Patch 1.05 Analysis

[FlynnCL]

I main and im gonna try to test it now some moves.. (sorry, not my main language)

Current changes that i figured:

* Side B lowered knock back, it requires more damge for KO (even in the borders) (NERF)
* 3 basic jabs deal less damage (NERF)
- Current damage 0% and 3 basica jabs = 4% damage (it grows 1% last jab each 10% of current damage Aura)
* Air Back now hit's and recovery slightly faster (Need to confirm, possible BUFF)
* Jump Increased (Need to confirm, possible BUFF)
* Up B sometimes get stuck and doesn't recovery with the borders doing it from down of te scenario (Example: Battlefield Omega style) (NERF)
* Air Up now need to connect correctly with the feet to deal more damage (Aura) and apply more Knock back, if you try to hit with the whole Leg it doesn't kill, apply knock back or deal aura damage. (NERF)

Hmm.

Force Palm, jab combo and back aerial seem identical to me. His jumps synchronize perfectly with my Wii U copy too, so if there's any difference it's not noticeable.

 

[Thundering TNT]

Wait, where is everyone getting this? I can't seem to find where to download the patch.

 

[LimitCrown]

Search for "Smash Bros." in the eShop and you'll be able to find where to download the update.

 

[rhysmorgan]

It might be, we're not entirely sure on this.

I'm willing to bet if one is patched the other will follow suite shortly.

In a way, it's like the 3DS version is a pseudo-beta test for the Wii U version. Not that I have a problem with that.

 

[erico9001]

Wait, where is everyone getting this? I can't seem to find where to download the patch.

or attempt to go online and you can just do it from there

 

[Thundering TNT]

@ LimitCrown thanks
Edit: thaks to @ erico9001 as well.

 

[BJN39]

Zelda appears mostly unchanged, but here's a list of notables:

Spoiler: spoilered cuz no one cares :^)

• All of her A moves appear to be unchanged; damage, KB, and general speed are the same.

• Her specials all appear to be statistically unchanged as well. I'm not sure, but there may have been tiny visual upgrades.

• Ftilt and Phantom still contain dead zones at close range.

• I was still able to cause people to fall out of Fsmash & Usmash. It appears unchanged.


• There was a visual fix with pivot grab. She used to awkwardly lean back upon catching someone in it, now she doesn't. It looks less weird now.

• There's something different with throws. All of them induced red sparks like 10% earlier than before, but then they weren't KOing till 10% AFTER they would in 1.0.4. This might be some universal throw change making things seem weird...

TL;DR, nothing was changed really. :'^)

 

[hey_there]

Tested the Bowser Jr. Clown car glitch. It's gone.

 

[Soul.]

Yeah I can confirm Shulk was left unchanged. Everything is the same.

 

[Eccentriczebra]

Question. Since you can send photos and attach a message does that mean I can use this as a means to send a message to my friends so they can join my room? Can someone test this.

 

[ILOVESMASH]

Just wondering, has timestop been changed for the 3ds version? Moves like Falco's Fair seem to connect and deal damage much faster than previously.

 

[LimitCrown]

Does the technique that you could perform by landing on the ground at the same time you would connect with an attack still exist?

 

[Yikarur]

Crouching with an Item in my hand + hitting C-Stck left throws the Item instead of using ftilt.
I haven't tested if this work on the 3DS prepatch but if someone got a New3DS and didn't update yet please confirm if this is a change.

 

[FlynnCL]

Does the technique that you could perform by landing on the ground at the same time you would connect with an attack still exist?

Landing cancel? I just tested it now with Falco's down aerial.

It's still in.

 

[Scarlet Jile]

Why do I read these threads?

They will always be soul-crushingly disappointing.

 

[Soul.]

Someone please tell me if Diddy's NAir has less lag or is unchanged. Can't tell.

 

[Deleted member]

Has Toon Link been changed at all?

Crouching with an Item in my hand + hitting C-Stck left throws the Item instead of using ftilt.
I haven't tested if this work on the 3DS prepatch but if someone got a New3DS and didn't update yet please confirm if this is a change.

I've done it on the 3DS (without a cstick, though, so not sure if that changes anything; and yes it is possible without a cstick, just much harder to do), so I know for a fact that this was in before.

 

[MythTrainerInfinity]

For those wondering... The update is only available for the 3DS right now.

We need to test more things, but Lucario's FAir feels like it has slightly more hitstun. Lucario's Skype Group is telling me to just wait for dataminers tho >.>

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Are there any changes to Rosalina?

 

[Indigo Jeans]

Are there any changes to Rosalina?

More nerfs :^)

no but seriously I'll start checking, mostly damage stuff though since if both damage and KB values are changed, the latter will be harder to quantify until Dant dumps v1.0.5 into mastercore

 

[ATH_]

Ness now does 4% with both of his jabs rather than 5% according to the new thread that opened in the Ness forum.

Testing Falcon.

 

[ぱみゅ]

*subscribed*
I am skeptical about everything posted here and will remain like that for a while.

 

[Yikarur]

I'm pretty sure this patch only contains bugfixes. So please stop asking about Character Attribute changes.

 

[LimitCrown]

Ness still deals 4% damage to opponents with the first two hits of his standard attack in the Wii U version.

 

[LyonDRC]

As much as I want to believe on certain balance changes, I have to say that I don't think any of this is true. Why would it be 3DS-only?

 

[Luigi player]

The post in the Ness boards says jab 3 does 4 % now instead of 5. Not that jab 1+2 do 4 together (they did and still do).

 

[Zage]

Lmao, reading these threads to see the made up changes.

 

[Watulio]

I was testing little mac out in the new patch and after you turn around while running he loses some speed. Can anyone confirm if this is exclusive to 1.05 or happened in earlier versions?

 

[Project Quarantine]

Can someone test these glitches please?

The stage spike is an interesting niche that Pac possesses, I think it should stay.

Overall, a lot of these patches and changes aren't healthy to the community, imo. Continuously adjusting random points to the game (like greninja's running shadow sneak), while not addressing serious balance issues that the majority of which most of us want riddance, is simply ignorant. I don't think patches should be made by nintendo unless there is a game breaking exploit/glitch, but of course, my say won't do much.

 

[ATH_]

Ness still deals 4% damage to opponents with the first two hits of his standard attack in the Wii U version.

Yeah okay, I was pretty speculative of it on the character board anyway.
Still testing Falcon, nothing so far. Pretty sure this update is all filled with placebo effect.

 

[Radical Larry]

CONFIRMED! CONFIRMED! THERE ARE CHANGES!

Link's Power Bow! Look at that as the prime example! It's charging slower now!
I just tested it out and saw that the Power Bow indeed CHARGES SLOWER NOW!

There are indeed changes, I'm not kidding! Go check it out for yourself now!

 

[Indigo Jeans]

I was testing little mac out in the new patch and after you turn around while running he loses some speed. Can anyone confirm if this is exclusive to 1.05 or happened in earlier versions?

This happens with everyone and has always happened

Villager seems unchanged. FAir's weakest hit still does 2.5%, Lloid still does 16.1%/11.5% when ridden, Pocket is still a 1.9 multiplier

 

[Amazing Ampharos]

To be real, we discovered that the majority of alleged patch changes in previous updates weren't true (and a lot of people didn't understand how training mode vs standard matches work and even incorrectly reported damage values). Let's wait for @Dantarion to dump this into Master Core, and we'll have a real change list... at least to the action files (changes to animations won't be possible to detect).

It is very curious this so far is 3ds only and comes so soon after a Wii U patch that didn't introduce any real gameplay changes (more 8 player smash stages doesn't really count). I wonder if 1.0.3 for Wii U is just around the bend, perhaps it will be a bit slow to release with Mewtwo compatibility and the Miiverse stage?

 

[Radical Larry]

Guys, there are balance changes, specifically to all of the specials!
I've NEVER seen Power Bow charge that slow in the 3DS version of the game; I can compare it to the Wii U's version, which charges the same speed as the 1.05 version of the 3DS game.

In fact, I just tested; his Quickfire Bow is quicker, as well! So there are changes, but mainly to the custom moves!

 

[Project Quarantine]

CONFIRMED! CONFIRMED! THERE ARE CHANGES!

Link's Power Bow! Look at that as the prime example! It's charging slower now!
I just tested it out and saw that the Power Bow indeed CHARGES SLOWER NOW!

There are indeed changes, I'm not kidding! Go check it out for yourself now!

Wait is this still only for 3DS or now wiiu?
Edit: saw your next post. Never mind

 

[Amazing Ampharos]

Were these things different on Wii U vs 3ds in the first place is the bigger question. My understanding was that, the 3ds version having awful controls and worse stages aside, the two were gameplay identical so any patch with gameplay changes for 3ds would inevitably make it more different than the Wii U version if the Wii U version did not also receive a similar patch. Was that incorrect? All of my testing based off Dantarion's dumps of the 3ds files in the Wii U version has shown perfectly accurate behavior on Wii U...

 

[mario123007]

Are there any changes to Rosalina?

Let's hope not larger ones.

 

[BusterWolf]

WarioWare stage on the 3DS is no longer annoyingly zoomed out.

 

[Radical Larry]

Okay, I've tested it all out for Link and Ganondorf, and I can confirm that the 1.05 update contains balance changes for the Custom Specials; from what I've seen:

Link's Power Bow is slower in charging and deals 19% damage, same as the Wii U Counterpart now; formerly, it charged faster and dealt more damage, having more range.

Link's Quickfire Bow is much faster now.

Ganondorf's Flame Chain slides him incredibly far on the ground.
Ganondorf's Dark Fists don't lift him as high anymore.
Ganondorf's Dark Vault has more horizontal distance.
Ganondorf's Warlock Thrust can KO now, not having any set knockback (trust me, I've done that before on previous versions).

Those are the only ones I know that have definitive changes.

 

[FlynnCL]

As far as I've heard, Power Bow was slower and Quickfire Bow was faster in Smash Wii U.

1.0.5 has fixed the differences between 3DS and Wii U balance. I wonder if that's the only major fighter change?