Project M Social Thread

[Juushichi]

Link is cool.

Toon Link seems much better.

Nerf Toon Link.

 

[Ninka_kiwi]

Has there been any recent videos of Toon link shown?
All the ones on YouTube are all at least a few months old and by how you guys are talking about him he seems to have gotten some awesome changes <.>

 

[Dingding123]

If Link ends up needing any real nerfs, I'll eat Link's hat.

Keep in mind - leather is edible

I'll hold you to your word

 

[ClinkStryphart]

I agree with 100% of what falco400 said because it is true. If I know one thing they are staying away from what killed Brawl+ and that is a good thing.

 

[Beorn4200]

Hmm...this whole time I've been trying to convince people that Link received a few too many buffs because when I play with him when this is released I want to be known as a good player and not a Link player, and I have my mind set on maining Link. Also, I don't want Link (or any character, for that matter) to ever be good enough to receive a bad rep like MK has from Barlw, even partially. But now that I think about it, I want to see more people main link more than either of those things.

So you know what? Leave him as is. Let him be easy to pick up and play with - for now, at least. Just understand that in the future, he may need some nerfs.

I think you are confusing something about melee link.... He was ALWAYS easy to pick up and do well with ... at low to mid level play... Hes only really bad at high level.

When you watch some low, mid and high level play at PM... You will see link does well and gets trashed accordingly depending on the skill of the link player then the skill of the other player as I mentioned above.

I don't ever think link will need nerfs. Especially after ledge occupancy is fixed.

I do as everyone here knows at this point think that link needs 1 or 2 moves to be slightly more powerfull to match other characters in kill potencial... So all of these matches that I've seen in pm good (links or bad ones) won't be-

Rack damage and avoid hits until the opponent is at 170 then get a weak hit kill or maybe land one of his very unsafe actual kill moves. Then get killed at around 100 right when the other player appears because just about every other character kills link lower than he can kill them.

If not I just thank the PMBR for faster Dtilt, dash attack, and the more powerful rang return hit... I can land Dairs much more easily now.

Link's looking amazing... He's Just lacking a viable kill move. I feel the same about sonic. Snake looks like he was fixed in that area though.

whats up with people thinking spin attack is so amazingly powerfull? Any good link main will tell you to use it very sparingly...

 

[MonkUnit]

Yeah don't be spamming spin attack lol. High risk doing that

 

[Dingding123]

I think you are confusing something about melee link.... He was ALWAYS easy to pick up and do well with ... at low to mid level play... Hes only really bad at high level.

When you watch some low, mid and high level play at PM... You will see link does well and gets trashed accordingly depending on the skill of the link player then the skill of the other player as I mentioned above.

I don't ever think link will need nerfs. Especially after ledge occupancy is fixed.

I do as everyone here knows at this point think that link needs 1 or 2 moves to be slightly more powerfull to match other characters in kill potencial... So all of these matches that I've seen in pm good (links or bad ones) won't be-

Rack damage and avoid hits until the opponent is at 170 then get a weak hit kill or maybe land one of his very unsafe actual kill moves. Then get killed at around 100 right when the other player appears because just about every other character kills link lower than he can kill them.

If not I just thank the PMBR for faster Dtilt, dash attack, and the more powerful rang return hit... I can land Dairs much more easily now.

Link's looking amazing... He's Just lacking a viable kill move. I feel the same about sonic. Snake looks like he was fixed in that area though.

whats up with people thinking spin attack is so amazingly powerfull? Any good link main will tell you to use it very sparingly...

You and I must have entirely different mindsets of what Melee link is.

By the way, with all this Link talk going around (half of that because of me lol), what all has changed in comparison to his demo build?

 

[Octorox]

Has there been any recent videos of Toon link shown?
All the ones on YouTube are all at least a few months old and by how you guys are talking about him he seems to have gotten some awesome changes <.>

Yeah I noticed he hasn't been getting too much love in streams and I'm not seeing him in any recent videos on youtube.

 

[MonkUnit]

@ding as seen in vids, he has n64 entry, able to ff arrows, melee taunt anim, and shield blocking during mid walk

 

[Dingding123]

@ding as seen in vids, he has n64 entry, able to ff arrows, melee taunt anim, and shield blocking during mid walk

Ah, right, the new shield blocking during mid walk lol.

And as for the ff arrows, that simply means that he will keep his momentum when preparing to shoot while ff'ing, right? Will all characters' b-moves not change ff'ing momentum, ouside of ones that move a character?

 

[Virum]

You guys still haven't seen the most hilarious Toon Link change yet XD Hopefully it'll come up on a stream or vid fairly soon.

 

[Shadic]

Has there been any recent videos of Toon link shown?
All the ones on YouTube are all at least a few months old and by how you guys are talking about him he seems to have gotten some awesome changes <.>

Hopefully we'll get some. I played a lot of Toon Link at Yagi's.

 

[Octorox]

You guys still haven't seen the most hilarious Toon Link change yet XD Hopefully it'll come up on a stream or vid fairly soon.

I'm excited

 

[GP&B]

You mean Toon Link's D-Taunt has hitboxes now?

 

[Virum]

More hilarious =P And besides, the D Taunt hitbox thing was already done in Brawl- Nah this is more original, but you won't see it very often.

 

[standardtoaster]

Don't forget that Monk and I will be streaming at Teh Pwn Gaming this weekend. I'm also the person who's streaming the melee tourney. I will be streaming pm first then switching to melee for the tourney. It may be a while after switching to melee because there's a chance it might be a 64-man double elimination. >.>

 

[GP&B]

More hilarious =P And besides, the D Taunt hitbox thing was already done in Brawl- Nah this is more original, but you won't see it very often.

I wasn't even aware of its presence in Brawl-, but now I'm really interested in seeing what this is, heh.

 

[iLink]

I would die happy with milk drink taunt

 

[Beorn4200]

I would die happy with milk drink taunt

hell yes! over that stupid stand still and look around one.

 

[Octorox]

hell yes! over that stupid stand still and look around one.

I want this soooooo bad. Just make sure the bottle is Wind Waker styled

 

[Ecks]

Well, I'm intrigued. Though contrary to what my avatar may make you assume, I'm not really interested in Tink that much. lol

And going offtopic here, does anyone know where to find character specific Melee sfx? Stuff like Ness' double jump sound. Been looking for a while now and I would really appreciate it.

 

[Spoon~]

Keep in mind - leather is edible

I'll hold you to your word

Since when is Link's hat made of leather?

 

[Stevo]

it's clearly made of 69 73 20 70 72 6f 67 72 61 6d 20 63 61 6e 6e 6f

(I coulda made that more funny if I knew anything about hex code)

 

[JCaesar]

You just said "is program canno" in hex.

 

[Stevo]

like I said

woulda done something like "green elf hat"

IT WAS A TEST TO THE PMBR OF COURSE, AND YOU PASSED

I totally did not open something random with hex editor and copy paste part of it


I should have opened up the Link.dat file I have of the melee disk lol damn it

 

[crush]

like I said

woulda done something like "green elf hat"

IT WAS A TEST TO THE PMBR OF COURSE, AND YOU PASSED

I totally did not open something random with hex editor and copy paste part of it


I should have opened up the Link.dat file I have of the melee disk lol damn it

were not crush buddies anymore?????

=(

 

[JOE!]

[Herp] Just had a "moment", does changing the controls over L mess with L cancel? [/derp]

 

[MonkUnit]

If you set L to special or something, of course it would mess with your L canceling as it isn't using shield.

 

[Shadic]

L canceling doesn't mean the L button. It means lag-canceling. Which can be done with any shield button.

 

[GP&B]

Well, I'm intrigued. Though contrary to what my avatar may make you assume, I'm not really interested in Tink that much. lol

And going offtopic here, does anyone know where to find character specific Melee sfx? Stuff like Ness' double jump sound. Been looking for a while now and I would really appreciate it.

I don't if anyone has done any character specific SFX, just the general SFX you've probably heard in a couple videos. I'm interested in seeing more general swing sounds (punches, sword swings, kicks, etc.) along with character specific stuff (or at least make Yoshi sound less like a rubber duck). I like Ness' "psychic" sounds more in 64 and Melee too.

 

[Stevo]

were not crush buddies anymore?????

=(

of course we are!

may I change my avatar, crush lord?


all the cool people l-cancel with L button

Spoiler

I'm pretty sure they don't

 

[crush]

of course we are!

may I change my avatar, crush lord?


all the cool people l-cancel with L button

Spoiler

I'm pretty sure they don't

you like crush cream soda? i like it too, just dont get why the bottle is pink when the drink is clear.

 

[Octorox]

So I have to ask why Pokemon Stadium 1 was frozen. The transforming version was totally viable in Melee? I'm pretty "eh" about any changes to Melee stages.

 

[MonkUnit]

We froze PS1 due to Brawl's windmill being stupid with how the collisions work. We cannot recreate Melee's PS1 windmill yet, so for now, we have it frozen.

 

[Octorox]

We froze PS1 due to Brawl's windmill being stupid with how the collisions work. We cannot recreate Melee's PS1 windmill yet, so for now, we have it frozen.

okay, that makes sense.

 

[hotdogturtle]

Yeah, but isn't PS1 frozen on the Grass stage? That's different enough to be its own stage; it's not like it's a clone of frozen PS2.

 

[Octorox]

Yeah, but isn't PS1 frozen on the Grass stage? That's different enough to be its own stage; it's not like it's a clone of frozen PS2.

I know, it's just, i think melee stages should stay as is, nostalgia you know? I'm already mourning the lack of hazards on the 64 stages...

 

[TeiunBomb]

I'm personally fine with not having a hazard in Hyrule Castle (although I do think that there should be a version made when the technology becomes possible), but agree wholeheartedly. No bumper on Peach's Castle or pokémon in Saffron City fills me with great sads.

 

[Strong Badam]

However, no Melee Link mains think he sucks. Only those who have just picked him up and played with him would, because he has no B&B stuff like Marth's fair and fsmash or Shiek's ftilt and fair. You need to understand all of his moves equally in order to do well with him.

It's not so much that said Melee Link character mains are pro as it is that they are the few competitive players who actually took the time to practice with him and unlock his full potential, and go to tourneys.

ok. who are you..? where's the evidence of your skill with Melee Link, why should I care your opinion on Link? who is btw a bad character.

TL; DR: It's not the inexperienced players I'm worried about. If experienced Link players could do well without all of the above, however, imagine how well they can do with it.

yeah they might actually be able to win tournaments with their main rather than settling for "I do decently well with Link in tournament."

Almost all of the Link buffs were in one way or another specifically suggested by Skler. He analyzed what Link needed to compete competitively, not to completely destroy every character.

if you want to make a case for Link being godlike, then win tournaments with him against players that are better than you who have experience against PM Link. sick of people expecting us to perfectly balance this game before release; we need tournament data to figure out what characters are lacking and what they need, and what is too good. we can only do so much with only ~30 active playtesters/coders.

In other news,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYURXsIa7HY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0ozS2SHdr4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FinlKtDHhRE
more being uploaded/processed.

 

[krackizwak]

That new Charizard Taunt is awesome! Will the PMBR be putting in individual crowd cheers for the pokemon down the road?

Where there changes to Ike's UP B? I have played brawl in ages, but I don't remember it moving through the stage.