Project M Social Thread

[cannedbread]

zelda has bad air defense
she'll have a hard time coming down to the ground
i noticed that zelda has good di but it doesn't necessarily stop her from dying from a strong enough vertical sender
still has bad approach options (inb4 farore teleport, she'll end up running into attacks more often than bringing one out)
dins are a comboing/trap setup tool than a camping projectile like falcos lasers so those don't help approaching
watch out for nayrus it's rly good lol
don't get usmashed
zelda had the strongest uair in brawl don't know if it still applies but w/e
i cant think of anything else

 

[Sweet™]

Any tips on Wario edgeguarding? Does his dtilt hitbox cover the ledge?

 

[Jiangjunizzy]

zelda has bad air defense
she'll have a hard time coming down to the ground
i noticed that zelda has good di but it doesn't necessarily stop her from dying from a strong enough vertical sender
still has bad approach options (inb4 farore teleport, she'll end up running into attacks more often than bringing one out)
dins are a comboing/trap setup tool than a camping projectile like falcos lasers so those don't help approaching
watch out for nayrus it's rly good lol
don't get usmashed
zelda had the strongest uair in brawl don't know if it still applies but w/e
i cant think of anything else

haikus are only supposed to be 3 lines

 

[DMG]

Any tips on Wario edgeguarding? Does his dtilt hitbox cover the ledge?

Have balls and edgeguard with Dair

Waft should hit kinda low, use side b from the ground, or just try his horizontal aerials.

 

[xianglongfa]

tier list:

1. Zelda/Sheik :together they're br0kennnnnnnn (dev power!)

2. (split)
-Fox
-Peach(****loadsofbuffs)
-TL
-DK (strong bad is a dev, go ****ing figure)
-Lucario(only for ppl with brawl/sf skill, otherwise low tier)

3. (split)
-Falco (combo game heavily nerfed, many of his matchups got much worse)
-Marth
-Lucas
-Jigglypuff



-
lots of random characters
-


-
charizard
ness

You forgot about Pit LOL

 

[Kink-Link5]

Auto-combos into anything from half way across the stage with arrows seem completely non fraudulent to me.

 

[JediKnightTemplar]

You forgot about Pit LOL

No he didn't. Pit's good but if you can't KO reliably until ~200% you aren't going to be at the top of the list. I'd like to hear why leffen thinks Charizard is so bad though. From my experience and from what I've seen of him Zard seems solid.

 

[Strong Badam]

Zard's solid, it's just that just about every other character is more solid. That's how tier lists are going to go in such a balanced game.

 

[Dingding123]

tier list:

1. Zelda/Sheik :together they're br0kennnnnnnn (dev power!)

2. (split)
-Fox
-Peach(****loadsofbuffs)
-TL
-DK (strong bad is a dev, go ****ing figure)
-Lucario(only for ppl with brawl/sf skill, otherwise low tier)

3. (split)
-Falco (combo game heavily nerfed, many of his matchups got much worse)
-Marth
-Lucas
-Jigglypuff



-
lots of random characters
-


-
charizard
ness

LINK

WHERE IS HE

AND WHY IS TL ABOVE HIM

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFf

 

[cannedbread]

psh all you kids and your reliable one shot kill moves
pit's got kill moves in spades
all of them aerials except glair kill
you just gotta work for it
like going offstage
pit can kill, just not from the center of, say fd

 

[Onomanic]

What's the difference between the Wifi code set and the Non-Wifi code set?

 

[Strong Badam]

it's on
the downloads page

in bold lettering

 

[Onomanic]

it's on
the downloads page

in bold lettering

Thank you.

EDIT: Does that mean you can't buffer aerials with the c-stick?

 

[TheReflexWonder]

Have balls and edgeguard with Dair

Waft should hit kinda low, use side b from the ground, or just try his horizontal aerials.

As DMG said--

F-Air and N-Air have the lowest risk, but it can be difficult to catch some opponents that way if they come from below or above.

You can time a grounded Forward-B to catch characters who don't have much choice in when to Up-B.

Alternatively, you can jump out to BEHIND the person recovering and Forward-B toward the stage so that if you miss, you bounce off the stage and can still recover.

 

[Onomanic]

I was playing a friend the other day and out of no where, he's hating on ROB. We weren't even playing as ROB. Then he randoms into ROB and now ROB is one of his mains.

 

[JCaesar]

ROB da bess

 

[exxilee]

I love Sonic now, i tried him and found a few tricks and special Combos.

 

[TheReflexWonder]

I love Sonic now, i tried him and found a few tricks and special Combos.

What's the difference between a special combo and a normal combo?

 

[MaxThunder]

It's more... special...

 

[TheReflexWonder]

It's more... special...

Dem B moves. I guess Sonic would be more inclined to it than most characters.

 

[Divinokage]

Leffen brings up a good point in that not many people seriously practice this game (the top players, especially) so characters that are easier to play would generally do better because of the lack of general practice going on. Not many people have really *tried* and practiced hard to figure out how to counter Ike yet. Characters like Snake, GAW, and DDD in the early stages of brawl, characters like Sheik and Ganon in the early stages of Melee, and characters like Wesker are all great examples of the point Leffen brings to the table.

I guess you could say that, "Well, most people are just practicing Melee, and the top players mostly just use their Melee mains in PM, so they don't really require a lot of PM practice since the games are similar enough." But it still doesn't detract from the fact that there is still a severe lack of MU experience going on in PM in these early stages of the game. Lots of people (once again, top players, especially) don't even know what a lot of the characters in PM do. In pools, I was talking to Axe quite a bit about project:M and told him he was really good, and he just said "I dunno man, I just play Pikachu. I don't really know anything about anyone in this game. I just play Pikachu "

There's always going to be gaps in knowledge for characters because every region has matchups they will be better at and some that are worse which is why it's up to you to watch videos and do your homework if your matchup knowledge is weak in some area. I think I can understand this process enough where i do not get surprised in tournament, sometimes you just get outplayed. Even after 10 years, there's still gaps in knowledge in Melee as well. The only way this cannot happen anymore is if P:M eventually gets 1k+ people tournaments and that people are really hungry to win and learn everything about the game. (Whotf does this anymore, right?)

I still think a lot of people can refine the Ganon matchup and the Pika matchup but generally at that point in the bracket it becomes more about choices and skill, imo.

 

[metroid1117]

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[JCaesar]

What that's lame...

 

[The_Guide]

I have a request regarding CPU AI. For training mode, it would be awesome if some of the CPU behaviors could be repurposed/edited. For example, the run command could be made so that the computer will use a random direction when deciding DI/tech roll direction. This would be much better than the current avoidant behaviour. On the simpler side, making the jump command force the CPU to, well, jump at the earliest opportunity. As of now, it will only do so if grounded; if it were able to jump in the air, it would be a lot easier to tell if something is a true combo. This could also be added to the run command. Would it be possible to set a condition to jump only when in the air/tumble? It would be awesome if new behavior like this upon exiting hitstun could be added. Perhaps there could be a random chance of the CPU doing nothing, jumping, air dodging, or throwing out a move?

I suppose the main thing out of all of that is having the ability to practice against different types of DI by yourself. Even if the CPU is picking it at random, it would be much better than putting the game on 1/4 speed and using two controllers to test (my current method for when I lack a lab partner).

That said, I love the AI edits y'all have already put into effect. They do act a bit smarter, and I've been noticing that even in training mode, they'll try to exit tumble asap (which is a HUGE improvement over previous iterations). This game's lab could be so much more, though! Any effort put into improving it will be very appreciated by me, and (I'm certain) the community at large.

 

[Life]

^
+1, although I'm aware that characters are the #1 priority, not everyone has people to practice with.

 

[Oneupsalesman]

Pm sfx tier list

s tier
ike
dk

a tier
snake
rob
tink
link

b tier
ness
dedede
lucas
shiek/zelda
ganon

f tier
all pokemon

g tier
everyone else

Ha ha, okay. I guess.

 

[PB&J]

I think most tier list will be generally inaccurate for another 6 months.

 

[Oneupsalesman]

I'm sick of the buff/nerf crap that no one can agree on.

How do you people have friends that know all of the techinical stuff?

I don't even have ANYONE good to play this game with. NO ONE. NO ONE. A few decent friends. And then some want to play Story Mode instead and one of my friends wanted items on one time, if I remember right.


I HAVE NO ONE.

 

[hotdogturtle]

Watching Axe's pool sets with Pikachu really accentuated how weird Pikachu's "squishy" sound effects are. I was almost able to tolerate them in Brawl by getting into the mindset that it was an entirely different character, but seeing Pikachu:M moving around so fast and doing real combos and gimps just makes it sound like serious character with fake sound effects that don't match the moves.

 

[DMG]

I'm sick of the buff/nerf crap that no one can agree on.

How do you people have friends that know all of the techinical stuff?

I don't even have ANYONE good to play this game with. NO ONE. NO ONE. A few decent friends. And then some want to play Story Mode instead and one of my friends wanted items on one time, if I remember right.


I HAVE NO ONE.

Get them on smashboards, have them read and try out stuff. If they don't want to, find new friends. Simple as that.

 

[Onomanic]

Get them on smashboards, have them read and try out stuff. If they don't want to, find new friends. Simple as that.

 

[Crispy4001]

Omnigamer uploaded the final pool matches from FC-Legacy for P:M. The matches that basically were not on the livestream.

Have at them, folks!

Be entertained! Some really good matches in there.

Edit: Also, Peef is streaming: http://www.twitch.tv/peefsmash

Darn, no Vro vs Chad. That combo was too awesome.

 

[Strong Badam]

all of the top 6 RR matches were recorded =)

 

[Divinokage]

It is a pretty funny sound when you heavily damage Pika. lol. More specifically with a Dair.

 

[cannedbread]

if you hit lucas hard enough he sounds like ganon
lucario: rr rr argh rgh AHH AR RAAH RR
charizards tech rolls make me lol
the only word ganon says is death HOW HXC

 

[Cia]

We should all just main Ike.

On the real.

ewwwwww

Ike is ********** tho

I think my wii's laser burned out (lol) but when I get another wii

R.O.B. ALL. DAY.

 

[Onomanic]

Wiis are so cheap now, it's great. On Google I found one used for $50. Though perhaps used for a game like Brawl isn't optimal.

 

[Kink-Link5]

If a person lacks any degree of social skills or the ability to communicate with other humans I suppose.

Aura hit sounds are so obnoxiously loud and crackly it hurts.

 

[DMG]

You could have just enjoyed the picture he posted, but no.

I want Wario to occasionally have the "OH I MISSED" sound if he whiffs.

 

[Kink-Link5]

It's hard to enjoy things that aren't enjoyable