Kink-Link5
Smash Hero
They can or they can't pass through platforms in Melee?
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What does the pmbr think about making charizard's upb just be a single strong hit? I get people DI'ing out of the attack before the final hit actually connects at the end of combos quite often and usually just ends with charizard being punished.
Oneupsalesman
Smash Journeyman
I wish there was a scene where I lived. :I
KOkingpin
Smash Champion
pretty sure that It is a single hit right now in the latest build.
they cannot.
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Smash Champion
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9Kplus1
Smash Master
Kink-Link5
Smash Hero
Lucas is like a jank version of a spacie yes.
Like, a poverty spacie.
Like, a poverty spacie.
Archangel
Smash Hero
The only thing that Lucas really lacks in comparison to Spacies would be a very good projectile. If he could use his Ice like Falco or even Wolf he'd be better. Then if his UpB was reworked like fox/falco or wolf then yeah he'd be a spacie.
metroid1117
Smash Master
If you're referring to Demo 2.1 as the latest build, it's definitely multi-hit.
I'm surprised to hear that people are managing to DI out of it, I've been hit by it tons of times but never escaped the final hit through SDI. #badplayerproblems
KOkingpin
Smash Champion
Are you sure cause we just tested it. OOS, straight up, and coming from below. One single hit every time we did it.
JediKnightTemplar
Smash Lord
I agree about the projectile, but I'd say he has a very spacie recovery if you ignore the fact you have to hit yourself in midair. Once he gets going I'd say he's as easy to gimp as Falco.
Well, he also lacks the shine.
PSI magnet is cool but not fast enough, shine is on another planet for both speed and the direction of the knockback.
And oos Lucas should rely more on his nair than on his PSI magnet.
Also, his projectile is REALLY good, is just different from the spacies: it's a setup for a ko move (ex: bair) and instead of use it in short hop like the spacies, you should use it the jump cancel of an empty jump or after a PSI magnet if you want to land it in the most efficient way (just slightly above ground level).
Jump-cancel, projectile, PSI Magnet, Z-air, recovery...
Lucas can be REALLY fast but imho his playstyle will be totally different from the spacies (and from all the other chars as well).
imho
pk shine, imo.
metroid1117
Smash Master
OOS? If that's the case, then you might not be getting every single hit since it sounds like you guys are doing it close to the ground. It should be multiple hits linking into a strong hit, dealing 25% if all of the hits connect. An example is here, where Falcon's damage goes from 99% to 124%.
Mr.Pickle
Smash Lord
Thats his glide attack we're talking about his upb.
MaxThunder
PM Support
lool, metroid...
Mr.Pickle
Smash Lord
Lol to be fair to metroid this is where the conversation started, iLink could've been the one that messed up.
LOL crap I should double check what I type.
Sorry metroid I was actually talking about the glide attack
metroid1117
Smash Master
Okay, so I guess my reading comprehension isn't that bad then haha. Still, my bad Mr.Pickle, I should've known something was weird when I thought you were doing down+B OOS.
Single hit glide attack though, what do you guys think? I think it'd be cool, except the current glide attack has a risk/reward of doing glide attack higher so that the strong hit comes out (versus doing it lower to the ground, which is safer, and getting the strong [single] hit if it were changed to what is being proposed).
Single hit glide attack though, what do you guys think? I think it'd be cool, except the current glide attack has a risk/reward of doing glide attack higher so that the strong hit comes out (versus doing it lower to the ground, which is safer, and getting the strong [single] hit if it were changed to what is being proposed).
Kink-Link5
Smash Hero
It's hilarious on FoD.
Trust me.
Trust me.
cannedbread
Smash Lord
dsmash? grounded upb?
Kink-Link5
Smash Hero
I'd add my input on a single hit glair if I could find where it is in BBox accurately. The "GlideAttack" listed in the program doesn't seem to play the animation properly and plays just the final hitbox?
Kink-Link5
Smash Hero
Quickdraw McGraw? I'm down.
It's dsmash
Also I was thinking of doing hitbox threads for a character or two but I'm wondering how outdated they would be at this point and if I should hold off on them a little longer.
Kink-Link5
Smash Hero
Nothing is outdated since this build is going to be around for quite a while, and every piece of information is important to developing each character.
yeah, at the tourney yesterday i got hit by zard's dsmash almost half of fd away from him. that move has a scary range on it : oAlso I thought this was pretty amusing
I should probably try using it a little more
Well I was thinking that but there have been a lot of hints about certain things being updated (ex. zard's utilt). If it isn't too far off, I think I might hold off on it.
Divinokage
Smash Legend
What do you guys think of Lucario? I played vs a really good one yesterday and it felt like I wasn't playing a smash game anymore. Guaranteed grabs from moves should not be possible, all the characters usually don't have that. The more I play it, the more I realize there are a lot of things which veers off what characters should be able to do like a normal smash game. I'm not liking that.
Kink-Link5
Smash Hero
I don't think Fox should get drag combos from a fixed-knockback move or Falcon should get automatic tech reads into any kill move either, but these kind of jank things are what these characters get. Lucario gets automatic grabs, Peach gets absurdly advantageous FC nairs on block, Jigglypuff gets to jump across FD and back throwing out those silly puddy legs with two jumps. All of those seem out of flavour from the rest of the cast to me, but they're still a part of the game.
Divinokage
Smash Legend
Fox and Falcon stuff are things you can avoid with DI and they have to guess, Lucario can do his stuff on confirm which is really weird to me. The things you mentioned are all avoidable. You should always have the option for a counter-attack but with that kind of thing Lucario has, you can't do anything to prevent it and to me it feels wrong.
ELI-mination
Smash Champion
Yo I heard that Fox can press down B and kill someone
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