There's also a picture of Samurai Goroh hiting fox.
Fox getting hit by a sword? Where have I seen this before?
My god...The Phantom Knight is Gray Fox!
But seriously that is actually a nice call back Sakurai had done where no one seem to have noticed and based on the similarity between the two images the Phantom Knight is implied to be a assist trophy but that is just my speculation on it.
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Phantom Knight will protect her from now on ^^
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Deacon Blues
Yeesh, what with Sakurai and using Fox as a punching bag?
Curious Villager
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soviet prince
I am the terror that flaps in the night
no I would not mind him either
soviet prince
I am the terror that flaps in the night
no I would not mind him either
Vintage Creep
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How does Impa?
Let's take a look at some pics, shall we?
When this was revealed, people freaked:
When this was revealed, people freaked:
...because it somehow suggests Sheik might not return. People tried justifying that the Phantom is not an attack, rather an Assist Trophy due to Zelda executing the same pose with no visible Phantom in this pic:
People then began arguing this was a taunt of hers. Couple weeks later and we actually have two pics of Zelda performing the assumed taunt:
Yeah.
8-peacock-8
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Taunting Zelda ganna Taunt.
Erotic&Heretic
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Considering only Pit, to be the Uprising's Pit, and Bowser, to finally be something else than Mario 64's Bowser, had real changes about attacks and look, it would be weird to see other characters that don't need changes... Well to change.
About Bowser:
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I think they have similarities.
And Mario Sunshine Bowser:
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It wasn't weird in Melee, as the 64 era was just behind, but he retained his kaijuu look in Brawl, wich looked a bit outdated, considering games like Sunshine.
About Bowser:
I think they have similarities.
And Mario Sunshine Bowser:
It wasn't weird in Melee, as the 64 era was just behind, but he retained his kaijuu look in Brawl, wich looked a bit outdated, considering games like Sunshine.
Vintage Creep
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Is this Farore's Wind?
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Oh nice, when was that pic shown?
Erotic&Heretic
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Still, it's Toon Zelda, not adult Zelda. We already discussed about this, but I still think it would be weird to mix the realistic Zelda with toon Elements. It would be weird for TP Link to use the deku leaf from WW for exemple.
Also, we have the neutral A, Forward Tilt and Forward Smash. We also have Sheik's pose, Din's Fire charging animation, and the taunt. I really wonder what animation the pose could be.
Maybe, and I say MAYBE, Sheik's pose and Din's charge pose are the same animation, but I doubt it. We can see, on sheik's pose, that Zelda look at the player (considering how the ring is), and that she looks in front of her on the Din's charge pose (looking at the battlefield).
The Phantom can't be a tilt or a Smash. She retained her Farore Wind for sure, and she probably kept Din's Fire and Nayru's Love considering some screens. She also probably kept Sheik's transformation, considering her pose, and considering Sheik is also actual with Ocarina Of Time 3D representation in Smash.
The pose she have on the phantom screen is even more mysterious than before.
For all the pictures: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=96586646&postcount=6127
The Peach, Zelda and Rosalina screen is perfect.
Had it stylistic been modified to fit (like I think the phantom is) and been important to link as a whole (The Phantom is much more Important to Zelda as a whole, than the Deku leaf is to Link), I would not find it weird.
It's hard to say too much about the pictures (Sheik's pose) when they're still frames with no sign of attack.
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Erotic&Heretic
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Really looks like Din's Charge to me.
Erotic&Heretic
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We should try to see, in Brawl, if Zelda can acheive Sheik's pose. I remember in Melee that during the transform move, if paused correctly, Sheik's could have Zelda's pose & vice-versa. But the animations are somewhat old. I wonder if we can do the same in brawl, especially considering how bad were the transform moves and their loading time: yes I look at you, Warioman, Pokemon Trainer, Sheik, GigaBowser and Zero Suit Samus.
Also, there is a lot a light during Brawl's transform move.
Also, there is a lot a light during Brawl's transform move.
Katy Parry
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No, not yeah. It's not the "assumed" taunt. It's another taunt. Brawl had 3 taunts each. Who's to say this game won't have 4 taunts this time, or even if there's only 3, it's obvious that its another taunt.
I mean Jesus, people, how stupid can you be? Not trying to be an ass, but it's CLEAR it's shown in the picture with Peach and Link she's performing the same taunt, and yet there's NO Phantom. This is clear as CRYSTAL. Once again, do you really think Sakurai would change a character's move that AFFECTS another character completely? Moreso affecting two verterans? I don't think so.
On a side note, I really hope Zelda's prayer taunt returns.
Katy Parry
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I know what you're talking about. Both characters went through the same poses, spins, or whatever, and there'd be a moment where your character would be completely white. That was the last possible second before the character completely switched.
Katy Parry
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WHERE THE **** DID ALL THOSE ZELDA PICTURES COME FROM?!?!!?
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Phantom is not listed as an AT, yet Starfy is. Both Starfy and Phantom were shown in a picture with other characters without mention what they were (moveset, AT, ect).
Phantom is not listed as an AT, yet Starfy is. Both Starfy and Phantom were shown in a picture with other characters without mention what they were (moveset, AT, ect).
Katy Parry
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That's made by a fan. You realize that, right?
Erotic&Heretic
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Eh I'm too lazy to put all the link's again for the uptenth time, so I'm just going to link you to my post.
http://smashboards.com/threads/zelda-image-gallery-update-january-10.344750/#post-16188084
Erotic&Heretic
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Oh, I didn't knew there was 3DS pics too.
Looks like Din's Fire end of animation
But I may be wrong.
Looks like Din's Fire end of animation
But I may be wrong.
Katy Parry
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God, that's AMAZING :D
Can you someone add them to the OP on that thread? thanks!
Katy Parry
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Yeah, that one's near the end of the animation, but not the right end. We already know she's got her Up B and Down B, and I'm pretty much certain her B is Nayru's Love, though I haven't seen it yet.Oh, I didn't knew there was 3DS pics too.
Looks like Din's Fire end of animation
But I may be wrong.
Yo EthanRodgers, you should stop multi-posting. Gonna get infracted for that.
Also, considering the possible Phantom move is a summon, between the two pics (Phantom and Link/Peach), Zelda could be caught in different animation frames—OR, the Phantom can be summoned from a distance beyond the perspective of Link and Peach. There is absolutely no way to know if this pose is a taunt.
Also, considering the possible Phantom move is a summon, between the two pics (Phantom and Link/Peach), Zelda could be caught in different animation frames—OR, the Phantom can be summoned from a distance beyond the perspective of Link and Peach. There is absolutely no way to know if this pose is a taunt.
Erotic&Heretic
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For sure.
I think it's not too far-fetched to say the pose from the link and Peach screen happens after the one on the phantom screen. That said, it would be weird to have a screen where the phantom is here with an "incomplete" animation, and yet having a screen with the "complete" animation.
But the phantom could be somewhere else on the Mario Galaxy stage, offscreen.
But, Wario have to different animations if he can summon his bike, or if it's already on the stage. BUT the Zelda animation can be the same as it would only be summoning, not riding the armor.
Who knows?
Well, nothing is impossible, but it would be weird if Zelda could summon the Phantom from a good distance (she is quite far away from Link and Peach in this picture)
Again, for sure. As for now, it can be anything (well, not anything... but we don't what it could be). But seeing the characters retained a lot of their previous animations, I wonder what it can be.
Edit: Guys... Having the picture in a bigger format made me realise a thing.
It's, in fact the exact same pose, at the same frame. Since her reveal, everyone (including me) kept telling it was almost the same pose, but it's in fact exactly the same. We can finally see that her arm is not totally extended, like in the phantom screen, and we can see better that the palm only seems to be more open. It's just the angle of the screens that make it looking different.
Also, about this pose, it share similarities to a frame on activating Din's Fire (wich could explain the lack of effects)
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Katy Parry
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Does anyone remember Zelda had a pose AFTER RELEASING AN ASSIST TROPHY?
THAT'S THE SAME POSE! She raised her arm in that SAME pose to tell the trophy to attack!
I'll try to find a picture, but that's the pose she's making. Not a taunt, it's after an assist trophy is released.
THAT'S THE SAME POSE! She raised her arm in that SAME pose to tell the trophy to attack!
I'll try to find a picture, but that's the pose she's making. Not a taunt, it's after an assist trophy is released.
Doesn't that just raise questions with the Link/Peach Picture, since that don't have a trophy?
Katy Parry
The Only Zelda in Indiana
No, because you raise the same question with your Phantom Knight. Why isn't he in the picture?
Assist trophies don't all stay next to the character. Like Andross, Gray Fox, etc. I'm sure he timed it to look that way. I mean, its the same idea as the picture with Zelda climbing up the ledge, looking like she's spying on them. It's just Sakurai making little scenarios.
Erotic&Heretic
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If I recall well, Zelda uses her right hand upon realeasing an AT, and her arm is totally extended, wich is not on the two ssb4 screens.
It's either this or the din's fire realease, as I posted above. I can't see anything else, if the phantom is an assist of course.
Also there can't be multiple AT on screen in brawl, so it's a bit strange for her to have the assist pose WITH the phantom attacking (it seems like he appeared for a while on the screen)
It's either this or the din's fire realease, as I posted above. I can't see anything else, if the phantom is an assist of course.
Also there can't be multiple AT on screen in brawl, so it's a bit strange for her to have the assist pose WITH the phantom attacking (it seems like he appeared for a while on the screen)
Katy Parry
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I think they release and then Zelda moves her left arm forward. the knight looks like he just appeared anyway.
I dont believe Its Dins fire release because her hand isn't curved, nor is there a flame effect behind her.
Again, animations could be tweaked, so its hard to tell.
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Then why is the Phantom already attacking? If the Phantom would be an AT, I bet he wouldn't be the fastest around, but yet he's still already doing full blade swing with his sword at Fox. Just after being summoned to by Zelda. Also, ATs first drop down from the air after the summoning pose, so why again is the Phantom on the ground?
Can't tell me Zelda will stay in her AT releasing pose for so long when it wasn't like that in Brawl.
Erotic&Heretic
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As I said somewhere else, it could be either the Din's fire pose (when realeasing it) or the AT pose. It's more plausible to me that it's the din's fire pose, as it also share similarities, lack of fire effects (as I stated some posts above) and also the trophy thing like you suggest.
I will even post the screen again:
I sent a request to a friend to do screens with this two poses with the same angle than the SSB4 screen.
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And when Sheik Transform and goes back to Zelda?
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Doesn't look anything like it either when I checked.
Katy Parry
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That's not true. Andross flies to the background, he doesn't drop down first.
And finally, its obvious Sakurai has control over all the animations, that's why he's able to make countless poses and different scenarios? I doubt he has time to stick with trying to time screenshots so perfectly on the first try. So you can see he's able to make the pose whenever he wishes.
Since he uses both animations in both screenshots, its quite clear that the Knight is an assist trophy. He's not shown in any new screenshots, of the 35ish we received, and veteran revamps have been shown off way long ago. We've proven the animations are the exact same as when she released an AT in Brawl, even pictures are provided.
And you stating "I bet he wouldn't be the fastest around" is your opinion. Maybe AT's have been revamped to be faster? Maybe he's just fast?
and didn't I prove you wrong earlier with the whole Side B thing? So you need to check your "facts".