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Call me slow, but I had to read this like 10 times and still couldn't get it. Balanced way higher? What does that even mean?Ask the community of any other game that's balanced way higher than Melee and how it keeps its diversity.
A good place to start would be Marvel.
Another place would be, if you really couldn't leave the tiny genre we have for any reason, Brawl-.
I couldn't understand it either, considering Marvel is one of the least balanced competitively played games. It seems a lot like the same logic that they use for it being perfectly fine in MVC2 that the amount of competitively viable characters can be counted on one and a half hands, made even worse when you realize that it's a 3x3 game.Call me slow, but I had to read this like 10 times and still couldn't get it. Balanced way higher? What does that even mean?
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I'll be stealing this for the top players thread.
15 minutes until the police force has to mobilize.It should be out later tonight. I will murder someone if it isn't.
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This. Is. The. GREATEST. ****. OF ALL TIME!This, this this and a million times this
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Did my set with dsf not get recorded?
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e: oooooh wait I never... actually thought to use fsmash for anything punishable on shield like at 1:00. I am learning today
I'm actually surprised that you think that. I wasn't excited by much.Yeah, DSF is by far the best metaknight I've seen/played. Oro has a really good one as well.
This, this this and a million times this
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I'm actually surprised that you think that. I wasn't excited by much.
Which upsets me because I idolized him and his crew back in 06-07
"Gather the faithful and propose a toast... to the epoch of indifference..."
Balanced higher means that the characters are balanced at a point to where their bottom tiers are still better than most other fighting game top tiers, as a way of putting it.Call me slow, but I had to read this like 10 times and still couldn't get it. Balanced way higher? What does that even mean?
I couldn't understand it either, considering Marvel is one of the least balanced competitively played games. It seems a lot like the same logic that they use for it being perfectly fine in MVC2 that the amount of competitively viable characters can be counted on one and a half hands, made even worse when you realize that it's a 3x3 game.
I'm not certain about MVC3, but even if it does have a little better balance than MVC2, it probably isn't that balanced all the same.
I meant Marvel 3 (probably should've said that because people are making MvC2 excuses), and it is balanced way better. Marvel 2 was an accident just like Melee was, and had about as many viable characters as Melee did (which is pretty bad considering the cast was twice the size lol). Marvel 3 actually had real effort put into it from a competitive standpoint, there's a pretty defined top tier, but most of the cast is still really good. It's a game that's balanced really high, and it's not a huge rushdown slugfest all the time either, MorDoom being an infamous duo to do the exact opposite. Shuma is even a character considered to be pretty bad an he was on Angelic's team who got third at EVO. I understand the concept 3 characters can balance out 1 bad character more than 1v1, but just remember the other player can use 3 top tiers just as much as Fox vs Bowser or something can happen in Melee. You still put yourself at a general disadvantage. If a character that's much closer to the bottom of the tier list than the top can get to top 3 at EVO, I'd say that's more balanced than Melee.big quote that mentioned some other thread I can't find so I have to reply here instead
Is Melee poorly balanced because the characters at the bottom are terrible (Partially) or because the characters at the top are so overpowering in comparison that there's very little that anyone below them can do? You essentially make the argument that Melee is unbalanced and yet you're against any level of changing the top tiers to make them more reasonable characters. Why is it unreasonable to remove 1 frame invincibility from characters that can not only defend with, but attack and completely reverse the flow of battle with it?I meant Marvel 3 (probably should've said that because people are making MvC2 excuses), and it is balanced way better. Marvel 2 was an accident just like Melee was, and had about as many viable characters as Melee did (which is pretty bad considering the cast was twice the size lol). Marvel 3 actually had real effort put into it from a competitive standpoint, there's a pretty defined top tier, but most of the cast is still really good. It's a game that's balanced really high, and it's not a huge rushdown slugfest all the time either, MorDoom being an infamous duo to do the exact opposite. Shuma is even a character considered to be pretty bad an he was on Angelic's team who got third at EVO. I understand the concept 3 characters can balance out 1 bad character more than 1v1, but just remember the other player can use 3 top tiers just as much as Fox vs Bowser or something can happen in Melee. You still put yourself at a general disadvantage. If a character that's much closer to the bottom of the tier list than the top can get to top 3 at EVO, I'd say that's more balanced than Melee.
The same concept exists in many other games, you can balance high without detracting from diversity gameplay. It's probably EASIER than trying to balance to more reasonable levels because making characters with extremes are generally more black and white to put together than characters that are very average with less potent defining qualities.
Fair enough, perhaps using Marvel as my example was the wrong choice, they had the ability to patch it, I guess they just either didn't want to or couldn't. I do know that they have released a few patches to SSF4 so far, what with their patch to Arcade Edition, and Ultra's likely balance adjustments so perhaps that's a better comparison.Actually, Pwn, UMvC3 has received one patch so far, and that was wayyyyyyy early on in the game's lifecycle (within about a week and a half of release, iirc). The only thing it adjusted was the invincibility on one of Phoenix Wright's assists during Turnabout Mode (as in, completely took away its invincible properties), and it gave Chris the ability to cancel his flamethrower into launcher/other specials. Capcom has also formally announced that they have no plans on revisiting the game, as the lion's share of the original team went to work on other projects for the company, and Marvel is stingy with renewing their licenses (supposedly).
Just throwing that out there.
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I love how this fully describes how I feel about 2.6 as a whole. XDThis, this this and a million times this
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