Project M Social Thread

[MaxThunder]

Hm... maybe i should figure out how to dacus... i've been planning to do it for like... 3 years now...

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Weren't you just defending the people complaining?

More complaining about people ignoring the complaints because "You haven't used the character, so you can contribute absolutely nothing to him".

Which I still disagree with.

I'm pretty sure he was trying to encourage legitimate conversation on the topic: similar in form but not in intent.
I'm glad Grim Tuesday's back and a fact.

<3

 

[MaxThunder]

OK... i did a quick sweep of the brawl forums and found nothing telling me how to dacus... and after 3 searches i still can't seem to word it right...

I'd be really happy if someone could explain it to me...

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Sure thing.

Basically you want to input a dash attack, and during the start of the dash attack input an up smash.

 

[Strong Badam]

Feedback without playtesting has merit. For example, perhaps a move looks weird due to its animation, or functions in a way that doesn't really make sense/fit in. It doesn't make much sense to say "You've never played the character, your opinions are invalid!" in such a case.
However, feedback with playtesting inherently has more merit. We've historically had over 80 designated playtesters with skills ranging from RyokoYaksa to Silent Wolf to DaShizWiz to Mango. Rest assured that we are very much aware how to iron out problem characters and moves via playtesting. Believe it or not, many of us do read this thread and whenever something of value is posted it's usually discussed in the Back Room and sometimes even implemented, so don't think we ignore our audience's desires or concerns.

 

[JediKnightTemplar]

Mango's a playtester?

 

[kaizo13]

Mango's a playtester?

We've historically had...

yes, at some point he was

 

[MonkUnit]

Waaaay before Demo 1, Mango was a playtester

 

[JediKnightTemplar]

Wasn't that the time period where you were taking people based on name recognition not dedication to the Project? I recall Spam Arrows complaining about that a while back.

 

[Strong Badam]

Just tried Revision 1 of Project M from over 2 years ago.

Man, we've done quite a bit.

 

[Archangel]

Wasn't that the time period where you were taking people based on name recognition not dedication to the Project? I recall Spam Arrows complaining about that a while back.

that was awhile back....and as it turns out I was correct but that's in the past. No need to bring it up.

 

[I R MarF]

Wasn't that the time period where you were taking people based on name recognition not dedication to the Project? I recall Spam Arrows complaining about that a while back.

Lol... hungrybox.

 

[phurgawtin]

OK... i did a quick sweep of the brawl forums and found nothing telling me how to dacus... and after 3 searches i still can't seem to word it right...

I'd be really happy if someone could explain it to me...

initiate a dash attack, and immediately c stick downwards and up+Z at the same time (up+A also works if you use your right hand like a claw while playing)

if your character dash attacks or jump uairs, you didnt get the timing right. i'd suggest practicing with link or wolf in vbrawl to get it right

 

[Rikana]

Just tried Revision 1 of Project M from over 2 years ago.

Man, we've done quite a bit.

**** yeah. Dead frames on jump.

 

[♡ⓛⓞⓥⓔ♡]

I would love to see Silent Wolf play Wolf in a match

 

[MaxThunder]

initiate a dash attack, and immediately c stick downwards and up+Z at the same time (up+A also works if you use your right hand like a claw while playing)

if your character dash attacks or jump uairs, you didnt get the timing right. i'd suggest practicing with link or wolf in vbrawl to get it right

hm... this sounds oddly specific... what's the significance of the down on the c-stick?.. and the up-z?.. ... ...

... i'll have to go do a more in depth sweep of te brawl forums as soon as i get more stable internets...

 

[Strong Badam]

Down c-stick is the easiest way to dash attack during initial dash. lol. Up-Z inputs the upsmash.

 

[Beorn4200]

hm... this sounds oddly specific... what's the significance of the down on the c-stick?.. and the up-z?.. ... ...

... i'll have to go do a more in depth sweep of te brawl forums as soon as i get more stable internets...

Pretty sure it's more like:

Initiate dash then quickly down on cstick, then rotate from forward on control stick to up quickly and press Z. That's how I've always done it at least.

 

[Supreme Dirt]

I have R Attack for DACUS.

I is a cheater.

 

[metroid1117]

Down c-stick is the easiest way to dash attack during initial dash. lol. Up-Z inputs the upsmash.

Just to add to this, here's the original video tutorial that Magus himself posted (but did not make): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7Q2gfVEf0k

Alternatively, instead of inputting up+Z for the USmash, you can also use up+A with your right index finger. For some reason, I found this works better for me when trying to do Sheik's DACUS than up+Z.

Regarding DACUS'ing, is Boost Tossing still in?

 

[hotdogturtle]

Isn't that just glide tossing, the thing that's always been in and also has a new aerial version in P:M?

 

[NickRiddle]

Some characters, like Link cannot glide toss, but can DACIT (dash attack cancelled item throw).

 

[Archangel]

I haven't really noticed DACUS much in P:M videos. Is it as easy to do as it is in Brawl, Is it more difficult do the the speed increase?...these are things I want to know.

 

[kaizo13]

didn't snake have dacus in demo1. it was just harder to do and had less distance.

i'd assume it would be the same for the rest DACUS

 

[Spoon~]

its harder to do in P:M

 

[Shadic]

Lack of buffering makes it harder. Increase of friction makes it less effective.

 

[PurDi]

Ok... I'll try not to drag this out.

I don't like wolf's design. Its that simple. It's not that I don't like his moves or that he's an untraditional spacie, its simply that I feel his playstyle does not fit his character. I don't have too play him to say that I don't like him...

I've watched what sw had some with him and while its impressive, it doesn't feel like wolf. It's just the design and how everything works.... I'm saying in a general sense that the characters personality and demeanor in his canon games is not carried over well.

 

[Spoon~]

Ok... I'll try not to drag this out.

I don't like wolf's design. Its that simple. It's not that I don't like his moves or that he's an untraditional spacie, its simply that I feel his playstyle does not fit his character. I don't have too play him to say that I don't like him...

I've watched what sw had some with him and while its impressive, it doesn't feel like wolf. It's just the design and how everything works.... I'm saying in a general sense that the characters personality and demeanor in his canon games is not carried over well.

And it was in Brawl? I think the PM team did a much better job with the character.

 

[Supreme Dirt]

Brawl is irrelevant to P:M discussion. That's like me bringing up Diddy Kong Racing talking about Banjo in Nuts and Bolts.

 

[Spoon~]

Brawl is irrelevant to P:M discussion. That's like me bringing up Diddy Kong Racing talking about Banjo in Nuts and Bolts.

Right. A character from the game they are revamping has no place in this discussion.

 

[kaizo13]

I think DDD's waddle-dees should block Rob's lazers.

and 9K, why do you make DDD's up-b seem so bad lol

 

[Fly_Amanita]

DDD has tricks to get around a lot of the simple edgeguards 9K struggles with.

 

[MaxThunder]

Down c-stick is the easiest way to dash attack during initial dash. lol. Up-Z inputs the upsmash.

ah... then i guess he just typed it wrong... cause he typed initiate a dash attack and then do c-stick down... at least that's how it came off to me...

Just to add to this, here's the original video tutorial that Magus himself posted (but did not make): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7Q2gfVEf0k

Alternatively, instead of inputting up+Z for the USmash, you can also use up+A with your right index finger. For some reason, I found this works better for me when trying to do Sheik's DACUS than up+Z.

Regarding DACUS'ing, is Boost Tossing still in?

After a bit research, it seems shiek's DACUS has strict timing... and that there's a bit of delay on the Z-button for some reason... making it about impossible to z DACUS with shiek...

 

[PurDi]

And it was in Brawl? I think the PM team did a much better job with the character.

Strawman arguments are completely illogical. I said nothing about brawl.

 

[Spoon~]

Strawman arguments are completely illogical. I said nothing about brawl.

No but as a character he makes way mroe sense in pm with his new playstyle than he did before.

 

[Machiavelli.CF]

Brawl is irrelevant to P:M discussion. That's like me bringing up Diddy Kong Racing talking about Banjo in Nuts and Bolts.

ಠ_ಠ It's seeing awful analogies like that that further make me wish they had logic classes in high schools...

Spoiler

seeing as you can't play this mod (of brawl) without brawl, we're in a brawl sub-forum, and this project wouldn't even exist without brawl.

A better comparison would be "That's like me bringing up the Declaration of Independence in American history."


Also, I think it would be in everyone's best interest if we waited till P:M came out before we put out our reviews on the state or P:M game-play. We're all aware some people don't like some characters. Please, let's just wait a few days, test out the characters, and then explain what specifically we don't like and offer a suggestion. The P:M team is not closed to new ideas.

 

[GP&B]

Pardon me, PurDi, but your post comes off as extremely vague. You don't detail any reason as to why Wolf:M's moveset does not fit whatever personality (that you also didn't really define any parameters for) you feel he should be like.

What I'm saying is your post isn't constructive because you don't provide any real information for the team to go off of besides "It doesn't fit the character."

EDIT: Your post after this at least gets at something.

 

[Shadic]

Also, I think it would be in everyone's best interest if we waited till P:M came out before we put out our reviews on the state or P:M game-play. We're all aware some people don't like some characters. Please, let's just wait a few days, test out the characters, and then explain what specifically we don't like and offer a suggestion. The P:M team is not closed to new ideas.

Exactly. The demo is to come out in a bit over a week, and you're having character debates now of all times?

As in, when it's far too close to the demo for the team to actually even consider changing the character to any real degree, and just days before you'll get to actually play the character yourselves instead of making guesses and using theory to talk about why you don't like them.

 

[PurDi]

No but as a character he makes way mroe sense in pm with his new playstyle than he did before.

I completely agree. However I think he was put into a role that he didn't fit into. I don't think he needs to have a spacie playstyle honestly.

 

[Sanity's_Theif]

Feedback without playtesting has merit. For example, perhaps a move looks weird due to its animation, or functions in a way that doesn't really make sense/fit in. It doesn't make much sense to say "You've never played the character, your opinions are invalid!" in such a case.
However, feedback with playtesting inherently has more merit. We've historically had over 80 designated playtesters with skills ranging from RyokoYaksa to Silent Wolf to DaShizWiz to Mango. Rest assured that we are very much aware how to iron out problem characters and moves via playtesting. Believe it or not, many of us do read this thread and whenever something of value is posted it's usually discussed in the Back Room and sometimes even implemented, so don't think we ignore our audience's desires or concerns.

How about the animation on ganodorf's up and down angled side tilt, the animation just looks weird, leave the hitboxes but make it a roundhouse, sidekick or maybe a spin hook though that might be too fancy for Ganondorf

Man if I had kinect and the Brawlbox could read movements I could make up a bunch of cool animation moves real quick