drsusredfish
Smash Ace
what's wrong with fox's double jump?
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All I want is Tlink in Demo 2 but I see that as very unlikely.
@drsusredfish, Im pretty sure it's off from melee, and its related to the landing detection code in some way.
I would love to see of rundown of everything that needs to be fixed before another demo can be released.
@drsusredfish, Im pretty sure it's off from melee, and its related to the landing detection code in some way.
I would love to see of rundown of everything that needs to be fixed before another demo can be released.
Supreme Dirt
King of the Railway
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So just don't include fox in the demo!
tripwire
Smash Journeyman
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFS9aWeJt4I&feature=fvst
Awesome players. Is there a reason people play melee at a more aggressive pace than PM when PM is supposed to be like melee? I mean i see you guys play extremely safe and a lot of times not very combo focused. Also where are the footstool combos?
Juushichi
sugoi ~ sugoi ~
Footstool combos?
You can tech if you get footstooled onstate.
You can tech if you get footstooled onstate.
wat. you don't watch my streams then lol.
This. But footstools lead to some awesome ****.
tripwire
Smash Journeyman
What exactly do you mean onstate? Can you tech if falco does : Shine>jump>FS>spike/jab reset?
Also@ghneko: im always missing streams and usually catching matches on Jcaesars youtube page. But what i mean is like i was watching a matches with Ganon and peach in them and i saw no Short hopped Floating D airs, no turnip combos, no chain grabs if peach even has them still. And with Ganon less combos and more pushing them away with Fairs and etc. I cant speak for everyone nor have i played the latest build obviously but i feel like there is potential to go H.A.M in this game and get away with it most of the time.
Shadic
Alakadoof?
Some moves have messed up "momentum" vertically because of SCD. Fox and Link have second jumps that are "off" because of it.
Supreme Dirt
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Ah, I thought something was a little off with Link's DJ but I kept it to myself because I figured it was just Brawl messing with me.
Nice to know I wasn't crazy.
Nice to know I wasn't crazy.
A lot of double jumps don't give as much height as their Melee counterparts unless an aerial is performed as early as possible.
I think it's one of the things where it's known what causes it, but there needs to be the will to fix it for each character. I know it's been fixed, more or less, for Samus. She used to not be able to get onstage with a ledge-hop.
Juushichi
sugoi ~ sugoi ~
Onstage. I was trying footstool combos with Falco throughout the entirety of the demo's duration and yes. You can tech away, in place, etc as soon as you hit the ground. Footstooling on stage is a slightly worse tech chase generating mechanism because it does the exact same thing, except that you're not already on the ground to follow up on a techchase. Still relies on preemptive reads, but I don't think it allows you to cover options as "thoroughly" as a normal one would.
Tell me what JC-Shine, dair, jab reset doesn't do that throwing FS into there does? You're still relying on people falling asleep at the wheel and staying in hard knock down state. The footstool animation on stage, especially low off the ground onstage doesn't generally allow for you to land and do things fast enough unless they've really ****ty rolls (like GnW).
Don't get me wrong though, I think footstooling has the potential to be REALLY REALLY REALLY good/gay, especially for characters like Fox/Marth and maybe some characters that have trouble generating kills offstage (because FS offstage is still godlike), but onstage, I think it's going to be rather limited.
MonkUnit
Project M Back Roomer
Footstool -> dair works with marth iirc
tripwire
Smash Journeyman
You are right bout all that FS are really more bout style than efficiency on stage. I have my controls set up for easy access to FS and such (FS on X and Jump on Y only) im gonna experiment with them next week.
Also i wanted to ask ya'll what finger do you use to jump because i use my index finger which is always sideways on my Y button and my friends seem to find this strange when ever they have my name on.
Juushichi
sugoi ~ sugoi ~
I use my thumb to jump which alternates between the buttons on my right hand side. So like you'd normally hold the controller. You sound like you claw.
standardtoaster
Tubacabra
I use X to jump.
curry9186
Smash Journeyman
I use Dos Equis.
MaxThunder
PM Support
I use ... ok i forgot wch button is where, but i use the right one for jumping... and i use the left one for wavedashing right sometimes it seems...
drsusredfish
Smash Ace
if you want fast, technical, and aggressiveness gameplay watch SNPR's streams. For good laughs and generally decent gameplay watch NEKO's stream. Both are ussually good.
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neko sucks
And for saltiness watch....
drsusredfish
Smash Ace
we won't have salt for like 8 months
Yeah I know, it's sad isn't it?
drsusredfish
Smash Ace
yeah now my P:M fries gona taste bland.
9Kplus1
Smash Master
I jump with X, shield with R, L-cancel with L, and everything in between with MK. Sometimes I grab with Z, but otherwise I pick MK.
JCaesar
Smash Hero
I jump with X, Y, and R, all in different situations.
Juushichi
sugoi ~ sugoi ~
I still kinda lose to Neko's Kiri quote. "A Fair Way to Play Melee - By Sheik". Genius.
What button do you guys use for WDing and L-Canceling? It alternates for me, but typically sticks to R. I also WD oos with one button most of the time.
What button do you guys use for WDing and L-Canceling? It alternates for me, but typically sticks to R. I also WD oos with one button most of the time.
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Open your mouf
drsusredfish
Smash Ace
i jump with the down arrow. not kiding. (wii mote and nun chuck)
wave dash with Z, grab with C
wave dash with Z, grab with C
tripwire
Smash Journeyman
Def use L for wave dash and shield and Z to grab. Y to jump X for Foots. and sometimes C-stick
FireBall Stars
Smash Ace
To Jump, Y button, sometimes with the analog stick.
I don't use the c-stick unless for fastfalling uairs or spinshooting with sonic.
Grab with Y, then Z. I alway grab with JC for some reason. Or R+A. Wavedash with Y and L, shielding with L. R usually when I want to shield grab or powershield.
L-cancel with any shoulder button, but most usually with L.
I don't use the c-stick unless for fastfalling uairs or spinshooting with sonic.
Grab with Y, then Z. I alway grab with JC for some reason. Or R+A. Wavedash with Y and L, shielding with L. R usually when I want to shield grab or powershield.
L-cancel with any shoulder button, but most usually with L.
slimpyman
Smash Journeyman
I don't think they are interested seeing the current state of the game. Its really not anyones task at hand but the pm devs, to try and step out and garner support from Active melee players. The state of northwest indiana and chicago metropolitan area is really saturated with brawl fanatics... it would definitely be a lot easier to build a following in a given area for projectm if someone who supported the project had access to a semi-updated build. Tink and kels don't even want to take a min out to play a match of pm, let alone applying for a position.
Hahaha I know you guys have let people in the backroom for "PR" reasons, general support of the project, and not the overall raw skill level, so I don't know why you would continue to be nazi seekers of previous melee tournament victors and such that you seek now. All it really does is a disservice to the project, and to the ones who really could rally support in their area for a project that really needs a strong following of both new players and veterans alike.
I always use L to L-cancel and L to shield. And use R to wavedash with everyone and roll. I alternate jump buttons depending on character oddly enough. My mains Ness and Samus I use Y to jump the timing for their wavedashes are almost identical, Other characters like Fox , IC's, Luigi, Mario, I also use Y to jump. I use X to jump with characters like Link, Ganon, DK and Falco. I don't know why, I guess to create different mustle memory for different characters who have vastly different timings on their WD's lol.
It's kinda funny to see that everyone does something different.
MaxThunder
PM Support
I l-cancel with z... i also do some aerials with z... and i charge smashes with c-stick+z... mostly... z is awezome...
Kink-Link5
Smash Hero
R for WD and Shield, X to Jump, Y for footsies, C-stick for aerials and Ice Climber WD D-smashes, L for L-cancels, Z for Nair, aerial item grabs, and WD grabs, Tap Jump off, Manual B-reversals, Monkey Claw hold for multishining and other specific techniques.
Actually this too, I switch to claw for certain things also, double shines is one of them, I also do it when I spam pills with Doc, Use Y to Jumb and B to hit pills immediatly
Shadic
Alakadoof?
To be frank, adding in additional PMBR members just to spread hype to lesser-represented areas really isn't worth it. Demo 2 is coming out in the nearish-future, and we don't need to risk adding players that aren't up to our standards just to "fill in" for a few months.
We want high-level players because that's what we need before we feel comfortable pushing Demo 2.
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