Pokémon Black and White (WARNING: SPOILERS)

[PowerBomb]

What about Ghost/Fighting? Unresisted combination.

...What if Flygon got Tinted Lens? It certainly has the eyes for it. Imagine an unresisted Outrage flying everywhere.

God, how broken would that get?

 

[Mic_128]

What about Ghost/Fighting? Unresisted combination.

Psychic's still super effective.

 

[RuNNing Riot]

Psychic's still super effective.

No, he meant that no type combo resists both types together (except for the theoretical Ghost/Normal, but no Pokemon exists with such a type right now).

PowerBomb, giving any Dragon type with a powerful STAB move Tinted Lens would be just insane.

 

[Mic_128]

No, he meant that no type combo resists both types together (except for the theoretical Ghost/Normal, but no Pokemon exists with such a type right now).

Ah, well that makes more sense.

 

[Miamisportsfan45]

Psychic's still super effective.

Of course. But it'd be an epic combination.

 

[RuNNing Riot]

And not just Psychic. Flying and Ghost are SE too. Given that only Ghost is really widely used, though, those three aren't that bad at all.

 

[JOE!]

not talking about defenses here.

the difference between dragon/fight and ghost/fight's offensive power is their "counters"

Ghost/Fight essentially is walled by a normal/ghost, as it cannot really hit the thing.

Dragon/Fight is only resited by steel/ghost. Now that should by itself make it better than g/f as it can beat it's "counter", but being part dragon also means it could have access to famethrower...making it able to roast it's competition, and have essentially no counters.

 

[RuNNing Riot]

I know you were talking about offence, JOE!. Just correcting Mic's mistake.

What gets me there is that you assume that Ghost/Fighting type will have no access to moves than can hit it, as well as Dragon/Fighting's ability to learn Flamethrower. Mind you, just having a decent move to hit your biggest rival with doesn't make it that that counter doesn't work any more. The fact that Fire and Ground is walled by loads of common Pokemon like Heatran and Bronzong makes it worse.

You don't take into account stats either. If that Ghost/Fighting Pokemon learns (say) Shadow Ball and has plenty of Sp. Atk. to spare and the Normal/Ghost type doesn't have great defences, it's still going to do loads of damage and can allow it to beat its counter anyway.

 

[Miamisportsfan45]

not talking about defenses here.

the difference between dragon/fight and ghost/fight's offensive power is their "counters"

Ghost/Fight essentially is walled by a normal/ghost, as it cannot really hit the thing.

Dragon/Fight is only resited by steel/ghost. Now that should by itself make it better than g/f as it can beat it's "counter", but being part dragon also means it could have access to famethrower...making it able to roast it's competition, and have essentially no counters.

Can't hit it with STAB attacks. But it can still set up, and can also hit with nonSTAB attacks.

 

[JOE!]

exactly, but being dragon means it will probably have a versatile movepool, and great stats.

that and the fact that it would probably have an easier time vs it's 1 counter than g/f over it's counter make sit the better offensive combo IMO

 

[Miamisportsfan45]

exactly, but being dragon means it will probably have a versatile movepool, and great stats.

that and the fact that it would probably have an easier time vs it's 1 counter than g/f over it's counter make sit the better offensive combo IMO

Ohhhh, I see what you're saying now. haha.

 

[RuNNing Riot]

exactly, but being dragon means it will probably have... great stats.

Hardly fair. Let's assume they have the same stats totals and distributions for now, becausewe're only talking about typing.

that and the fact that it would probably have an easier time vs it's 1 counter than g/f over it's counter make sit the better offensive combo IMO

A counter doesn't necessarily have to resist both STABs. We consider Tyranitar a counter to the former OU Latias, don't we? Yet Tyranitar is neutral to Dragon and could be hit by a Surf or Grass Knot, both supereffectively. Blissry is a counter to just about every special attacker in OU and Ubers bar Choice Specs Kyogre, entirely due to her stats.

 

[Sir Bedevere]

The other thing to remember (which JOE! mentioned) is that whereas both STABs of Ghost/Fight are COMPLETELY walled by its counter (i.e. assuming the Pokemon has STAB/STAB/non-offensive move/non-offensive move), Dragon/Fight can at the very least hit it's counter for some damage (even if resisted).

So in a situation where it's Ghost/Fight and Dragon/Fight versus their respective type counters as the last Pokemon on both players teams, assuming STAB/STAB/useless move/useless move on both, Dragon/Fight will at least be able to put up a fight, and if their last Pokemon is weakened, maybe even win.

Dragon/Fight is simply a strictly better offensive typing than Ghost/Fight, even ignoring movepool, stats, and relative metagame (in which case Dragon/Fight would LIKELY be even better).

 

[Metal~Mario]

Dragon/Fight would be broken as f*** if it also had 100 SpA.

 

[UltiMario]

Good dragon Move/Close Combat/Fire Blast/X

Dragon/Fight is scary lol

 

[Metal~Mario]

X should be Thunderpunch.

For random water types.

 

[UltiMario]

Or an all special [Meteor/Pulse]/Aura Sphere/Fire Blast/Tbolt set.

 

[Metal~Mario]

Oh CRAP

Let's see Blissey stop that

 

[rockem7]

X should be Thunderpunch.

For random water types.

Dang, I was about to say that it didn't have anything for water types.

 

[UltiMario]

[Meteo/Pulse]/CC/FB/TBolt Mix

 

[JOE!]

the great thing is that Dragon/Fight is likley to happen based on the multitude of concepts alone relating to stuff like crouching tiger hidden dragon, etc

 

[CRASHiC]

[Meteo/Pulse]/CC/FB/TBolt Mix

Ghost pokemon switches in on CC. Prepares his Ice Beam.
As a side note, why can't Gengar learn ice beam? that's gay.

 

[JOE!]

doesnt it all depend on whether or not the ghost can out-speed it?

 

[majora_787]

I swear, when we have more than 25 ghost types(seven more. I'll compromise with six.), it'll be my new favorite type. Duskull is just win.

But if there is a ghost fighting type, that would make my pokemon experience. Partially.

 

[FAILchion-]

I'd love me some Ghost/Steel.

 

[Greenstreet]

Good dragon Move/Close Combat/Fire Blast/X

Dragon/Fight is scary lol

Just give it Sunkern stats and it'll all be cool.

 

[majora_787]

Fighting/ghost, ghost/steel, and fighting/dragon all sound beastly and awesome. But they'd probably be given low stats to compensate...

Not that I care.

 

[JOE!]

maybe, maybe not....


a fight/dragon WILL be epic on the dragon/ part alone the way nearly all dragons have had their stats...

 

[The 5th Horseman]

*Does not like the look of the starters* At least the chars look older and better. Just hope for some new dragons. =)

 

[Chill]

Let's hope for less dragons and more creative 600 BST pokes like tyranitar and Metagross.

 

[T-block]

New type combos seem almost guaranteed to me... It's an easy way to be creative without too much effort, and I'm looking forward to seeing what we get.

 

[Greenstreet]

yay for sticky.

 

[UltiMario]

Just give it Sunkern stats and it'll all be cool.

LC tiem

 

[JOE!]

@Chill & Tblock:

Dragon/Fighting chinese dragon with Shoalin like roots

 

[alexavalanche]

Lets just hope they don't ruin any of the old pokemon, with new evolutions.

 

[Greenstreet]

Lets just hope they don't ruin any of the old pokemon, with new evolutions.

It's gonna happen. Whether they 'ruin' them or not is subjective. But it'll happen.

 

[alexavalanche]

It's gonna happen. Whether they 'ruin' them or not is subjective. But it'll happen.

Eh, thats true I mean they've done for the last two gen's. Dang pokemon people are running out of ideas.

 

[CRASHiC]

The've done it for the last 3 gens.

 

[Pete278]

Its really subjective whether or not a pokemon gets 'ruined' with a new evolution. Most of the time, I'd have to say its just nostalgia telling people it got ruined.

 

[Miamisportsfan45]

The TCG got ruined by Diamond and Pearl...