Project M Social Thread

[Divinokage]

It all depends on their spacing beforehand. If they're all up on you and hit your shield, you probably deserved it. If they're spaced, you can SDI away from the side-b.

Oh really? Then ya I'll just shoot **** all day and not confront the opponent whatsoever because I have perfect spacing and it's not possible to hit my shield, dude cmon man...

 

[Strong Badam]

You're strawmanning now, Kage. Cmon now.

 

[Divinokage]

Definitely not, I'm stating reality. Having a match without any shielding is completely unrealistic.. the situation happens a lot more than you think.

 

[Kink-Link5]

I kind of want to see a video of someone legitimately using Shield DI to avoid Lucario's side-B followup.

Special cancels ignore hitlag, SB.

 

[leelue]

I would too
How practical is that in match?

 

[DMG]

The basic point though is... well why can Lucario do that? Uniqueness is fine, but there's a hint of silliness in it that lingers because it's unique in a powerful way. Lucario's trick is kind of like biting the Golden Apple and being ok. P:M is a wonderful game and has amazing potential, but don't lose sight of balance because of the dazzling instinct to give people powerful tools, even if it's truly unique.

 

[leelue]

Unsurprisingly, I agree with DMGs last statement.
At least on principle. I could be open to dissuasion

 

[Divinokage]

I'm fine with super armor because at least you can counter with Grab or have good spacing to prevent getting hit or something like that, that kind of uniqueness is ok but.. just like you nerfed Ganon's side-B to have guaranteed easy techchases, you should remove something like Lucario's grab too based on the principle you nerfed Ganon's side-B when it landed.. it's the exact same thing.. having a loss of your character's control at any time is BS in a game like Melee.

 

[DrinkingFood]

WAIT WHAT
WHY ARE YU GUYS ARGUING ABOUT LUCARIO
GUYS THIS IS THE IKE THREAD
GO MAKE YOUR OWN "LUCARIO'S BROKEN" THREAD

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[Mr.Pickle]

Hush child, the men are talking.

 

[BJN39]

WAIT WHAT
WHY ARE YU GUYS ARGUING ABOUT LUCARIO
GUYS THIS IS THE IKE THREAD
GO MAKE YOUR OWN "LUCARIO'S BROKEN" THREAD

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Well then, where's the "ZELDA'S BROKEN" thread?

 

[`dazrin]

Zelda isn't thaaat good.

Just annoying if you're blind. Or stupid.

Or blind.

 

[Mr.Pickle]

No zelda is really good, just no one really plays her so she kinda goes unnoticed, but saying she is broken is a stretch.

 

[ELI-mination]

I don't think Zelda is broken...
But I do think that it's extremely boring to play against her.
So I sometimes do stupid **** in the match to keep myself awake.

 

[Kink-Link5]

Complete list of broken characters in Project M:

Fox
Falco
Jigglypuff
Fox's Uair
Ike
Lucario
Fox's Down-B
Zelda
Sonic
Sheik
Lucas
Link
Sheik's Needles
DK's Down B
DK himself
Fox's Bair
Pichi Hime
King Dedede
Toon Link
Link's nair
Peach's D-smash
Mario
Marth
Ike's Fair
Fox's U-throw
Falcon's Dair auto-combos
Falcon's Dash Dance
Sonic's Moon Walk
Falcon himself
Wolf
Pit's Arrows
Pit
Bowser
Ike's Up-B
Ganondorf
Luigi's Side B

 

[ss118]

I just wanted to add my opinion to the Lucario discussion a bit back.

He's a very annoying character to fight against if you only play melee. Trying to get in with weak moves like fighting games usually doesn't work because you can just auto CC any jab and get free punishes off of them, hell even spaced ones you can SDI+CC into them for a grab. Lucario laughs at this and just side-bs you for it, so the correct response is as SB said; SDI. But instead of down and towards, up and away from the weak hits. It means Lucario can throw out more weak, quick moves than any other character in the game to attempt hit confirms and have actual "mix-ups" on shielding opponents. But that's what he was designed to do to make him an original character that wasn't defensive like his brawl variant, so gj.

Still think Wario is the worst character in the game. Falcon also seems kinda bad, and Charizard is looking worse as me+my friends play the game a bit more. Still no opinion on Pit/ Lucas, but Wolf has jumped TREMENDOUSLY on my list of viable characters.

**** Sonic. He shouldn't be allowed in this game. I have yet to play him and I won't really let my friends touch him, but he seems to be a mindless piece of bull**** that does what he wants. And the sad thing is, he might not even be that good. His design should not be allowed in anything resembling melee.

 

[GHNeko]

lol @ someone thinking all of sonic is good and not just his side b.

lmao @ lucario discussion.

 

[ss118]

lol @ someone thinking all of sonic is good and not just his side b.

he might not even be that good.

._.'
10char

 

[Kink-Link5]

I forgot to add Wario, Zard, Game and Watch, Pikachu, Luigi, R.O.B., and Ness to the list of broken things, oops.

 

[GHNeko]

._.'
10char

that wasnt aimed at you.

lol @ someone thinking all of sonic is good and not just his side b.

this was aimed at

Sonic

I know he was joking, but the thought of someone thinking he's overall good and it's not just because of his side b made me laugh.

 

[ss118]

my bad. Sorry. xD

 

[leelue]

And his recovery

 

[DMG]

Press B when someone is offstage

 

[leelue]

It's a trap
Not that easy at all

 

[Divinokage]

Wow I can't even take this seriously.

 

[leelue]

Hm?
10 hms.

 

[CORY]

Wow I can't even take this seriously.

welcome to the pm thread. it's just a step above 4chan in here most of the time with all the trolls.

 

[standardtoaster]

Side B grab would come out in frames of attacks+1, or, by itself on frame 10. When canceled it ignores any current hitlag Lucario is in and goes immediately into the grab on the next frame.

Cancelling into sideB does not skip the startup at all.

Also, cancelling into specials does not skip hitlag. You cannot change actions while in hitlag with lucario.

 

[DrinkingFood]

Cancelling into sideB does not skip the startup at all.

Also, cancelling into specials does not skip hitlag. You cannot change actions while in hitlag with lucario.

That's weird, because just about every member of PMBR who has commented on it has stated the exact opposite.

 

[Revven]

JCz is streaming: http://www.twitch.tv/jcaesar

 

[leelue]

Food I thought so too

 

[9Kplus1]

Wow I can't even take this seriously.

Welcome to my world. It's filled to the brim with bad trolling, rolled eyes, and a large ignore list. Want a drink? It might be a while before the discussion in this thread is worth reading.

 

[JCaesar]

The VGBootcamp guys are here, you should all watch!

FreeGBootcamp

 

[standardtoaster]

It was a misconception by other members. Magus corrected us on it.

 

[`dazrin]

The VGBootcamp guys are here, you should all watch!

FreeGBootcamp

^ soo freegeebootcamp

 

[Spoon~]

Welcome to my world. It's filled to the brim with bad trolling, rolled eyes, and a large ignore list. Want a drink? It might be a while before the discussion in this thread is worth reading.

One of the biggest trolls

 

[Divinokage]

Welcome to my world. It's filled to the brim with bad trolling, rolled eyes, and a large ignore list. Want a drink? It might be a while before the discussion in this thread is worth reading.

Yes please, I'd do that over anything right now. Trolling should be killed, it serves no purpose other than to be annoying and be ****ing stupid.

 

[Kink-Link5]

It was a misconception by other members. Magus corrected us on it.

And the maximum amount of :Vs were had that day.

I suppose JCaesar also lied about Lucario's cancels ignoring hitlag.

 

[cmart]

We were misled by Vanguard iirc

This is how rumors start

 

[JCaesar]

Yeah, Vanguard being the local Lucario main, I assumed he knew.