Archangel
Smash Hero
Maybe so. I'll fiddle with the faddle a little bit more. So far I can recount from just from today at least 10 times where I was shield grabbed or grabbed in general in ways that seemed not legit.
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Project M Social Thread
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standardtoaster
Tubacabra
Shieldstun is exactly the same as melee. Shield sizes, pushback, etc are not. Don't forget about this.
Stevo
Smash Champion
wait... so I have to unlock stages!?!?!??!
UUUUHHHGHGGGGG
Green Greens Fight as Kirby in VS mode 20 times
um.......so I have to play brawl? I DON"T REMEMBER AGREEING TO THIS
UUUUHHHGHGGGGG
Green Greens Fight as Kirby in VS mode 20 times
um.......so I have to play brawl? I DON"T REMEMBER AGREEING TO THIS
Dingding123
Smash Journeyman
Really? It's the other way around for me braggins; I love D3 but think he isn't viable.
He's got grabs, ftilt, bair, fair and grabs. That's it. Everything else is between meh and subpar. His jabs are pretty good now but there are plenty of situations where you could just try to grab instead of jab and be just as (or even more, if they're blocking) productive.
The moves that feel the most lacking to me:
Dsmash - It doesn't come out that quickly and, ironically, isn't that good at hitting people on the ground. I tried dsmashing a shiek as she was lying down and it went right over her lol.
Nair - If it's always going to have such a cruddy hitbox, it should get the boozer treatment or something and have some nifty super armour.
Utilt - Probably just because I miss its ridiculous KB and damage from barlw
Wavedash - lol
As for his specials, his Jet Hammer has weaksauce armor and little shield stun - intentional I know, but it just seems lackluster to me. His upB really needed that super armour or something - anything - he's so easy to edgeguard without it. I've got no issues with his sideB but it'd be awesome if you could chunk waddle dees diagonally upward as well as straight like in Brawl- or whatever other mod I saw it in. Inhale is inhale.
It's not that I'm disappointed with your work so far, guys. I love this game and all of these characters. But I'd love to see some buffs later on for this guy. He's better than a one-trick pony, but not a few-trick pony.
He's got grabs, ftilt, bair, fair and grabs. That's it. Everything else is between meh and subpar. His jabs are pretty good now but there are plenty of situations where you could just try to grab instead of jab and be just as (or even more, if they're blocking) productive.
The moves that feel the most lacking to me:
Dsmash - It doesn't come out that quickly and, ironically, isn't that good at hitting people on the ground. I tried dsmashing a shiek as she was lying down and it went right over her lol.
Nair - If it's always going to have such a cruddy hitbox, it should get the boozer treatment or something and have some nifty super armour.
Utilt - Probably just because I miss its ridiculous KB and damage from barlw
Wavedash - lol
As for his specials, his Jet Hammer has weaksauce armor and little shield stun - intentional I know, but it just seems lackluster to me. His upB really needed that super armour or something - anything - he's so easy to edgeguard without it. I've got no issues with his sideB but it'd be awesome if you could chunk waddle dees diagonally upward as well as straight like in Brawl- or whatever other mod I saw it in. Inhale is inhale.
It's not that I'm disappointed with your work so far, guys. I love this game and all of these characters. But I'd love to see some buffs later on for this guy. He's better than a one-trick pony, but not a few-trick pony.
haha
people think wolf's blaster isn't amazing because it is slow
it is amazing BECAUSE it is slow
people think wolf's blaster isn't amazing because it is slow
it is amazing BECAUSE it is slow
Grim Tuesday
Smash Legend
Not the projectile itself, the move
start-up and stuff
does it make you feel
smart and condescending
if you talk like this?
Ha
Because I'm a melee player who played Brawl for a while until I couldn't take it anymore... I don't want to feel like I'm playing Brawl because I pretty much can't stand it. I played DDD even though he was boring and shallow(even by Brawl standards) because I just like him for some reason(probably the pimp robe). I was pumped about him being in demo 2 because I was hoping I would get to play an interesting melee version of The King. But he is just Brawl DDD that can approach some now just because its melee. It is disappointing and surprising because getting away from Brawl is such a big part of Project M. I understand if he was meant to be a tribute to Brawl and a possible route to an easy transition for Brawl players. It is still disappointing that the character I wanted to play the most was the one chosen to serve this purpose. I didn't except him to be fast or super technical or anything because he is a big slow penguin but I expected him to have something that made him more interesting or feel more like a melee character (some significant moveset changes or a good wd or something). Is it not reasonable to be disappointed that a new character I was super excited about is pretty much exactly the same as his brawl incarnation when every other brawl newcomer was changed fairly significantly?
Dingding123
Smash Journeyman
Normal sentences ending with periods arguably sound more condescending, to me at least
That's why I like talking like this too
hotdogturtle
Smash Master
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Anyone know of any FD:M texture hacks besides the blue platform with the Tabuu sky?
i think people dont know how to use the move
im all about the smart and condescending apparently
because i've played the game for months
and youve played the game for half a day?
wooooooooooooooooooooo
smash players get trolled so easily even when there isn't any trolling actually there
im all about the smart and condescending apparently
because i've played the game for months
and youve played the game for half a day?
wooooooooooooooooooooo
smash players get trolled so easily even when there isn't any trolling actually there
Grim Tuesday
Smash Legend
Huh? o_O
...Anyway... Do you think its better than Falco's laser or worse?
...Anyway... Do you think its better than Falco's laser or worse?
KOF
Smash Rookie
All I have to say is that I am enjoying the game so far. Playing ganondorf is fun
BETTER THAN FALCOS my goodness no
but its definitely AMAZING
2nd best projectile in the game yo
but its definitely AMAZING
2nd best projectile in the game yo
To those who haven't unlocked all the characters or stages:
Back up your Project M GCT. Next, go to GeckoCodes, and make a codeset with just codes that unlock those things, then download it and put that on your SD card. Boot up Brawl, and it should unlock all those things. Once that's done, put the Project M codeset back on your SD card, and you should have everything.
Back up your Project M GCT. Next, go to GeckoCodes, and make a codeset with just codes that unlock those things, then download it and put that on your SD card. Boot up Brawl, and it should unlock all those things. Once that's done, put the Project M codeset back on your SD card, and you should have everything.
Grim Tuesday
Smash Legend
...Alright, can you link me to a Youtube/stream of someone using it in such an amazing fashion?
Cause I'm really not seeing it being better than Falco's laser, I'd like to hear Dr. PeePee's opinion on this.
Cause I'm really not seeing it being better than Falco's laser, I'd like to hear Dr. PeePee's opinion on this.
PGH Carroll
Smash Master
im loving sonic and Dedede. this is too fun
im pretty sure im gonna be making a combo video this week.
look out for it on my channel
www.youtube.com/user/DjnicholasRAGE
im pretty sure im gonna be making a combo video this week.
look out for it on my channel
www.youtube.com/user/DjnicholasRAGE
Archangel
Smash Hero
Could be the Pushback that really does it. Spaced attacks on shields just fine in melee. Now it's like anything that gets blocked is like auto smacked or shield grabbed. Even double attacks like Falcon's Nair seems like they'll just soldier the second kick and grab me anyway. It's not terrible it's just not something I'm use to and I can see my self getting annoyed by it down the road. If that ever were to be fixed it would help in the way of transferring. Oddly enough the adjustment to everyone and everything else was EXTREMELY easy.
Kink-Link5
Smash Hero
Maybe it's because my roommate plays Lucario that Wolf's blaster doesn't seem that great. The Sakura style hadoukens are just so multi-purpose.
I think I figured out why, or at least can elaborate further, Charizard has problem areas. His Ground to Air game is easily one of the best if not the best in the game, and I doubt anyone could really say otherwise. His Air to Air game is good IFF the opponent is above him. At even level or Charizard above for the most part, it is less stellar. His Ground to Ground game is decent, but definitely no where near the best or even within the top 50% of the cast. The final piece, his Air to Ground game, is really bad. Against a grounded opponent, especially one with space controlling projectiles, he has such limited options unless he is already at an advantagous position, and he has a lot of trouble getting the openings he needs to get in that position. His best Air to Ground options are Nair, which requires an absurd amount of dedication, and bair, which requires him to get past his slow jumpsquat quickly enough that the opponent won't be able to hit him on frametrap. Again, this is catalysed by projectiles, which severely limit Charizard's ability to navigate forward, especially transcendent projectiles or anything his flamethrower can't eat through.
The most hindering part of Charizard's AtG game seems to be his glide. I firmly believe it should either not send him into specialfall if canceled without an attack, the Glair should have light armor to get through the weak projectiles and jabs that hinder his offense, the Glair should not alter his flight trajectory (The "Boost" it gives, so to say), or any combination of these three. Especially the first and third would be nice, because he would greatly appreciate more manual control over his air time.
Probably going to be using Charizard exclusively.
! Can Lucario's standard B shots not be shield reflected like the rest of projectiles? I've powershielded them many times but they seem to just disappear. They can be reflected by other means, but this is a very curious issue.
I think I figured out why, or at least can elaborate further, Charizard has problem areas. His Ground to Air game is easily one of the best if not the best in the game, and I doubt anyone could really say otherwise. His Air to Air game is good IFF the opponent is above him. At even level or Charizard above for the most part, it is less stellar. His Ground to Ground game is decent, but definitely no where near the best or even within the top 50% of the cast. The final piece, his Air to Ground game, is really bad. Against a grounded opponent, especially one with space controlling projectiles, he has such limited options unless he is already at an advantagous position, and he has a lot of trouble getting the openings he needs to get in that position. His best Air to Ground options are Nair, which requires an absurd amount of dedication, and bair, which requires him to get past his slow jumpsquat quickly enough that the opponent won't be able to hit him on frametrap. Again, this is catalysed by projectiles, which severely limit Charizard's ability to navigate forward, especially transcendent projectiles or anything his flamethrower can't eat through.
The most hindering part of Charizard's AtG game seems to be his glide. I firmly believe it should either not send him into specialfall if canceled without an attack, the Glair should have light armor to get through the weak projectiles and jabs that hinder his offense, the Glair should not alter his flight trajectory (The "Boost" it gives, so to say), or any combination of these three. Especially the first and third would be nice, because he would greatly appreciate more manual control over his air time.
Probably going to be using Charizard exclusively.
! Can Lucario's standard B shots not be shield reflected like the rest of projectiles? I've powershielded them many times but they seem to just disappear. They can be reflected by other means, but this is a very curious issue.
I don't know for sure that he is viable. He seemed fine when I played him and every time I hear anyone from the PMBR talk about him they always say he is really good so I was just giving him the benefit of the doubt.Really? It's the other way around for me braggins; I love D3 but think he isn't viable.
He's got grabs, ftilt, bair, fair and grabs. That's it. Everything else is between meh and subpar. His jabs are pretty good now but there are plenty of situations where you could just try to grab instead of jab and be just as (or even more, if they're blocking) productive.
The moves that feel the most lacking to me:
Dsmash - It doesn't come out that quickly and, ironically, isn't that good at hitting people on the ground. I tried dsmashing a shiek as she was lying down and it went right over her lol.
Nair - If it's always going to have such a cruddy hitbox, it should get the boozer treatment or something and have some nifty super armour.
Utilt - Probably just because I miss its ridiculous KB and damage from barlw
Wavedash - lol
As for his specials, his Jet Hammer has weaksauce armor and little shield stun - intentional I know, but it just seems lackluster to me. His upB really needed that super armour or something - anything - he's so easy to edgeguard without it. I've got no issues with his sideB but it'd be awesome if you could chunk waddle dees diagonally upward as well as straight like in Brawl- or whatever other mod I saw it in. Inhale is inhale.
It's not that I'm disappointed with your work so far, guys. I love this game and all of these characters. But I'd love to see some buffs later on for this guy. He's better than a one-trick pony, but not a few-trick pony.
i just said it was worse then falco's laser what
Mr.Pickle
Smash Lord
FINALLY!...God Ive had to go through so much bull**** today, lol 7 attempts, 4 of which the zip file got corrupted lol wtf, 5th one the installer just quit half way through the characters, and then the 6th one got stopped cause of a power out...... but its finally over, ha ha wish I could call out tomorrow.
Grim Tuesday
Smash Legend
This is why you should talk normally, I skimmed your post and read
You seem to be of the opinion that Falco's is a lot better, cause you said "my goodness no".
Hence, Wolf's laser isn't amazing. Glad we've come to an agreement.
But whatever, mostly my fault
You seem to be of the opinion that Falco's is a lot better, cause you said "my goodness no".
Hence, Wolf's laser isn't amazing. Glad we've come to an agreement.
Kink-Link5
Smash Hero
Also I think Falco feels off because of the jump frame thing. Fastest SHL compared to Melee's definitely seems to shoot out a lot higher though.
i think you do not comprehend the word amazing
the word amazing does not mean the same thing as the word "best"
wolf's projectile is amazing
falco's projectile is ludicrous and the best
the word amazing does not mean the same thing as the word "best"
wolf's projectile is amazing
falco's projectile is ludicrous and the best
Grim Tuesday
Smash Legend
If its not close to as amazing as Falco's laser, then I haven't been under-rating it, semantics be damned.
EDIT: My bad...
If its not close to as AMAZING as Falco's laser
then I haven't been under-rating it
semantics be DAMNED
LOL
EDIT: My bad...
If its not close to as AMAZING as Falco's laser
then I haven't been under-rating it
semantics be DAMNED
LOL
Semantics da bess
Grim Tuesday
Smash Legend
Gimpy, how do you use Bowser's armour?
I'm not sure if I should be rushing in with Bowser and eating their attacks, or letting them rush into my armour via prediction/spacing.
Or is it a combination of both?
I'm not sure if I should be rushing in with Bowser and eating their attacks, or letting them rush into my armour via prediction/spacing.
Or is it a combination of both?
UltiMario
Out of Obscurity
Late to the party here but imma just chime in and say RARing with Wolf for approaching and pressure is easy ****.
Certainly easier than using his Laser, to say the least. <.>
Certainly easier than using his Laser, to say the least. <.>
Kink-Link5
Smash Hero
Actually wait. Sh Bair would not be air to ground, it would still pretty much fall in the same category as GtG moves I think. Charizard already in the air trying to come in at a grounded opponent. That aspect, that's what's really bad for him. Not-so-Stellar GtG game doesn't help the matter, he just has quite a bit of trouble against firmly grounded opponents.
This aspect isn't much of a problem if you waveland it. It is awkward at first, especially if you are used to to quickly short hop lasering with Falco constantly like I am.
sort of a combination of both
i'd try to play him using the armor as little as possible
and then you can use it more when it matters
being good at bowser will be more about utilizing his range than using his armor
i'd try to play him using the armor as little as possible
and then you can use it more when it matters
being good at bowser will be more about utilizing his range than using his armor
Kink-Link5
Smash Hero
Bowser's Side B, Fair, and anything out of Bomb-Cancel are pretty terrific.
Mr.Pickle
Smash Lord
I honestly don't find wolf's laser that hard to use, lol and I just started like 5 minutes ago.
Grim Tuesday
Smash Legend
I got used to the timing pretty quickly.
I can just see myself starting a laser at mid range and getting punished for it via an aggressive push by the opponent because of the start-up speed.
Grim Tuesday
Smash Legend
Glad to see that the PMBR has brushed up on their personal relations in time for the second demo.
If you retreat a laser and waveland forward, and your opponent shffls forward... They're going to hit you... lol
It works for Falco cause the laser itself is faster, so it catches the short hop.
If you retreat a laser and waveland forward, and your opponent shffls forward... They're going to hit you... lol
It works for Falco cause the laser itself is faster, so it catches the short hop.
Fair enough. I've been having that problem too sometimes. I'm so used to B being the "put your opponent in their shield" button from playing Falco so much. Sometimes I do it instinctively in really bad situations and get punished.
I R MarF
Smash Ace
Yeah, so I know that I am not very popular around here, but I just want to say that I do appreciate the PMBR and I can't thank them enough for what they have done despite I disagree with them on certain design decisions. And I have played demo 2 and I think it goes without saying how excellent it is.
However, upon fiddling around with most of the characters, does anyone else get that feeling like some characters may affect the playability of others? For instance, characters like Link and Marth feel boring now and outclassed by either other character(s) or dull in general. I feel that the only ones who might still be interested in them is their mains. Pikachu and maybe Luigi might also be applied to that category but I'm not sure.
Maybe the culprit is some of the characters that feel less focused? For instance, I think Snake, Charizard, and Sonic are excellent because they have a specific playstyle and they stick to it while still being appealing. However, characters like ROB and Pit who have gimmicks but can be played multiple ways making them less focused which affects other characters who aren't like that negatively. Does anyone else get this kind of feeling?
However, I like all the characters. I still think Wolf won't be as good as Fox and Falco and I think Zelda being able to air dodge from teleport is a little goofy, but aside from that and potential playability issues. Its pretty solid. Great job again.
However, upon fiddling around with most of the characters, does anyone else get that feeling like some characters may affect the playability of others? For instance, characters like Link and Marth feel boring now and outclassed by either other character(s) or dull in general. I feel that the only ones who might still be interested in them is their mains. Pikachu and maybe Luigi might also be applied to that category but I'm not sure.
Maybe the culprit is some of the characters that feel less focused? For instance, I think Snake, Charizard, and Sonic are excellent because they have a specific playstyle and they stick to it while still being appealing. However, characters like ROB and Pit who have gimmicks but can be played multiple ways making them less focused which affects other characters who aren't like that negatively. Does anyone else get this kind of feeling?
However, I like all the characters. I still think Wolf won't be as good as Fox and Falco and I think Zelda being able to air dodge from teleport is a little goofy, but aside from that and potential playability issues. Its pretty solid. Great job again.
Kink-Link5
Smash Hero
To be fair, retreating with a move that has slow start up makes it marginally safer to use, but not necessarily more rewarding.
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