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Furret for Brawl!
Furret for Brawl!
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They added one new character this time. they have added two every game why would they stop now?They already have pikachu and pokemon trainer, I doubt they will put any more pokemon characters.
I would agree. After Mewtwo and Jpuff theres no more seemingly important roles that did to be filled for the series.They already have pikachu and pokemon trainer, I doubt they will put any more pokemon characters.
. . .Yea, and they where ALL in these roles in what you know as the role theory. . .and important to the series. . . and actually rep the main roles of a series. How many will they get before they get as many as they need? LoZ surely doesn't NEED 9-10 Brawl characters. .Might I point out that, Smash 64 to Melee, we got FOUR new playable Zelda characters?
yes im sure they'll ignore there second largest franchise with no new additions... i also bet theyre not gonna add more new pokeballs or anything like the sort...They already have pikachu and pokemon trainer, I doubt they will put any more pokemon characters.
Yeah, kinda like how they definitely had a G/S Pokemon planned to be playable in Melee, and didn't have to resort to a clone, MIRITE?yes im sure they'll ignore there second largest franchise with no new additions... i also bet theyre not gonna add more new pokeballs or anything like the sort...
I doubt that you doubt it. I think you just don't want another one. And, are you saying that no pokemon from the other two smash games will return? I think you're pulling your own leg if that's the case.They already have pikachu and pokemon trainer, I doubt they will put any more pokemon characters.
I would agree. After Mewtwo and Jpuff theres no more seemingly important roles that did to be filled for the series.
Main char: Pika
Side kick: PT ( 3 new playable pokemon)
Important female figure: Jpuff
Villian: Mewtwo
These are roles most (if not, all) series aim to fill and Pokemon was never any different in that respect.
We already got 3 new playable pokemon, I personaly wouldn't expect any more at this point. They got all the important roles down with the best reps that could be choosen for each role. . .
Actually, the role formula goes like this (and yes, ANY series TO DATE that has had 2 + characters has had them in them appear in these roles)PT = sidekick? What?
I'm not sure I believe that role theory. I don't think the "important female figure" plays a role. Plus, you can't confirm that Jiggs is a girl .
But anyway, don't be surprised if there is another role added to that list; important Newcomer to the franchise. But of course, this only applies to the big 3.
Agreed. Actually if I remeber correctly Mewtwo isn't a villain at all in the game. He is just a legendary pokemon that lives in a cave. He is only a villain in the movies. Like Lucario is a sidekick in the movies. OMIGOSH! Does that mean . . . Lucario for brawl.True, most of the characters fit one of those roles, but then again you've named almost every possible role especially in the "sidekick/rival/different version of the main character" slot.
Also, are you implying that there is an order to this? That it always follows that same order? Honestly, I just think he picks characters based on these three things: importance to the series, possibility of having a unique moveset, and popularity. I don't think role is even a factor; main characters of any kind of franchise/movie/book will naturally fall into the roles you've mentioned.
And, I think the pokemon series has a few special cases. Of course, you know that one is PT, but the other is Mewtwo. Mewtwo is not even really the main Villain of the franchise. I can see why he would be considered one, but I don't think he's the main one. His inclusion has alot to do with those three things that I said earlier.
Actually, the role formula goes like this (and yes, ANY series TO DATE that has had 2 + characters has had them in them appear in these roles)
Main character/ Mascott of the series
Side-kick/ Rival like character/ Look alike or different version of the main character.
Important female figure of the series
Villian of the series
Brake down of the above. . .
(Main character or mascott refers to does being either the main character or Mascott (like pika/ Marth) of a series)
(Side-kick/ Rival like character/ Look alike or different version of the main is alil bit different. Logically not all series have a "side-kick" such as the case with pokemon, LoZ, Kriby or samus. So things like "rival/ different version or the main character" where best for them)
(Important female figure and villian are just that.)
And Jpuffs, in their own respective game, are always 3/4s female. . . not to mintion that she has ribbons for her colors all smash games. Half of all Pika's are male, Mewtwo has not gender and the starters are male 87% of the time. Jpuff is clearly the female of them.
Now, Im going to re-list the formula in it's fullness just because I can't re-find the old one.
SSB64
Mario series_________
Mario-Main character
Luigi-Side kick
Pokemon series_______
Pikachu- Main character/Mascott of the series
Jpuff- Important female figure of the series
SSBM
Mario series________
Mario-Main character
Luigi-Side kick
Peach-Important female figure of the series
Bowser-Villian of the series
Doc- Different version or look-a-like of the main character
Pokemon series_______
Pikachu- Main character/Mascott of the series
Jpuff- Important female figure of the series
Pichu- Different version or look-a-like of the main character
Mewtwo- Villian of the series
LoZ series_______
Link- Main character
Y.Link- Different version or look-a-like of the main character
Zelda/ Sheik- Important female figure of the series
Ganon- Villian of the series.
SF series______
Fox- Main character of the series
Falco- Side kick
FE______
Marth- Main character or Mascot of the series
Roy- Different version or look-a-like to the main character
SSBB confirmed characters
Mario series________
Mario-Main character
Luigi-Side kick
Peach-Important female figure of the series
Bowser-Villian of the series
Pokemon series_______
Pikachu- Main character/Mascott of the series
PT- Main/side kick (he is actually the main character but pika has been in smash as the main/ mascott sense 64. Pika IS the mascott of the series so that seperates them. Notice that PT is main of the 3 RB starters. . . 3 of the most iconic pokemon and are the first you get in the series)
Jpuff- Important female figure of the series
LoZ______
Link- Main character of the series
Zelda- important female figure of the series
Kriby______
Kriby- main character of the series
MK- Rival
DDD- Villian of the series
Metriod_____
Samus- Main character of the series
Zero- Different version of the main character
Dk_____
DK- Main character of the series
Diddy- Side kick
NOW, time to look at who people think are the most likely new comers. . .
Bowser Jr- Villian
Toad- Side kick
Geno- Side kick
Midna- Side kick OR important female figure
Ridly(sp)- Villian
Krystal- Important female figure of the series
Wolf- Rival/ Villian
Cluas (sp)- Rival/ villain
WW Link- Different version of the main character
Micaiah- important female figure
Hell, often times people naturely support characters that naturely fall under these roles because they are the most important roles of a game. I can tell you right now that I don't think some of them will be in but I can fully see/ why any of them could make it.
Edit, this color makes me think of kool-aid. . .
Spelling Ridley and Claus wrong = auto-fail
jk
good post
I named all the important roles to look at when looking for characters that are important in a game. The "sidekick/rival/different version of the main character" is clearly more of a case by case role. Samus has no sidekick/ rival. . . .so she got a different version of herself as a 2nd character. Same thing with Link and Pika in melee. It's a general list of titles that are "next in line" to the main character so they got grouped.True, most of the characters fit one of those roles, but then again you've named almost every possible role especially in the "sidekick/rival/different version of the main character" slot.
Never said there was a order to them. . . .but it does seem that the sidekick/ rival/different version of the main character and important female figure are interchangeable for the 2nd slot and villians seem to come last.Also, are you implying that there is an order to this? That it always follows that same order? Honestly, I just think he picks characters based on these three things: importance to the series, possibility of having a unique moveset, and popularity. I don't think role is even a factor; main characters of any kind of franchise/movie/book will naturally fall into the roles you've mentioned.
Pt really isn't one. When it comes to pokemon as a series who do you think of first? Pika. . . Pika is the mascott of the series and has been the only pokemon to be treated as such with things like "Hey you Pikachu" and the Pika giga-pet (both eout before SSB64). We can clearly see PT takes ALOT of time to do and Sakurai claims that Mewtwo was suppose to be in SSB64 so Im seeing him as a late main character duo to him being more than we could have expected in either of the other games.And, I think the pokemon series has a few special cases. Of course, you know that one is PT, but the other is Mewtwo. Mewtwo is not even really the main Villain of the franchise. I can see why he would be considered one, but I don't think he's the main one. His inclusion has alot to do with those three things that I said earlier.
Ok, fair enough. I still think Pokemon has some weird special cases that are based a bit on the anime. You're not one of those people who thinks the anime has nothing to do with who's in brawl are you?I named all the important roles to look at when looking for characters that are important in a game. The "sidekick/rival/different version of the main character" is clearly more of a case by case role. Samus has no sidekick/ rival. . . .so she got a different version of herself as a 2nd character. Same thing with Link and Pika in melee. It's a general list of titles that are "next in line" to the main character so they got grouped.
My reason for showing this on this thread is to show that pokemon was never excluded from these list of important roles.
Ok, now I think I understand what you're saying. You're right; these roles do determine who's important to the series. No complaint there.
And these roles ARE importance to the series which ALSO effect popularity. I don't see Slappy being as wanted as Falco or Krystal.
Pt really isn't one. When it comes to pokemon as a series who do you think of first? Pika. . . Pika is the mascott of the series and has been the only pokemon to be treated as such with things like "Hey you Pikachu" and the Pika giga-pet (both eout before SSB64). We can clearly see PT takes ALOT of time to do and Sakurai claims that Mewtwo was suppose to be in SSB64 so Im seeing him as a late main character duo to him being more than we could have expected in either of the other games.
Ok, fair enough. I must say that I don't remember much from red and blue, so ehh...You're probably right. But is mewtwo also THE main villain in 2nd, 3rd, and 4th generations? This is a serious question btw. This is kind of why I see Pokemon (the game) as a special case; imo the main characters are generic, and the main pokemon are different for every player. This is why I think who gets in obviously has something to do with the anime.And Mewtwo was a villian in the games. Not only did he blow up a mansion and kill all the scientist in it (btw, he is the only pokemon know to outright kill people) but his Pokedex bios describe him as such.
"A vicious psychic pokemon created by genetic engineering. It's cold, glowing eyes strike fear into it's enemy"
"Mewtwo is a pokemon that was created by genetic manipulation. However, even though the scientific power of humans created this pokemon's body, they failed to endow Mewtwo with a compassionate heart."
"a pokemon that was created by genetic manipulation. However, even though the scientific power of humans created this pokemon's body, they failed to give him a warm heart"
"A pokemon whose genetic code was repeated recombined for research. It turned vicious as a result"
"A pokemon created by recombining Mew's genes. It's said to have the most savage heart amoung pokemon"
He is also the final battle of the game. The thing you work hard to get to. The one pokemon that wiped out and entire mansion full of researchers and is said to have the most savage heart amoung ALL pokemon. He is'nt just some legendary, he is THE pokemon villian in the pokemon games.
although that would be niceI realy Think that each Pokemon Gen desirves at least one rep, even though the first is the most popular.
No, it should be over all, not divided by gensI realy Think that each Pokemon Gen desirves at least one rep, even though the first is the most popular.
I believe that the anime is a by-product of the games popularity and show case their popular pokemon. Like Pika for example. . . the creator of pokemon said he never intened for Pika to be the mascott (from the looks of it the starters seem to be the focused pokemon to the maker. You start you advanture with one and they where on the boxes before the legendaries bummed them). When pokemon came out Pika was simply one of the more popular ones that could appeal to both genders and the big guys thought that there should be a singla pokemon of focus to repersent the series when the anime was being made.Ok, fair enough. I still think Pokemon has some weird special cases that are based a bit on the anime. You're not one of those people who thinks the anime has nothing to do with who's in brawl are you?
I agree. PT is the actual main character where as Pika is the mascott who could also be seen as a main character to smashI said pokemon trainer was a special case because he would be considered the (generic) main character of the game, but pika already took up that spot. Now I realize that you've already mentioned it. But then you'd also have to count PT as the protagonist/main character. He fits that more than he fits the second role on your list imo.
Mewtwo doesn't appear as the villian in every game. . . but he is the only pokemon to EVER be a villian which is why he retains the title of the pokemon villian. It's even reflected in the movies. . . there is not one other pokemon that acted as Mewtwo did in his movie (probly because they wanted to make it more fam friendly. . . .too bad their sells suffered because of it) and theres not one other legendary pokemon in the games that did the the things he did. Mewtwo is basically the first and last pokemon to really be a villian.Ok, fair enough. I must say that I don't remember much from red and blue, so ehh...You're probably right. But is mewtwo also THE main villain in 2nd, 3rd, and 4th generations? This is a serious question btw. This is kind of why I see Pokemon (the game) as a special case; imo the main characters are generic, and the main pokemon are different for every player. This is why I think who gets in obviously has something to do with the anime.
Thank you, and I also hope we get more and I surely think it could happen. I just personally don't think it will (or atleast that the chances of it happen are slim to nill). If you go to the pages 16-19 of the PT thread and read the comments (quotes) from the maker of pokemon about his thoughts on the series than you would see just how much more PT reps the true nature of pokemon than just {insert populare pokemon}. Its just, when I think about the importance of PT, the way he is made of 3 pokemon teamed together and every other pokemon in smash I just can't really see a need for anymore. . . . but Im still hoping Buneary/ Lopunny gets inBlack/Light, I'll admit that I see your point. I agree that Pokemon doesn't really need a new playable...but I still want one and I still think it's a possibility.
I run a shrine. I'd think you'd expect a religius nut.kaid. . . seems to be more of a ego-tistic fanboy(more than he use to be atleast) now-a-days.
AAhhhhhhhI run a shrine. I'd think you'd expect a religius nut.
yea importance, just like lucario and iron man lolAAhhhhhhh
And Im sure you are
(gives Kaid a juicy pop and tells him to go play with his lil friends)
And you a can finally see my whole character roles formula for yourself now. . . . Im pretty much sure you only brush it off cause it leaves Lucario with the "random pokemon" title compared to all the others
Are you going to call it false or untrue now? IDK but it's clear how characters are picked in roles of importance from where I stand.
. . .Im guessing thats a joke.yea importance, just like lucario and iron man lol
i hope very soon.......This poll needs moar updating.
Actually Satoshi Tajiri originally intended for Clefairy to be the mascot. Which is why the trainer in the first Manga has one. But for whatever reason they decided on Pikachu instead. Perhaps it was better for their image or something.I believe that the anime is a by-product of the games popularity and show case their popular pokemon. Like Pika for example. . . the creator of pokemon said he never intened for Pika to be the mascott (from the looks of it the starters seem to be the focused pokemon to the maker. You start you advanture with one and they where on the boxes before the legendaries bummed them). When pokemon came out Pika was simply one of the more popular ones that could appeal to both genders and the big guys thought that there should be a singla pokemon of focus to repersent the series when the anime was being made.
What?Actually Satoshi Tajiri originally intended for Clefairy to be the mascot. Which is why the trainer in the first Manga has one. But for whatever reason they decided on Pikachu instead. Perhaps it was better for their image or something.
I do hope that Jigglypuff and Mewtwo come back as Veterans. After that if there is room for another newcomer, I'd like Lucario to be that newcomer.
that sounds like a bunch of bull to me....first of all i seen first pokemon manga when i was like 13 it had the picture of pikachu on it with some wierdly drawn ash in the background..so that guy is full of itWhat?
I've never heard this before.
Source plz?
never take what i say serious, its not a good idea. . .Im guessing thats a joke.
And thanks M and OD for the kind remarks.
I've heard of it before.... and never before has a better marketing decision been made than to make the mascot Pikachu instead. If Clefairy was the mascot, Pokemon would now be some sort of underground subculture in the west because I can't imagine any non-Japanese person liking that thing...What?
I've never heard this before.
Source plz?