nice. I thought about something like the ability to reverse dancing blade in some way, but I don't really know that that would mean much--I just thought it might be cool.
As for Ike, I think it will have a lot to do with specific matchups as to how he fares but I think his ability to control space and his potential in general with tricks out of QD will only get better. I've seen a lot of swatting people around and I wouldn't mind if his tilts were slower so that he had to commit to them more, not to mention maybe a slightly slower fair. I think his recovery maybe should be adjusted in some way as well maybe in his delay until he goes up towards his sword for upb or something to that effect. I think that changes like these would make the character a more focused character that would have to think more and commit more to what he's doing. I do like how the character was changed and QD is awesome.
Zelda might have a tad to much defense on her teleporting, but I'm not sure.
I don't really have anything for any of the other characters at the moment. One thing I was wondering is if roll/dodge buffering could be down with a more extreme motion (like a smash) so that it's easier to steer the shield (it seems easier to get poked in general) and just not do it on accident as much for the crappier player (as well as perhaps tightening up the window). I think it would just feel better for everyone.
As for crouch canceling, I wonder if there be an experiment with adding 2 or so frames of stun to the grounded croucher and see if people like that. Maybe I'm totally off on this stuff, I don't know.
For Link, he seems pretty good but I miss his old arrow angle. I know that the new arrow angle was probably chosen just to make it more useful but I and another person I play with would like a non-held tap at least to go at the same angle. We both had uses for that in Melee and miss it. His bair connecting better I think would be cool.
I've seen some discussion about Marth and I think he is probably worse in the context of this game (assuming he works just like Melee and there isn't something I'm/we're missing). I think he's still a fine character but that some other tools/tricks and or minor buffs would be nice. I thought about something like the ability to reverse dancing blade in some way, but I don't really know that that would mean much--I just thought it might be cool.
As for Ike, I think it will have a lot to do with specific matchups as to how he fares but I think his ability to control space and his potential in general with tricks out of QD will only get better. I've seen a lot of swatting people around and I wouldn't mind if his tilts were slower so that he had to commit to them more, not to mention maybe a slightly slower fair. I think his recovery maybe should be adjusted in some way as well maybe in his delay until he goes up towards his sword for upb or something to that effect. I think that changes like these would make the character a more focused character that would have to think more and commit more to what he's doing. I do like how the character was changed and QD is awesome.
Zelda might have a tad to much defense on her teleporting, but I'm not sure.
I don't really have anything for any of the other characters at the moment. One thing I was wondering is if roll/dodge buffering could be down with a more extreme motion (like a smash) so that it's easier to steer the shield (it seems easier to get poked in general) and just not do it on accident as much for the crappier player (as well as perhaps tightening up the window). I think it would just feel better for everyone.
As for crouch canceling, I wonder if there be an experiment with adding 2 or so frames of stun to the grounded croucher and see if people like that. Maybe I'm totally off on this stuff, I don't know.
Divinokage
Smash Legend
I'm not complaining, I said it's an inconsistency in the principle of melee.
But ya, i had fun today, I played like 8-9 hours of P:M. Zard is pretty bad but he has fun combos though, the dragon!!!!
`dazrin
Smash Champion
Fixed my post. Derp.
Thanks Metroid.
And lol THE DARGON.
Dargon iz OP
Thanks Metroid.
And lol THE DARGON.
Dargon iz OP
Divinokage
Smash Legend
Well let's see here, I'm still playing vs ikes even in MTL and I gotta say even though they are lower skilled than me, I still almost lose. That character man... lol. I played vs all 3 spacies, Lucas, Lucario mainly. And I tried Wolf, Charizard, Ike, Falcon, Ganon, Marth, Fox, Falco. Having an easier tech skill barrier for Fox is pretty nice.. because of that I still think he's one of the best. I feel like it's a strong reason why he can be.
Did you ever try rolling away from lucario's sideb?
I'm going to try to see if I can personally test it frame by frame to see if it actually is guaranteed tomorrow.
On that note, can't you still mash out of lucario's sideb before he throws you at low percents?
Thebest1pj
Pinnacle of Projectile Placement.
Yo ilink omgggggggooggogooggogo
DrinkingFood
Smash Hero
Walking is for vBawrlers, here in P:M we DD and WD, among other things. We don't get punished for running, you see...
Divinokage
Smash Legend
Nope we tried, you really can't do anything OOS if Lucario does it properly on shield. He can do a grounded move into side-B and it also connects.
With that said now, Lucario is definitely not broken but he's very good, definitely high tier. We were debating if Ike is better than spacies, I think it can be possible.
MaxThunder
PM Support
tonight i had a weird dream where zard was a good character and i was crushing everyone in a PM tourney with him...
I won GF by beating armada's foot (lolwut?) in monopoly... then o shouted firebreath and threw fire at it...
then i woke up...
I won GF by beating armada's foot (lolwut?) in monopoly... then o shouted firebreath and threw fire at it...
then i woke up...
Wavebuster
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Just wanted to tune in and say that this is incorrect after double checking this. Peach's dash attack hits frames 6-20 just like Melee. If it feels longer for some reason, then you don't remember how good this attack was.
ss118
Smash Master
You need to stay off the spicy food.
Reminds me of a friend's dream where he was having friendlies with Hbox and jiggs just turned into fox and shined falco out of the side-b... and my friend's comment was just "Nice move"
Just compromise and jump everywhere. That's the gold standard.
DrinkingFood
Smash Hero
Seems legit
It was a premonition about the next P:M release.
metroid1117
Smash Master
Actually, Melee does punish for running - you can immediately dash in the opposite direction during in your dash animation (hence dashdancing), but not in your run animation. You'd put yourself in a much worse position if you get caught outside your dashdance range when retreating from someone in Melee, but PM's new techniques such as RAR'ing and pivot grabbing (both of which were borrowed from Brawl) make the above scenario better compared to Melee.
MaxThunder
PM Support
nah that's how mah brain works... i should start writing down my weird dreams or something...
that dream's nothing compared to the one time i thought i was dreaming cause of something i can't remember... and then i woke up and my bed was on fire... so i jumped into the pool, only to remember i don't have a pool... and woke up thinking i was awake... then some guy showed up with marth's sword and ken comboed me out my window...
metroid1117
Smash Master
Yes, but the wavedash animation takes 10 frames (not including the jumpsquat frames) and it's harder to be precise with wavedashes compared to dashdances. Also, in the scenario above where you're running away from the opponent (and can't turn around immediately), you'd still be facing away from them after you wavedash away. It's certainly not a bad option, but it's definitely not the best place to be.Isnt that what wavedashing is for? Granted it isnt too short or really slow.
Also, Mad and I might be streaming today. We'll see how setting it up goes, but if we do stream then we'll post the link in this thread.
standardtoaster
Tubacabra
are you playing offline with him?
Kink-Link5
Smash Hero
Feel free to pick me up on your way, Rat.
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