Pokemon Battle! Which Pokemon deserves a Brawl spot the most?

[Kips]

Actually, Kenji, that is much more of what I'd like to see in arguements. Your moveset has convinced me that he would not be overly bland. Now if you could just please show me something that confirms his massive popularity I would be sold.

Also: Viki for Brawl! /ShamelessAdvertisement

 

[corpse_humper]

I almost killed you. Just then.


Try nair fair bair u-air dair d-smash dash attack u-smash side-b neutral b all grabs

>

forward smash, down+b (which technically could have been given to mario and luigi as well), up+b, taunt

If you want to think of it like that then no character (other than maybe Sonic) in Brawl has a moveset similar to the moves they use in the game. (I hope I worded that right >.>)

Thats from Journey Across America. A Nintendo Event where they toured Malls across America and gave out four of those Pokémon at level 70 and Celebi also at Level 70. I know because I went to it in the Roosevelt Field Mall in NY. Got Dragonite, Typhlosion, Tyranitar, and Articuno which I gave to my Friend for driving me.

Thanks for clearing things up. I found the picture a couple weeks ago and was wondering where it was from.

So what did Serebii actually say about Lucario? I heard he denies any roster listing with Mewtwo in it and not lucario.

He never said/hinted anything on here about it (I checked through all his posts).

BUT....on GFAQS people claim to have seen Serebii say that lucario was in or something along those lines, but of course the topic/post was already deleted since this was quite a while ago so no real proof, though I do remember him mentioning that he let it slip out or something a while ago (Memory a little fuzzy). Whether it was a rumor or not I don't ,know but if Serebii's denying it that means either:

A: He never said it and is trying to put a stop to the rumors.
B: He is try to make a cover so he wont get a lawsuit or w/e.
C: He did it for the lulz.

Whatever it maybe, he has showed that he is not so sure about his sources using stuff like "I'm not 100% sure, but...." or "If my sources are correct..." proving that whatever he says isn't fact.


Well there's my take on the whole Serebii situation. Take it as you will.

Lucario is popular.
Prove me wrong.

I have no official proof of lucario standing in terms of popularity, but assuming you don't either....

lucario's main purpose was to look cool and mysterious as to hype up d/p. Since d/p release his "popularity" took a turn for the worst since the rest of the 4th gen stole the limelight from him. Not to mention that one thing that made him "popular" was the movie he co-starred in which came out in 05 in Japan and September 06 in the states.

^All opinions and guesses.

 

[PyrasTerran]

Lucario was selected as a candidate for playability during the IGN Smash it Up feature, and he's been selected by many leakers, including Serebii, for the same thing.

Aren't these clues as to how popular Lucario is?

 

[-Knux-]

Lucario seems bland to me.
No depth.
An anthropomorphic jackal that shoots lazur beams.
With a voice sounding like he lives entirely on cigars of questionable origin.
Mudkip has more depth. He's Mudkip.

A human-like jackal that shoots energy balls and has a smoker's voice is BLAND? Wow. I wonder what you actually call depth. You sure gave a good description describing Mudkip's "depth."

Personally, I would give a warm welcome to Blaziken if it did make it to Brawl, but I'm leaning towards Lucario. Honestly, either one is fine, but Lucario is more of what I would like to play. He's just my type.

 

[rayecho]

Lucario seems bland to me.
No depth.
An anthropomorphic jackal that shoots lazur beams.
With a voice sounding like he lives entirely on cigars of questionable origin.
Mudkip has more depth. He's Mudkip.

Do you think Lucario is bland because you dont like him as a character or you just want something to hate on him?

 

[Kips]

I think he's bland because he's really not that appealing to me. I just don't like him in general. Eh, and I like the Eevee/lutions more anyways.

 

[CCC07]

Lucario is bland and his aura sphere is just a rip off of dbz. his movie was also garage though
most pokemon movies suck. he also sucked in the game. they should just stick to 1st gen. pokemon

 

[corpse_humper]

Lucario is bland and his aura sphere is just a rip off of dbz. his movie was also garage though
most pokemon movies suck. he also sucked in the game. they should just stick to 1st gen. pokemon

IIRC he is in the OU on the teir list for d/p.

 

[MysticKenji]

his movie was also garage though most pokemon movies suck.

...XD
Did you possibly mean garbage?

he also sucked in the game.

No, he doesn't.

 

[CCC07]

yes he does suck he cant even take one earthquake and the reason he's a tier for
D/P is because the rest of them were so ****y.

 

[PyrasTerran]

..most monsters with a mid-to-low defense and a weakness to earth can't take earthquake, that doesn't prove much of anything.

 

[Pluvius]

That's true. I don't like Lucario one bit compared to others, and I don't see any proof of his extreme popularity other then a few people telling me so.

From Wikipedia:

Lucario is used by Maylene, the third Sinnoh Gym Leader, a tag-team partner known as Riley, and by Cynthia, Sinnoh's Elite Four Champion.

Currently, one Lucario card is available outside of Japan. There is also a Lucario Lv. X card that is to be released in the card set Diamond and Pearl: Mysterious Treasures on August 22nd. Update: This card is released, and it is Holo-foil, so it's super rare. Check your local collectible store for said card.

In the opening sequence to the American dub of Pokémon: Advanced Battle, Lucario is seen resting against a tree with Mew flying around. Lucario has also made several cameo appearances, one of which was in the 9th season, Pokémon Battle Frontier.

Lucario is seen standing with Palkia and Dialga in the current opening sequence of the American version of the Pokémon Diamond and Pearl television show.

From Bulbapedia on Lucario as a species:

In the Pokémon movie Lucario and the Mystery of Mew, Lucario is considered a legend from olden times to the town where it appears in front of Ash Ketchum and his friends.

Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Lucario is seen as the greatest rescue leader of all time, and his adventures have become legendary. While the player never meets Lucario, Alakazam tells the player that his goal is to become closer to Lucario's greatness. Earning 15,000 Rescue Points will put the player in the top rank - the Lucario rank - at which point the Lucario statue will be displayed outside the rescue base.

[Lucario is] the first non-legendary Pokémon to be in a central role in a Pokémon movie.

From Bulbapedia on Lucario & the Mystery of Mew:

Other than Lucario whose role is most significant, Regice, Regirock and Registeel are three more main Pokémon characters.

This is the second movie in which a character dies and is not resurrected. The first was Pokémon Heroes, where Latios sacrificed himself to save Alto Mare from a humongous tidal wave. This time two characters died, Lucario, and Sir Aaron.

his is the only Pokémon movie so far that does not have a legendary Pokémon as the main featured Pokémon.

From Bulbapedia on Lucario as the specific anime character:

He is able to communicate in human language via telepathy.

Lucario is one of few Pokémon capable of telepathy. All others were legendary. The only other Pokémon capable of speaking telepathically that was bipedal was Mewtwo, & he earned himself a playable spot in Melee. Lucario is worthy of standing with to legendaries, as has been made obvious multiple times. Lucario dies in the movie in which he is featured, which is a gripping moment that has to have caused more people than just me to respect him all the more. Lucario is the only non-legendary Pokémon to star in a movie, which is amazing by itself, but only Mewtwo has starred alongside Mew before. Despite being non-legendary, Lucario is an integral part of Pokémon mythos, & is widely respected, as is made evident by the Alakazam in Mystery Dungeon & the rank in said game. Lucario is used by a Gym Leader, in addition to all this. Lucario apparently seemed legendary enough to be theorized to be legendary when little was known about him. I have seen multiple Japanese Lucario cards' pictures before, as well as a few in person. Given his young age, that's quite a few cards to have been released since his own release. It wouldn't surprise me if he has had at least one card per set. The Level X card is a promo; I know this without a source as I own it. It comes in its own tin, & is sold alongside tins for the final evolutions of the Diamond & Pearl starters. Lucario is iconic enough of the 4th generation to be the face of a product like that.

 

[Kips]

I stand corrected. However, I disagree with CCC. Lucario most definitely is not '****' in the games. He stands at the top of the tier list due to his excellent speed and offenses, good defenses and his flexibility. I believe he is the ONLY pokemon that gets STAB on Reversal AND an immunity to Sandstorm, one of the few pokemon actual excellent mixed sweepers and he just plain kicks butt in the games.

In Explanation for my hatred of Lucario- Simple- If he's in, Eevee/lutions are out. That's reason enough for me.

 

[MysticKenji]

yes he does suck he cant even take one earthquake and the reason he's a tier for
D/P is because the rest of them were so ****y.

1. Neither can Infernape
2. However, that's irrelevant because he's a sweeper so he shouldn't be taking hits anyway.
3. He doesn't suck.
4. @bolded: lolwut?
5. *facepalm*
6. Learnthingsaboutthisgamekthx

 

[Night Avenger]

Lucario is bland and his aura sphere is just a rip off of dbz. his movie was also garage though
most pokemon movies suck. he also sucked in the game. they should just stick to 1st gen. pokemon

I've just got to LOL. REALLY LOUD.

Aura Sphere = Rip-off of DBZ? XD Please tell me you didn't say that... In most asian cultures people believed the body's energy (called aura, ki, etc) could be controlled to move things or even to concentrate it on someone's hand, creating a small ball of energy after some proper meditation. Some buddhist monks are known to be able to do this. So if Lucario = DBZ Rip-off then DBZ = Asian culture rip-off.

His movie was garage? Ok I don't know what you meant but if you meant garbage then... EXCUSE ME? Lucario and the Mystery of Mew won the prize for the Anime Movie of the Year in 2006. How is that a gar(b)age? I dunno, you tell me.

He sucked in the game? XD Lucario is pretty good in the game if used properly. He's one of the most unpredictable Pokémon as his types are clearly physical types but his stats are clearly special attack based. If you see a Lucario in a battle then you've got to be prepared for ANY type of attack.

They should stick to first gen... So they could've stopped selling like 10 years ago. I HEARD YOU LIEK REMAKEZ. You must really like them if you wish they really "sticked to first gen". Pokémon's 4th gen is really Underrated IMO. I really liked some of the pokémon in there as well as didn't like some as much. But no hate here. They all seemed good to me.

 

[Pluvius]

In Explanation for my hatred of Lucario- Simple- If he's in, Eevee/lutions are out. That's reason enough for me.

Eevee & evolutions as a PC? There are ****ing 8 of them, including Eevee. That would be a ridiculous number of transformations. Now, Eevee as a Pokéball Pokémon would be great. Imagine if it was an Eevee that popped out, then evolved & did whatever. The randomness of it would cause some fun panic.

 

[Fawriel]

One completely outlandish and cool solution to the Eevee evolution problem... would be to have a character who is a whole FAMILY of Eeveelutions. They're all there prancing around in the background while one of them is fighting on the battlefield and can be switched out in favor of one of the "benched" Eeveelutions.
No chance in hell that it'd happen, but darn it would be awesome.

 

[Pluvius]

There would still be 8 of them. That's a really big number.

 

[Kips]

As the leader of the Eevee/lution Movement I have one thing to say to you.

Wah, cry about it.

Eight of them? Ridiculous? Isn't that where the fun starts? It's not like one of them knocks down Ganondorf and we go into a strange porn gan-... Well you get the idea.

The point is that there are EIGHT of them resulting in a crazy hard learning curve and a strange but overly versatile PC that can seriously confuse tons of people, the player included.

 

[Catmunnies]

Why not have Eevee's Final Smash be 7 stones appearing on the stage, each one giving him/her a different transformation, and you'll have to choose the form best suited for the situation. Not that I think Eevee will be in Brawl. I think a diamond & pearl character is more likely to appear, along with Jiggs and hopefully Mewtwo.

 

[crazyrockboy]

I think Lucario deserves the smash bros spotlight. he's already proving to be one of the most popular pokemon ever and the fact he is afighting type would mean he fits in perfectly with the rest of the crowd.

 

[=Samus-Aran=]

Lucario. He would be fun to play as.

 

[corpse_humper]

Lucario is used by Maylene, the third Sinnoh Gym Leader, a tag-team partner known as Riley, and by Cynthia, Sinnoh's Elite Four Champion.

Irrelevant.

Currently, one Lucario card is available outside of Japan. There is also a Lucario Lv. X card that is to be released in the card set Diamond and Pearl: Mysterious Treasures on August 22nd. Update: This card is released, and it is Holo-foil, so it's super rare. Check your local collectible store for said card.

Again Irrelevant.

In the opening sequence to the American dub of Pokémon: Advanced Battle, Lucario is seen resting against a tree with Mew flying around. Lucario has also made several cameo appearances, one of which was in the 9th season, Pokémon Battle Frontier.

Irrelevant.

Could you show me the part where he's there anyways? I was looking for him, but found nothing.

Lucario is seen standing with Palkia and Dialga in the current opening sequence of the American version of the Pokémon Diamond and Pearl television show.

See replies 1, 2 & 3

In the Pokémon movie Lucario and the Mystery of Mew, Lucario is considered a legend from olden times to the town where it appears in front of Ash Ketchum and his friends.

See replies 1, 2, 3, & 4

Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Lucario is seen as the greatest rescue leader of all time, and his adventures have become legendary. While the player never meets Lucario, Alakazam tells the player that his goal is to become closer to Lucario's greatness. Earning 15,000 Rescue Points will put the player in the top rank - the Lucario rank - at which point the Lucario statue will be displayed outside the rescue base.

So? Out of the 386 pokemon you can recruit, the only way lucario appears in the game is by a rank and a mention from Alakazam?

Fail reason is fail.

[Lucario is] the first non-legendary Pokémon to be in a central role in a Pokémon movie.

Anime is irrelevant to a character's chances but this is also wrong

Unown says hi

And he also only co-stared with Mew and Pikachu.

Other than Lucario whose role is most significant, Regice, Regirock and Registeel are three more main Pokémon characters.

This is the second movie in which a character dies and is not resurrected. The first was Pokémon Heroes, where Latios sacrificed himself to save Alto Mare from a humongous tidal wave. This time two characters died, Lucario, and Sir Aaron.

Again, Anime = Relevant to nothing

his is the only Pokémon movie so far that does not have a legendary Pokémon as the main featured Pokémon.
:

See 3 replies before this.

He is able to communicate in human language via telepathy.

Anime =/= Games = Where the pokemon are based off of.



almost done....

Lucario is one of few Pokémon capable of telepathy. All others were legendary. The only other Pokémon capable of speaking telepathically that was bipedal was Mewtwo, & he earned himself a playable spot in Melee.

Anime only again and even if he had it that wouldn't do anything for his chances

Lucario is worthy of standing with the legendaries, as has been made obvious multiple times. Lucario dies in the movie in which he is featured, which is a gripping moment that has to have caused more people than just me to respect him all the more.

What is this I don't even......

Lucario is the only non-legendary Pokémon to star in a movie, which is amazing by itself, but only Mewtwo has starred alongside Mew before

See before responses......

Despite being non-legendary, Lucario is an integral part of Pokémon mythos, & is widely respected, as is made evident by the Alakazam in Mystery Dungeon & the rank in said game.

*sigh*

Lucario is used by a Gym Leader, in addition to all this.

.........

Lucario apparently seemed legendary enough to be theorized to be legendary when little was known about him.

..........................................................

I have seen multiple Japanese Lucario cards' pictures before, as well as a few in person. Given his young age, that's quite a few cards to have been released since his own release. It wouldn't surprise me if he has had at least one card per set.

4 cards total not counting promos. Which is not a lot at all considering d/p has been out since 9/28/06 in Japan.

The Level X card is a promo; I know this without a source as I own it. It comes in its own tin, & is sold alongside tins for the final evolutions of the Diamond & Pearl starters.

They were celebrating the movie's release. Nothing more.

Lucario is iconic enough of the 4th generation to be the face of a product like that.

If anything that title goes to the starters or at the very least Munchlax, but definetly not lucario.

 

[Wrath`]

LUcARiOz FErzzZ BRawLZzz GuysZZZ

but if thing go right i wouldn't mind seeingf him, if sakura could do a maxium character update we could fighure from there

 

[ComradeCanada]

 

[Kips]

Yeah, I have to admit Pluvius, that post was kind of redundant in spots. But I'm getting off topic-
Who says a pokemon has to be legendary or non-legendary to obtain a slot. Does Jigglypuff look legendary to you? How about Pikachu? How about... Pichu? And the only legendary in the last one, Mewtwo, frankly sucked. I don't see that affecting the chances involved.

 

[MysticKenji]

gg Kips .

 

[InVaDeR GiRtEnKz NaP]

Mankee or Primape. HONESTLY

 

[Catmunnies]

I would like to see one of Treeko's evolved forms in Brawl. I hate Lucario. He's a weaker version of Mewtwo and to me he looks ********. The only 2 things I do like about him are that he has spikes on his paws and the fact that he doesn't look nearly as ******** as 3/4 of all the pokemon in diamond and pearl.
Btw, does anyone have a picture of Treeko's 3rd stage. I don't no what it looks like.

 

[Tyrannotaur]

Anime is irrelevant to a character's chances
Again, Anime = Relevant to nothing
Anime =/= Games = Where the pokemon are based off of.

I don't see how something in the Pokémon anime is irrelevant to a character's chances in smash. Pichu got in due to his popularity from the Pichu Brother's Specials. That is the same reason why in SSBM Pichu hurts himself. Jigglypuff got in due to her popularity in the Pokémon anime as a popular side character. Pikachu got in due to being the mascot of the franchise, but also because of the anime. Everyone know who Pikachu is. Everyone knows that he is Ash's main Pokémon or at least would recognize Ash if they saw him. Mewtwo as well is inspired by it's movie. Why would they give it shadow ball if it wasn't at least somewhat inspired by the movie where it uses shadow ball quite frequently? It doesn't even learn shadow ball by level up. Pokémon Trainer seems to be the only character from the series that is 100% inspired from the games. I am not saying that the anime is in total control of a Pokémon characters chances in Brawl..but to say it is irrelevant and doesn't matter seems kinda foolish to me. While I think the games should be a bigger inspiration than the anime, the anime is an important inspiration for the Pokémon series. Don't rule it out.

 

[Pluvius]

Yeah, I have to admit Pluvius, that post was kind of redundant in spots. But I'm getting off topic-
Who says a pokemon has to be legendary or non-legendary to obtain a slot. Does Jigglypuff look legendary to you? How about Pikachu? How about... Pichu? And the only legendary in the last one, Mewtwo, frankly sucked. I don't see that affecting the chances involved.

Legendary helps, but all my post was doing was pointing out popularity. Anime isn't irrelevant, like corpse_hunter tried to say. Tyrannotaur said this beautifully.

 

[Invader Phantom]

LUCARIO!!

He's just so awesome.... one of my favorite Pokemon.

 

[corpse_humper]

I don't see how something in the Pokémon anime is irrelevant to a character's chances in smash. Pichu got in due to his popularity from the Pichu Brother's Specials. That is the same reason why in SSBM Pichu hurts himself.

The flavor text from the Crystal:

It is unskilled at storing electric power. Any kind of shock causes it to discharge energy spontaneously.

For Emerald:

It is still inept at retaining electricity. When it is startled, it discharges power accidentally. It gets better at holding power as it grows older.

The rest of the other texts sound similar to these to. All of them saying that Pichu is not skilled at retaining electric power/controlling it. Not to mention that the short you are talking about, the pichu's only tire themselves out when they use thundershock no Houndour.

The anime is based off the game not the other way around.

Jigglypuff got in due to her popularity in the Pokémon anime as a popular side character. Pikachu got in due to being the mascot of the franchise, but also because of the anime.

What?!

Jigglypuff was tons popular before the anime (IIRC I heard somewhere that she was runner up for the mascot spot), which is why she got her role. And even with the anime over she is still insanely popular. Do you really think that they just chose some random pokemon to be a recurring character in the anime?

And to say that the anime was one of the reasons that Pikachu got into Smash is very silly.

Mewtwo as well is inspired by it's movie. Why would they give it shadow ball if it wasn't at least somewhat inspired by the movie where it uses shadow ball quite frequently? It doesn't even learn shadow ball by level up.

Why would they give Pikachu and Charizard skullbash and Rock Smash when the don't even learn them by leveling up?

Pokémon Trainer seems to be the only character from the series that is 100% inspired from the games. I am not saying that the anime is in total control of a Pokémon characters chances in Brawl..but to say it is irrelevant and doesn't matter seems kinda foolish to me. While I think the games should be a bigger inspiration than the anime, the anime is an important inspiration for the Pokémon series. Don't rule it out.

Why would you go through the trouble of adding that "é" to Pokemon?

Legendary helps, but all my post was doing was pointing out popularity. Anime isn't irrelevant, like corpse_hunter tried to say. Tyrannotaur said this beautifully.

Legendary doesn't help at all from what we've seen in the last two smash games. Plus the fact that lucario isn't even legendary makes the statement redundant.


ANIME IS IRRELEVANT TO A CHARACTER'S CHANCES

I hope that gets the point across...

 

[Gaiash]

ANIME IS IRRELEVANT TO A CHARACTER'S CHANCES

I hope that gets the point across...

Pikachu, the star Pokemon of the anime had no major role for the games before the anime aired. Without the anime I'd say Pikachu's chances of having a playable possition in the original Smash Bros would have been slim.

 

[PyrasTerran]

I'm sorry, Corpse Hunter, but you are sorely wrong.

The anime is very influencial for the Pokemon picked.

Consider

+ Pikachu, Pichu, Jigglypuff and Mewtwo, in the game, speak through trills and animal calls, which are emulated in the 3D Pokemon Stadium games.

- But in Melee, they speak JUST LIKE their anime counterparts. In Pikachu's case, he acts just like him, too.

+ Pikachu has no significance in the games, EXCEPT for Pokemon Yellow:

- But, the only reason Yellow was even made was as an emulation of the ANIME series. It even has anime characters Team Rocket's Jessie and James as recurring antagonists in the game. Even now, the only reason Pikachu continues to be the face of Pokemon is because the main character of the anime/manga uses one.

+ Mewtwo is the most powerful pokemon of the game series, in the game series he is nothing more than an overly successul genetic experiment that escapes and goes into hiding in the caves of the game world.

- However, the Mewtwo in the game has the same voice, attitude, and attacks as the Mewtwo from the anime. He even uses his psychic projectiles in the same DBZ manner.

+ Jigglypuff has a sing attack, which has a specific tune that has not changed since the first Pokemon game.

- The Jigglypuff in Smash Bros. uses the tune not from the game, but from the ANIME.

+ Misty and Professor Oak are among the only characters given trophies in Smash Bros. Melee..

- While both are in the game, Misty in particular is not as influencial as Bill or Giovanni, the antagonist of the first game series, so why is Misty given the honor of a trophy? Because of her significance in the ANIME.

+ In Pokemon Stadium/Colosseum/Battle Revolution, the monsters use the same sound effects as their Gameboy/DS counterparts.

- In Smash Bros., the monsters have ALWAYS made the same sounds as their ANIME counterparts.




None of this is irrelevant.

The way Pokemon are portrayed in the Smash Bros. game is heavily influenced by their portrayal in both the game and the anime, and you have nothing on you that can prove otherwise, corpse hunter. Use another method to prove that Lucario won't be in the game, please.

 

[corpse_humper]

corpse humper or simply corpse. None of this Corpse Hunter business.

+ Pikachu, Pichu, Jigglypuff and Mewtwo, in the game, speak through trills and animal calls, which are emulated in the 3D Pokemon Stadium games.

- But in Melee, they speak JUST LIKE their anime counterparts. In Pikachu's case, he acts just like him, too.

No they speak like they do in the games.

When you speak to a pokemon outside of the battle field they say the beginning or whole name just like in Smash.

The GB wasn't advanced enough to include actual voices for the Pokemon to have which is why the make those "trills and crys'

+ Pikachu has no significance in the games, EXCEPT for Pokemon Yellow:

- But, the only reason Yellow was even made was as an emulation of the ANIME series. It even has anime characters Team Rocket's Jessie and James as recurring antagonists in the game. Even now, the only reason Pikachu continues to be the face of Pokemon is because the main character of the anime/manga uses one.

The reason they keep Pikachu as a mascot is because he is extremely popular and very well known.

Not really sure what this has to do with a pokemon chances or Smash though.

+ Mewtwo is the most powerful pokemon of the game series, in the game series he is nothing more than an overly successul genetic experiment that escapes and goes into hiding in the caves of the game world.

- However, the Mewtwo in the game has the same voice, attitude, and attacks as the Mewtwo from the anime. He even uses his psychic projectiles in the same DBZ manner.

The Mewtwo's voice thing is valid

Attitude and attacks originate from the game though.

And in the same DBZ manner? What?

+ Jigglypuff has a sing attack, which has a specific tune that has not changed since the first Pokemon game.

- The Jigglypuff in Smash Bros. uses the tune not from the game, but from the ANIME.

Valid but really grasping at straws here.

+ Misty and Professor Oak are among the only characters given trophies in Smash Bros. Melee..

- While both are in the game, Misty in particular is not as influencial as Bill or Giovanni, the antagonist of the first game series, so why is Misty given the honor of a trophy? Because of her significance in the ANIME.

I'm guessing she was mainly put in because of popularity but not really anything here.

+ In Pokemon Stadium/Colosseum/Battle Revolution, the monsters use the same sound effects as their Gameboy/DS counterparts.

- In Smash Bros., the monsters have ALWAYS made the same sounds as their ANIME counterparts.

Didn't you already say this?

None of this is irrelevant.

The way Pokemon are portrayed in the Smash Bros. game is heavily influenced by their portrayal in both the game and the anime, and you have nothing on you that can prove otherwise, corpse hunter. Use another method to prove that Lucario won't be in the game, please.

I wasn't trying to disprove his inclusion. Merely questioning where these lucario supporters are getting that he's popular which nobody can seem to prove. He has as much of a chance as Blaziken does IMO (I'm not an ignorant lucario hater like most others).


By the way none of those reasons have anything to do with a pokemon's chances/inclusion as a character (other than maybe the pokemon yellow thing), only some similarities between the anime and the game.

 

[corpse_humper]

Pikachu, the star Pokemon of the anime had no major role for the games before the anime aired. Without the anime I'd say Pikachu's chances of having a playable possition in the original Smash Bros would have been slim.

He'd have a slim chance if he wasn't the mascot of nintendo's second best selling franchise and wasn't extremely popular. Anime has nothing to do with it.

 

[PyrasTerran]

No they speak like they do in the games.

When you speak to a pokemon outside of the battle field they say the beginning or whole name just like in Smash.

The GB wasn't advanced enough to include actual voices for the Pokemon to have which is why the make those "trills and crys'

Oh really?

Then I dare you to boot up a Pokemon Red or Blue and tell me what any of the pokemon tell you when you talk to them on the walking field.

It certainly isn't their own names.

And you didn't explain to me why the 3D Stadium games use trills instead of their names... how convenient.

The reason they keep Pikachu as a mascot is because he is extremely popular and very well known.

Not really sure what this has to do with a pokemon chances or Smash though.

And why is he so popular and well known? C'mon, answer this one, I dare you.

The Mewtwo's voice thing is valid

Attitude and attacks originate from the game though.

I'm afraid you can't prove that. The only thing we see Mewtwo do is wait for you in the caves.

And in the same DBZ manner? What?

The same manner that Lucario uses his projectile attack; pulling back both palms and then swinging forward.

Valid but really grasping at straws here.

I love how you put that "but", as if I didn't just 100% prove you wrong.

I'm guessing she was mainly put in because of popularity but not really anything here.

And why was she put in because of popularity? You only see her in her gym in the games and nowhere else. Care to elaborate?

Didn't you already say this?

Yes, and you said nothing about it. I can only assume that is because you admit to it being true and further debunking your claim that the Pokemon anime has no influence in the Smash Bros. games.

I wasn't trying to disprove his inclusion. Merely questioning where these lucario supporters are getting that he's popular which nobody can seem to prove. He has as much of a chance as Blaziken does IMO (I'm not an ignorant lucario hater like most others).

Well you may not be an ignorant lucario hater, but I'm afraid you are ignorant.

If all you can say when people give you 100% hard evidence of Lucario's pressence in the pokemon franchise is "irrelevant. irrelevant. Sorry that's irrelevant. irrelevant irrelevant irrelevant" and give NO backing as to WHY it's irrelevant, then YOU are the one grasping at straws. You're acting like the Family Guy mule. You keep asking people to give you evidence of Lucario's popularity yet you will never be satisfied because although you aren't specifically a lucario hater neither do you want him in. If there was any shred of you that DID want him in you wouldn't so blindly ignore the evidence that has been presented to you in your face.

You claim that Lucario being the highest ranking in a Pokemon spin-off game is irrelevant? Blaziken doesn't even HAVE a ranking.

Lucario is often seen next to Legendary pokemon in the anime intros, yet you claim that is irrelevant when Blaziken, the monster YOU claim has just as much a chance of getting in, has never had that significance.

Is there something about the Nine-hundred ninety-three votes for Lucario as opposed to Blaziken's two-hundred ninety-two that is not registering in your mind as a vote of popularity? If people didn't vote for Lucario because they liked him, then whY DID they vote for him???

By the way none of those reasons have anything to do with a pokemon's chances/inclusion as a character (other than maybe the pokemon yellow thing), only some similarities between the anime and the game.

"Other than maybe the yellow thing?" that's cute. You realize that only ONE of those points needed to be true to debunk your claim.

Nice try, but you weren't paying attention it seems. I wasn't talking about the chances of a pokemon's inclusion in the game more than talking about your bold, baseless claim:

"ANIME IS IRRELEVANT TO A CHARACTER'S CHANCES"

Seeing as I've proven to you(yourself admitting to both Pokemon Yellow and Mewtwo's voice, as well as Jigglypuff's singing) that what you said is incorrect, you need to stop using it as a way to question the popularity and/or opinions of what people think would be a good pokemon character for Brawl.

 

[DevilRyodo]

Outside of Lucario and Charizard I would have liked Dragonite.

 

[PyrasTerran]

Flygon is my personal dragon favorite.. if he was in I'd be ecstatic.

At least you got Charizard for sure.