Project M Social Thread

[Sterowent]

yeah, that seemed like such an unnecessary flaw to an already hugely flawed recovery.

arguable, though, if lucas should continue to have that trait. his recovery is far superior to ness's, in just about every way.

 

[~tgm_Zeej]

I didn't think that Lucas' PKT2 had that particular feature.

 

[DotheDiddyMonkeyDance]

yeah, that seemed like such an unnecessary flaw to an already hugely flawed recovery.

arguable, though, if lucas should continue to have that trait. his recovery is far superior to ness's, in just about every way.

exactly thats why I was wondering. I know every character does need a downfall but Ness seems to take the ultimate bait when it comes to his return due to all people need to do is just intercept it by just running into it. and then even characters like Mario and fox who can just cape or rather reflect his recovery away. Even if ness does get it off his distance traveled is pretty short and also all someone has to do if theyre low enough even if they get hit by the move it shortens his distance (momentum) for recovering to the stage.

 

[jalued]

is it possible to allow another ness to activate the opponents PKT2 using their own PKT1? would make for some interesting ness ditto/team strategies

 

[shanus]

10nessrecoveryisfinearguments

 

[jalued]

10nessrecoveryisfinearguments

yeah its fine, but my idea...

 

[GHNeko]

oh hai 5.0 ness. i didn't know you were auditioning for P:M!

 

[jalued]

oh hai 5.0 ness. i didn't know you were auditioning for P:M!

haha slight exaggeration, 5.0 ness had a fair that comboed into itself/ dair and couldnt be DIed out of...

this was just one small comment about his recovery, which i think should stay bad

 

[~tgm_Zeej]

Ness' recovery is fine, that much is true enough.

But being punished for hitting them with your most powerful attack, which has nothing even resembling a setup and puts you into special fall?

Not only does gimping Ness require no effort in the first place, if you screw up and eat PKT2, you still get the gimp. Assuming you know how to tech, you also get the stock.
No other recovery in the game stops you dead and kills you for hitting your opponent.

 

[GP&B]

Ike's used to, but that was fixed. I don't see why we shouldn't apply the same logic to Ness.

Also, am I the only one who feels that zap jumping with Ness is extremely frame-tight? I did it in training all day and I could do it only 50% of the time which isn't even remotely reliable. If feels much easier on Lucas.

 

[Shell]

I've read that Lucas's Zap jump must be inputted on the second frame of the DJ (1 frame window), so I don't think it can be much harder than that.

 

[GP&B]

Is there anyway to expand that? I know it's a glitch/physics exploit to start with, but are there individual character things that can be done to make them more reliable?

 

[skrach8]

Ness had one of the worst recoveries in melee due to the fact that an opponent simply had to hover ness while he was recovering and take the hit.

THIS KILLED NESS' GAME.

If i could make a suggestion.

1. Ness does not go into a freefall state when his pkt is used to hit the opponent.
2. The cool down time shouldnt be too long, this would give him the chance to do another up b and make an ok.... but only ok... recovery.
3. He should not be able to spam this on stage.

 

[.Marik]

Marik... you need to use MK's new Bair and D-tilt. They're mad good now and I didn't see you using them at all. Trying SHFFLing Dair to D-tilt and then go from there. MK is different, but still really good as far as I can tell.

D-tilt has a lot of DI dependent follow-ups, many of which combo and some of which kill.

I'll keep that in mind.

Strange that I wasn't abusing Bair, I love that move.

 

[GHNeko]

1. Ness does not go into a freefall state when his pkt is used to hit the opponent.
2. The cool down time shouldnt be too long, this would give him the chance to do another up b and make an ok.... but only ok... recovery.
3. He should not be able to spam this on stage.

oh hey these suggestions look awfully familiar...

 

[Deleted member]

Or Ness could stay the same with a terrible recovery and a devastating onstage game.

Anyway. Any plans for Kirby's rock?

I'll just leave an idea here:

+ = ?

 

[Revven]

Ness had one of the worst recoveries in melee due to the fact that an opponent simply had to hover ness while he was recovering and take the hit.

THIS KILLED NESS' GAME.

If i could make a suggestion.

1. Ness does not go into a freefall state when his pkt is used to hit the opponent.
2. The cool down time shouldnt be too long, this would give him the chance to do another up b and make an ok.... but only ok... recovery.
3. He should not be able to spam this on stage.

Here's the thing, everything tried with Ness's recovery was done in B+. The special fall is tied with the endlag his PKT1 takes when it hits something/someone. There's no way to have him not free fall and have the PKT1 when it hits something have the same endlag as before, the two are tied together.

Unless there's some complicated way to go about fixing that that I don't know about, there's nothing that will be done to Ness's recovery.

 

[shanus]

well, thats nto true anymroe Falco400, but that's not the point :D


Simply put, ness will go into freefall. He is substantially buffed from his melee incarnate and doesn't need a recovery like that.

 

[Revven]

well, thats nto true anymroe Falco400, but that's not the point :D

See, he knows something I don't. D:

 

[GP&B]

Really, the only thing I'd want then is simply better frame periods on Zap Jumping (with both characters). Even a 3-frame opening would be perfectly fine (that is, if it's modifiable in the first place). Ness can still be edgeguarded based on how he makes an arc with his Zap Jump and can't do anything with the lag on PK Fire.

 

[rPSIvysaur]

Why do you want a bigger window?
/gets mad that I spent the time to learn how to do it consistently and people want it to be easier.

 

[Machiavelli.CF]

I dont even main lucas and i can do zap jump pretty concistantly.
One of Melee's big things was practacing. no one could waveshine on their first try, or even shdl.
Practice and you'll get it down better each time.
I say no on lengthening the window.

 

[GP&B]

I suppose so. I just haven't been able to nail it that much at all.

 

[Dan_X]

You guys want P:M sexyness?? Here you go...

 

[Sterowent]

wrote up an argument to include the upB collision fix, for ness. but i don't know what he's got in store. i even compared him to falco!

release some a those VIDS, GUYS


EDITOH****

 

[shanus]

Heh, i suggest if you want some video action of P:M....


http://www.smashmods.com/index.php

 

[stingers]

lucas looks cool. though all the dude really did was djc fair lol

 

[ThatGuyYouMightKnow]

lucas looks cool. though all the dude really did was djc fair lol

He has plenty more to explore.

.....but DJC fair is still too fun.

 

[JCaesar]

Well I guess Sneak doesn't know Lucas that well, but he does know TECHSKILL SEXINESS!!!

The Fox one is better though. Seriously. It's amazing. Watch it now.

 

[kaizo13]

OMG that's it?! more plz more!

no Falco footage?? D:

EDIT: btw, was Battlefield made bigger?? can't wait for some Melee sized stages ><

EDIT2: loving the camera <3

EDIT3: and LOL at the high % k.o SFX! xDD

 

[crazycrackers]

Nice vids :3, love that fox.

 

[Handorin]

All the hype about sneak's falco and there isn't a vid up? =/

 

[Dan_X]

OMG that's it?! more plz more!

no Falco footage?? D:

EDIT: btw, was Battlefield made bigger?? can't wait for some Melee sized stages ><

EDIT2: loving the camera <3

^^ yes it was made bigger.

All the hype about sneak's falco and there isn't a vid up? =/

Yeah, we'll likely have some of that footage up within the week. We'll see what happens.

Not sure why they didn't use the Falco video.

 

[shanus]

Falco with darkness shine not pretty enough and he needs a little more work IMO

 

[kaizo13]

...today is a good day

the words ProjectM and Public get closer to each other every day ^^

EDIT: Btw Shanus, is it safe to say we will see a more "Melee-like" shine GFX by the end of the project? (i can't stand that humongous white flash, its annoying)

 

[Shell]

Yes, Sneak's Lucas needs to employ Dair/U-tilt combos, Zair, PKT edgeguards, and moar smashes but the video does a good job of showing off the speed/technicality and the use of DJC.

 

[GP&B]

God, I think I'm already going to get a ton of satisfaction out of P:M merely from beating someone down at high %'s for uber lulzy yells (and NOT for the stupid whooshing noise). That, and everyone from what I have seen looks incredibly ****** under near-Melee physics.

If this took over Melee when it is completed... I don't know; with the current responses given, the public beta should catch on very quickly in my opinion.

 

[ValTroX]

Guys, just wondering, you reworked the friction right? cause B+ friction is stupid and if you haven't done that, i think WD's distance will get screwed(which seems totally awesome now)

 

[Shell]

We've increased friction universally, although it could still use additional fine-tuning.

 

[kaizo13]

by the looks of it, it definitely needs more friction...

dash grabs slide alot and everybody seems to have a good/easy WD