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Yes. But popularity is also imporant. Jinx/Lickitung/Kadabra may be perfectly compatible as fighters, but how many people see them being the one who will be chosen as the next new Pokemon character?
And yet all of those popular Pokèmon seem to be exactly the ones getting shoved into Pokèballs.
But if they weren't popular, they wouldn't even BE in balls, isn't that right? It's a two-way street for popular pokemon, either you make the cut as playable or you get shafted as a ball. Non-popular pokemon get no end of the stick.
you know blaziken has a pretty slim chance. think of charzards popularity in the production time of ssb and he didnt get in. but two games later and hes in brawl. that also means we already got a fire guy. in my mind lucario is just more stand out.
So IGN doesn't look at forums on their web-site even if they constantly talk about said forums? Im clearly taking into account that they have massive access to their forum's vibes. . . they are not 70% of your friends.
Whats your point? IGN is all about gaming and has forums to talk about it. They know about a site that many forums cite as having info on Mother things in smash.
So your saying that they looked at the forum talk. . . .which was my point.
You have rambled on about nothing of substance. IGN = Huge site full of forums and fans to talk about things and the people there cleary look at their forums. . . .whats your point?
I completely agree with this.
well that's because torchic doesn't have as much potential (movewise) than Blazakin, but even myself a Blazakin supporter am beginning to wonder if Blazakin was even considered by Sakurai as a playable character, well seeing that Capt. Falcon will be in Brawl, it is looking bad for Blazakin due it's fire type attacks that Falcon possesess already, but still I really would like to see Blazakin confirmed as a playable character just for the fun off pissin' off people saying "OMG! Blazakin actually got confirmed"
So it seems that your only point was to simply say "IGN takes input from forums", that's all?
I'm afraid you're going to have to back up what you say. What would be more unique Pokemon?
You say it is not true, but WHY is it not true? Who else could be better picks than them?
That would be virtually impossible given Lucario's pressence in 4th gen. Sakurai would have HAD to consider Lucario at least for a minute of his time.
*sigh* It sure sounds like you're saying Lucario won't likely make it.
Dedede is a Pokemon? o.O
Well, ask yourself what can Lucario bring to this game? He's just a fighting/steel type. I don't see anything really special about that.
There are tons of Pokemon that could bring a lot to this game. Pokemon Trainer proves that even if those characters are/were under consideration there was others that we had no idea about.
Go argue this with Black/Light.
No, I'm saying that he's not "confirmed" like so many people believe he is because of all of the other Pokemon deconfirmations. My point is, is that Sakurai might have had another Pokemon on his mind.
I thought that was quite obvious, as I said "characters".
. . .Im sorry but do you happen to have ADD? You where the one talking about how they put oh soooo much research into Smash character predictions (Like Duck Hunt Dog!
) and I simply said that they are basing their stuff on their forums which are full of Lucario fan-boys (as in, no better guess than ours). Than you went off into Starman crap. . . I've said it so many times I can't count..
Again:
Nah, he's just a typical anti-Lucario troll who never knows when he's beat. He''ll support anything as long as it's not Lucario. I'm not even going to respond to him anymore.
Not ridiculously popular.. just popular. Why can't something just be plain popular?
Who would be a good candidate?
Just wanted to be sure, that's all. It'd be a shame if no new characters make it in anymore, however.
A mystic martial artist... how exciting...
I'm not going to try to guess which of them would be on Sakurai's mind...
That may be, I have to say that Lucario would be a much better choice than the many electric rats that have been suggested on this forum.
Yeah... I was just meaning he's popular... nothing more.
Of course, I didn't say that.
Cubone! ^_^
Have you seen him in action in the anime?
Glad we can agree on that.
Good show.
Marowak is my favorite ground-type of 1st gen.
Of course. The sensible pro-Lucario fans have always known that it's not 100% guaranteed. If we can agree that he is a possibility, then we're crystal cool.
C'mon, dude, you can't deny that Mewtwo's character in Melee was inspired far more by the movie than the game. From the voice, to the way he uses his attacks, Mewtwo didn't HAVE a personality and voice in the games. The same applies to Pikachu, it's even the same voice actor.
Eh, you brought up Pikachu, Mewtwo and Pokemon Trainer..
Alright, that is fair.
Well, he did use his tail in Mirage Master, actually. that "shadow claw" was made up for the game also.
That isn't true, because he'd still have been the ultimate 1st gen pokemon. A movie would definitely fit around him.
..The difference being, that Lucario's movie actually held more significance to the game than Mewtwo's did? Because that's what it sounds like you are saying.. XD
Hm, you are right. It's possible that Lucario's appeal comes from his ninja-like combat qualities in a time where Naruto is very popular here. At the same time, that "shonen" feel of Lucario is probably what also makes him popular in Japan.
..But that reason DOES make sense.
I personally thought that Deoxys' movie was terrible. Though that's because I was hoping for an actual villainous Deoxys.
The movies are not THAT important. BUT they DO factor into the whole equation.
The Mirage Master movie came long after Melee, so if anything, Mewtwo using the tail in the anime was influenced by SSBM.
I meant that Mewtwo's movie did continue something from the show while Lucario's movie was not continuing anything from the show.
Some people claim Jigglypuff was in the original because it was too difficult to make Pit, so they made Jigglypuff because they can base some attacks off of Kirby while also keeping a general shape. They can also say Jigglypuff was in Melee from lack of time. Therefore Jigglypuff isn't proof of anything.
The question is, how much of the equation? If a Pokemon got in, it's personalities are based on the anime; however, that does not mean roles in the anime/movie have as much as an influence in determining who gets in. Lucario had one movie and merchandise that came out with the movie. What else does he have? You could argue that there's only one egg that your trainer can get in D/P, but others could argue back that Darkrai is an event Pokemon, which makes him more rare. I want to see other arguements besides the anime and merchandise that goes with the anime and popularity.
..Wait a minute, because "some people claim" this, that means Jigglypuff isn't proof of anything??
That's completely semantics. "predicting who was chosen" and "predicting who's going to make it" essentially mean the same thing..
but you DID ask for a way that Lucario could have made it into SE with a background, which I presented. Is it not viable?
Besides that, he was also the highest rank you could get in Pokemon Mystery Dungeon, and one of the first 4th gen pokemon revealed. He is also one of the costumes you can unlock in Battle Revolution(of which all the costumes are of popular pokemon). The monster itself is unique despite what others say, not just from his appearance that takes from mythic and Egyptian overtones, but also the fact that it's among the few pokemon that have moves that can almost be considered 'signature moves'. Pikachu has thunder/shock/bolt, Jigglypuff has Sing, Mewtwo has Psychic/Shadow Ball, Squirtle has Withdraw/WaterGun, Ivysaur has Vinewhip, Charizard has Flamethrower, and Lucario has Aura Sphere, a move that feels very 'Lucario-y', there are many pokemon that simply don't have moves that personafy into their character as much. Moves that seemed to be made for that Pokemon. Lucario is the 'Aura Pokemon' after all, a Pokemon that can see the aura of all living things, predict an opponent's thoughts and actions through their aura, and can actually understand human speech and dialogue instead of just commands(these are all Pokedex info, not anime info).
:Stands up and gives PyrasTerran a standing ovation: Great job. If I could I'd declare you the winner just for that speech.. but I can't. I'm being serious too, I know sarcasm is hard to detect on forums.
*Starts a slow clap* This is mush of what I have been saying to the lala land Lucario fan-boys.
I know, that's the killer.
If you use Pokemon Trainer..Loowis... Charizard is playable.
*Starts a slow clap*
Really, I don't "hate" the thing nor am I "anti-Lucario" but I can't seem to find one Lucario-fanboy with a solid reason that isn't either "It's fighting typed" or some mad grasping at straws to find lil things that Sakurai could very well have never tooken into account. With every pokemon in Smash theres a clear cut reason for them to be in. . . not a small hill made of lil events and observations. The only reason I even debate the thing is because it's fan-boys are sooo annoying and arrogant that anything pokemon related adds up to "more chances for Lucario!" or the thing being "99% confirmed" to some of them. I truely think some of them are on drugs or live in a surreal land. . .
And I wont be braking the un-written rule of trying to get actual debate on a support thread for a character again to those who where there. Basicly adds up to "fan-boy yells and other fan-boys prise said fan-boy".
-Being the highest rank in Mystery Dungeon doesn't really mean anything. Like I said, look at Gardevoir, who had an important role in the story.
harizard,squirtle,ivysaur in via pokemon trainer.meowth,deoxys and muchlax are assist trophys. I also dont think blazikean will be in due to the fact that torchic is a assist trophy(just thought that might be a sign that hes not in).
WOW, NO ONE knew that...you must be a firggin geniousconfirmed news
sorry if this has been repeated by a lot of people but i just wanted to point it out
Well thank you for your understanding. Im all for people just wanting him in because they like him (Like yourself) because thats how I support any character I want. My lil rants are the by-produce of, such as Yukiwarashi said, the "rabid Lucario fans with their "LOL, another Pokemon crushed! Lucario's so going to be in!" attitude".
Lucario is the most likely 4thgeneration Pokemon to be playable in Brawl. After that is Pachirisu, and then nothing. Not having a 4th generation rep would be weird, but the scenario is plausible. At this point I can't see any RSE Pokemon being playable, with Gardevoir deconfirmed, and Blaziken on its death bed.
The flaw in your arguments is that you pick them apart individually. See, together, they mean nothing.
I'd appreciate it if you could get your facts straight. While I am pleased that you FINALLY have an answer to this point, it's not a very good one. Sure, they were hyping the movie, but it wasn't just the movie. Note how Bonsly, Weavile, Mime Jr., and Munchlax were all promoted heavily, too. Granted, they were all in the movie, but only Munchlax and Weavile had any relevance whatsoever.
Amen. Let's stop with the Sandman Question, peoples.