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that being sad, let me repeat it once again. this is a serious topic. dont flame or troll or go off topic because the title tells you that this cannot be the case here. keep it respectful, alright?
ok i was wondering what the worst matchups in melee are. i know we have a matchup chart but its primary goal is to be a guideline on who is supposed to have the upper hand in the matchup. and it doesnt really show how certain characters get ***** by cheapness and it would also be nice to hear objective opinions on this.
when i made my thoughts on that i came to the conclusion that peach, for instance, is a character that gets ***** a lot. this is because peach is this borderline between high and low tier, so she is often played and therefore top tiers know the matchup pretty well but shes also not good enough to keep upt with the higher tier metagame. low tiers have this factor of surprising but peach does not have this.
so one of the most **** matchups for peach are fox, jigglypuff, falcon and ntsc sheik. i would say peach - jigglypuff is 80:20 for jigglypuff because jigglypuff has the backair projectile which can cut through turnips and outranges everything what peach got. also you can combo backair, utilt, uair into rest, a move that kills peach at 12% and is very cheap and people who need to play gay with puff in order to have a slight chance of winning tend to suck with other characters at this game too which means they suck overall.
then theres the (NTSC) fox vs peach which is a 90:10 matchup for fox. if the fox is campy he can get 40% each stock with laser and then on ore two nairs and the peach is in killing range. an usmash kills at 80%(!) which is insane. plus one waveshine is an instant usmash set up -> every stock is an autokill and thats really some sort of cheapness and definately unwinnable for peach except youre a god.
but its also interesting that we got a 100:0 matchup with sheik - pikachu which is, i guess, the worst in ssbm. only because of the cheap chaingrab and thats something not only pikachu affects but also peach.
so yeah, maybe i post some more unwinnable matchups later but just tell me what do you consider to be unwinnable in super smash brothers melee. dont be scared to go into in depth strategies or situations that this all concerns.
that being sad, let me repeat it once again. this is a serious topic. dont flame or troll or go off topic because the title tells you that this cannot be the case here. keep it respectful, alright?
ok i was wondering what the worst matchups in melee are. i know we have a matchup chart but its primary goal is to be a guideline on who is supposed to have the upper hand in the matchup. and it doesnt really show how certain characters get ***** by cheapness and it would also be nice to hear objective opinions on this.
when i made my thoughts on that i came to the conclusion that peach, for instance, is a character that gets ***** a lot. this is because peach is this borderline between high and low tier, so she is often played and therefore top tiers know the matchup pretty well but shes also not good enough to keep upt with the higher tier metagame. low tiers have this factor of surprising but peach does not have this.
so one of the most **** matchups for peach are fox, jigglypuff, falcon and ntsc sheik. i would say peach - jigglypuff is 80:20 for jigglypuff because jigglypuff has the backair projectile which can cut through turnips and outranges everything what peach got. also you can combo backair, utilt, uair into rest, a move that kills peach at 12% and is very cheap and people who need to play gay with puff in order to have a slight chance of winning tend to suck with other characters at this game too which means they suck overall.
then theres the (NTSC) fox vs peach which is a 90:10 matchup for fox. if the fox is campy he can get 40% each stock with laser and then on ore two nairs and the peach is in killing range. an usmash kills at 80%(!) which is insane. plus one waveshine is an instant usmash set up -> every stock is an autokill and thats really some sort of cheapness and definately unwinnable for peach except youre a god.
but its also interesting that we got a 100:0 matchup with sheik - pikachu which is, i guess, the worst in ssbm. only because of the cheap chaingrab and thats something not only pikachu affects but also peach.
so yeah, maybe i post some more unwinnable matchups later but just tell me what do you consider to be unwinnable in super smash brothers melee. dont be scared to go into in depth strategies or situations that this all concerns.
each 90:10 is pretty extreme. Hardly any matchup is that bad imo.
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