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Parachute Parade! - GnW Social Discussion
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SpeedyJ
Smash Journeyman
Best of luck man!
Hopefully, Game & Watchers can make a huge impact in this tournament forcing everyone to reconsider his position on the current tier list (will be a long time before its changed I know but still hehe).
overgamer
Smash Ace
Good luck Alphy! Try to be as lame as possible with G&W to show that he's way underrated!
I will have a tourney soon in France, but that will be not this weekend, but the next one. Gonna be something big, and I'll also try to bring G&W as high as possible on this tournament. I'm so glad I can go to this now that I have no more army. Hopefully I can take some neats replays, cause there's not much from my G&W.
Screw the tier list =')
I will have a tourney soon in France, but that will be not this weekend, but the next one. Gonna be something big, and I'll also try to bring G&W as high as possible on this tournament. I'm so glad I can go to this now that I have no more army. Hopefully I can take some neats replays, cause there's not much from my G&W.
Screw the tier list =')
Best of luck, man.
Just be positive and try to have as much fun as you can!
Ruuku
Smash Lord
Yeah, we definitely have had this discussion before. I grew up in Lausanne until I moved to the US in 2001.
You can do it, man! Good luck!
SFA Smiley
The SFA King
Good luck dude. Focus and play to win. Im cheerleading for quite a few people this year. Lol
overgamer
Smash Ace
Not a bad thing imoGood luck dude. Focus and play to win. Im cheerleading for quite a few people this year. Lol
-Ominous-
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I just noticed that Vinnie is ranked 12th on the Official SWF Brawl Rankings.
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=262480
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=262480
SpeedyJ
Smash Journeyman
Awesome job man!Good Luck Alphicans, hope you're doing good at Genesis.
I came 9th at the major lol u.u
But i beat most people in MMs so I still think the GaW rep was decent lol
2nd in doubles
Hope alphi does much better, best wishes to him
What character did you team with in doubles (out of interest)?
Grey Belnades
The Imperial Aztec
Alph, play me in some friendlies. I must do it before Genesis ends.
I teamed with a Metaknight. We should have won... when I show you this video... omg
it went to the 2nd set (we were coming from losers we failed our first bracket set due to bad synergy)
each set went to game 5
and the final match of the second set timed out
it was the dumbest thing I have seen. especially the part where I lost my last stock instead of planked only to watch my teammate get stalled for a minute straight afterwards =___=
but jah, I always team with Metaknight, not only because I am really used to it and my friend and past team mate was a MK main, but also most people have pocket MKs that I'd rather team with then say their Falco or some abstract character
it went to the 2nd set (we were coming from losers we failed our first bracket set due to bad synergy)
each set went to game 5
and the final match of the second set timed out
it was the dumbest thing I have seen. especially the part where I lost my last stock instead of planked only to watch my teammate get stalled for a minute straight afterwards =___=
but jah, I always team with Metaknight, not only because I am really used to it and my friend and past team mate was a MK main, but also most people have pocket MKs that I'd rather team with then say their Falco or some abstract character
SFA Smiley
The SFA King
I think thats the best team anyway =)
Alphicans
Smash Hero
I wish that was the case, but it is not. I choked vs a DDD. =(
btw there were 2 rounds of pools. My first round pool changed. I got rain instead. Took him to game 3 in a really hype set. The whole venue was cheering for me lol.
btw there were 2 rounds of pools. My first round pool changed. I got rain instead. Took him to game 3 in a really hype set. The whole venue was cheering for me lol.
SFA Smiley
The SFA King
Yes alphy please tell. And guys im having trouble vs olimar again. Marth tips would help too. I keep getting bracket blocked by local olimars and if I can get over it it'd actually be able to do much better. Ive lost to olimars the last 3 tourneys and my mk isnt good enough yet. Even worse my regular playing buddy picked up on this and now when he wants to make me work he just uses olimar. Before I joined the military I was better at this matchup but I forgot everything.
Dooms
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Yeah I'm having Olimar trouble as well. Went against Fino and lost BADLY. I just have no idea how to play against Olimars with Game and Watch !
!OLIMAR:
approach diagonally
dont bother hitting his sheild if you dont have double jump (using bair out of parachute so u get ur jump back is a decent mix-up, dont let him expect it often though)
Dtilt kills pikmin, is fast enough that its decent to kill thrown pikmin without him getting into your zone
SH Nair helps get closer to him without taking too much damage
Dont get grabbed if there is a white on you, try to kill it ASAP
Dthrow to Dtilt next to the edge is a good set up for a really easy gimp if you can read his reaction.
Bait his whistle as he falls. If you fastfall Nair as a reaction to his whistle, you should get him with the end of Nair to hit him back up. Uair also works, and in fact is a real legit kill because the first hit wont hit him away and the 2nd hit with the killer knockback will catch him, so he sets up his own death; oli dies pretty early upwards.
Usmash has pretty big range, but if you are between Oli and the pikmin vertically you can poke him quite safely, especially if you still have your double jump.
Oli can run up and grab or usmash very fast, landing Fair on the ground or Dair is quite bad. In the air or rising its ok but to actually land these is more dangerous against Oli then it normally is. Be that little bit more careful.
Supposedly Oli likes Lylat, pretty sure he gets more purples, which are the big hassle for GaW. I suggest killing them with a strong move if you can, helps us to approach and removes the big scare, Uthrow with a purple. But anyway, I think Lylat benefits us more so I wouldnt fear it. Oli likes to get under platforms which makes it hard to approach diagonally or use the aerials as early as we would like, but bair reaches under Lylat platforms well and spaces to the tip quite nicely.
Oli can be juggled easier than people think, requires more reading than usual tho
If he looks like he's only JUST going to make to the edge maybe, you arent sure, fast fall Nair to pull him down and UpB to spike him. People think edgeguarding is the godsend vs a tether recovery. It is really good, but you shouldn't let it stop you from going for a legit gimp, in fact the mentality people get from this helps Oli to get gimped less, lol!
Uair and other things that can string can cause hassles, UpB away is ok if u have your jump. Oli can actually juggle GaW without a jump, its pretty serious.
STAGES:
Battlefield is good for Olimar, personally I hate it at least.
Delfino is a decent CP for us. I know Oli is ok here, but for GaW specifically its not a good choice for him.
Frigate is also good, but beware of more purples and prepare to camp hard during that transformation that has two ledges, because its hard to approach him if he's in the middle.
That brings me to my last point: Olimar is a character with powerful stage control. If you can keep him out of the middle of the stage or away from under a platform, he should be feeling quite vulnerable (and he is too). You can abuse this better with practice. Approaching him when he is on the ground is the hardest part of this MU, our approach is really the only place where we lose out. Our platform abuse and air game is better than his. Don't fear the MU, so overcomeable.
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At the major I want to, there was an Olimar player who is much better than me as a player in quite a few ways. He kept amazing calm, made patient and very thought through decisions and made very good reads for the kills that i suspect he also used purposeful conditioning to get, or he just analysed people very hard lol.
He came 2nd, but I beat him in a MM. I know the Oli MU very well and was able to abuse a few things, although I was rusty on it. He learnt the GaW MU enough to have a chance against me in the bracket, and I kinda threw the first game <___< which was of course dumb, because even though I 2-stocked him on the CP he managed a clutch victory on his CP even when i was trying hard.
Anyway just from playing those games I've remembered this, if I went back to that bracket set recalling all this I probably would have gotten away with throwing the first game.
I don't know if my experience willl help you beat Fino though, JOEY... Fino is real goods.
Hopefully Smiley can start winning though
Good luck to both of you
ps. yes this post is mildly colour coded.
approach diagonally
dont bother hitting his sheild if you dont have double jump (using bair out of parachute so u get ur jump back is a decent mix-up, dont let him expect it often though)
Dtilt kills pikmin, is fast enough that its decent to kill thrown pikmin without him getting into your zone
SH Nair helps get closer to him without taking too much damage
Dont get grabbed if there is a white on you, try to kill it ASAP
Dthrow to Dtilt next to the edge is a good set up for a really easy gimp if you can read his reaction.
Bait his whistle as he falls. If you fastfall Nair as a reaction to his whistle, you should get him with the end of Nair to hit him back up. Uair also works, and in fact is a real legit kill because the first hit wont hit him away and the 2nd hit with the killer knockback will catch him, so he sets up his own death; oli dies pretty early upwards.
Usmash has pretty big range, but if you are between Oli and the pikmin vertically you can poke him quite safely, especially if you still have your double jump.
Oli can run up and grab or usmash very fast, landing Fair on the ground or Dair is quite bad. In the air or rising its ok but to actually land these is more dangerous against Oli then it normally is. Be that little bit more careful.
Supposedly Oli likes Lylat, pretty sure he gets more purples, which are the big hassle for GaW. I suggest killing them with a strong move if you can, helps us to approach and removes the big scare, Uthrow with a purple. But anyway, I think Lylat benefits us more so I wouldnt fear it. Oli likes to get under platforms which makes it hard to approach diagonally or use the aerials as early as we would like, but bair reaches under Lylat platforms well and spaces to the tip quite nicely.
Oli can be juggled easier than people think, requires more reading than usual tho
If he looks like he's only JUST going to make to the edge maybe, you arent sure, fast fall Nair to pull him down and UpB to spike him. People think edgeguarding is the godsend vs a tether recovery. It is really good, but you shouldn't let it stop you from going for a legit gimp, in fact the mentality people get from this helps Oli to get gimped less, lol!
Uair and other things that can string can cause hassles, UpB away is ok if u have your jump. Oli can actually juggle GaW without a jump, its pretty serious.
STAGES:
Battlefield is good for Olimar, personally I hate it at least.
Delfino is a decent CP for us. I know Oli is ok here, but for GaW specifically its not a good choice for him.
Frigate is also good, but beware of more purples and prepare to camp hard during that transformation that has two ledges, because its hard to approach him if he's in the middle.
That brings me to my last point: Olimar is a character with powerful stage control. If you can keep him out of the middle of the stage or away from under a platform, he should be feeling quite vulnerable (and he is too). You can abuse this better with practice. Approaching him when he is on the ground is the hardest part of this MU, our approach is really the only place where we lose out. Our platform abuse and air game is better than his. Don't fear the MU, so overcomeable.
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At the major I want to, there was an Olimar player who is much better than me as a player in quite a few ways. He kept amazing calm, made patient and very thought through decisions and made very good reads for the kills that i suspect he also used purposeful conditioning to get, or he just analysed people very hard lol.
He came 2nd, but I beat him in a MM. I know the Oli MU very well and was able to abuse a few things, although I was rusty on it. He learnt the GaW MU enough to have a chance against me in the bracket, and I kinda threw the first game <___< which was of course dumb, because even though I 2-stocked him on the CP he managed a clutch victory on his CP even when i was trying hard.
Anyway just from playing those games I've remembered this, if I went back to that bracket set recalling all this I probably would have gotten away with throwing the first game.
I don't know if my experience willl help you beat Fino though, JOEY... Fino is real goods.
Hopefully Smiley can start winning though
Good luck to both of you
ps. yes this post is mildly colour coded.
-Ominous-
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I didn't know about the 2nd pools...
But I saw a lot of your first pool matches. Those matches with Rain were pretty awesome. It was pretty close that last match.
The matches with Silly Kyle were pretty good too. I didn't know who to root for that match, because Silly Kyle is from AZ.
But I saw a lot of your first pool matches. Those matches with Rain were pretty awesome. It was pretty close that last match.
The matches with Silly Kyle were pretty good too. I didn't know who to root for that match, because Silly Kyle is from AZ.
SpeedyJ
Smash Journeyman
Hey, I saw Alphicans vs Rain on the livestream!
And, you happy with that placing GIMR? Grats, because it was a huge tournament.
Wow Splice, that's a lot of info.. Good to use for the next MU thread. xD
And, you happy with that placing GIMR? Grats, because it was a huge tournament.
Wow Splice, that's a lot of info.. Good to use for the next MU thread. xD
Sky Pirate
The best defense is a lot of frigging healing
About Olimar:
Lylat gives us more purples and yellows and Delfino's main platform gives us the best purple pluck percentage for any legal stage in the game (yes, even better than Frigate). Shallow water on Delfino also gives us a ****-ton of blues (67.8% Blue, 16.9% Yellow, 8.5% white, 6.8% Purple), which I love because we do a lot of pivot grabbing against G&W and blue throws do bookoo damage and can actually kill.
This thread has more information on our pluck percentages.
I freaking hate Frigate and Brinstar, but that's heavily biased. Yoshi's might be a good neutral to take us to, but IDK. Seems like it might be harder to get up from the ledge against a Dtilt-spammy G&W there.
Your Dair is so bad (I've never seen it beat out our Uair), Dtilt sends us at a stupid angle and comes out way too fast, we can DI your Bair, umm... IDK what else.
I used to hate playing G&W, but he's a lot easier to space against offline.
...I came in here for a reason, but can't remember it now. Oh well.
Lylat gives us more purples and yellows and Delfino's main platform gives us the best purple pluck percentage for any legal stage in the game (yes, even better than Frigate). Shallow water on Delfino also gives us a ****-ton of blues (67.8% Blue, 16.9% Yellow, 8.5% white, 6.8% Purple), which I love because we do a lot of pivot grabbing against G&W and blue throws do bookoo damage and can actually kill.
This thread has more information on our pluck percentages.
I freaking hate Frigate and Brinstar, but that's heavily biased. Yoshi's might be a good neutral to take us to, but IDK. Seems like it might be harder to get up from the ledge against a Dtilt-spammy G&W there.
Your Dair is so bad (I've never seen it beat out our Uair), Dtilt sends us at a stupid angle and comes out way too fast, we can DI your Bair, umm... IDK what else.
I used to hate playing G&W, but he's a lot easier to space against offline.
...I came in here for a reason, but can't remember it now. Oh well.
I lol'd. I don't think I've ever read match-up advice... and figured that they were going to be wrong by the first word. Usually takes a line or two.
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afk
EDIT: I respect your avi though... godlike!
Wilmenz
Smash Journeyman
Guys, I will try to make this as easy as possible to understand.
DO NOT USE BAIR ON A GROUNDED OLIMAR
If you Bair his shield he can upsmash oos before you can even retreat and if you hit him with it they can SDI upwards and then use Nair >upsmash you if you don't SDI the Nair. Its a lose-lose situation.
Thank you for reading.
DO NOT USE BAIR ON A GROUNDED OLIMAR
If you Bair his shield he can upsmash oos before you can even retreat and if you hit him with it they can SDI upwards and then use Nair >upsmash you if you don't SDI the Nair. Its a lose-lose situation.
Thank you for reading.
Triforce Of Chozo
Smash Ace
Picking up Oli, if I get good I'm dropping G&W for most MUs.
Sky Pirate
The best defense is a lot of frigging healing
Olimar's mad free, though. He can't even do anything without his pikmin. XP
GimR
GimR, Co-Founder of VGBootCamp
Actually, you're supposed to go pretty aggro in this match up. I may make a write up tomorrowI lol'd. I don't think I've ever read match-up advice... and figured that they were going to be wrong by the first word. Usually takes a line or two.
L
afk
EDIT: I respect your avi though... godlike!
I dislike the Olimar matchup... when Im rusty =(
SpeedyJ
Smash Journeyman
How could you! D':
Lol johns. Nah just kidding, I know what you mean. So how did you do at Genesis?
You can totally approach Olimar with GaW :/ GaW keeps pressure on very well too
And whoever said GaWs Dair is especially bad in this MU, i second that if I didn't already say it. As long as the Olimar uses the right pikmin, Uair beats our Dair. I mean I'm pretty sure our Dair goes through white Uair. It's important to know what Pikmin Olimar has and if you see Olimar whistling or doing things to change pikming (like if he throws 2 pikmin and then stops throwing even though he's still at a distance and he has a purple) you should make assumptions on what he's doing and see if you can get inside the Olimar players head.
Also even though Delfino gets more blues, thats better for us then purples who kill better up and Delfinos blast zone and stage changes aid GaW when he needs to camp and some of the transformations make it easier for us to land kills (moreso than Olimar). I stand by the fact it's great lol.
I'm not 100% on how good our Bair is in this MU (in some MUs its totally useless in others its safer) but my spacing is really good and I always keep my second jump so if my Bair hits a sheild I can jump after it connects quite quickly and keep going for a hopeful sheild poke in which case I would use the bair later if I know it will poke.
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@GIMR: 25th, at Genesis is really good, you are such a pro GIMR. I was dissapointed to see no Vinnie or UTD at this event but that's a good placing at a tournament with so many top level players. Keen for vids.
I didn't get any vids recorded at my tourney V___V
I have another Major this year though(Australia has had many majors this year, pretty hype), hopefully its one of the types of majors I don't choke at and I'll place the usual 5th or something nice. And win doubles. To place second, four times in a row, would surely kill me.
How'd you do in doubles GIMR and who did you team with?
And whoever said GaWs Dair is especially bad in this MU, i second that if I didn't already say it. As long as the Olimar uses the right pikmin, Uair beats our Dair. I mean I'm pretty sure our Dair goes through white Uair. It's important to know what Pikmin Olimar has and if you see Olimar whistling or doing things to change pikming (like if he throws 2 pikmin and then stops throwing even though he's still at a distance and he has a purple) you should make assumptions on what he's doing and see if you can get inside the Olimar players head.
Also even though Delfino gets more blues, thats better for us then purples who kill better up and Delfinos blast zone and stage changes aid GaW when he needs to camp and some of the transformations make it easier for us to land kills (moreso than Olimar). I stand by the fact it's great lol.
I'm not 100% on how good our Bair is in this MU (in some MUs its totally useless in others its safer) but my spacing is really good and I always keep my second jump so if my Bair hits a sheild I can jump after it connects quite quickly and keep going for a hopeful sheild poke in which case I would use the bair later if I know it will poke.
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@GIMR: 25th, at Genesis is really good, you are such a pro GIMR. I was dissapointed to see no Vinnie or UTD at this event but that's a good placing at a tournament with so many top level players. Keen for vids.
I didn't get any vids recorded at my tourney V___V
I have another Major this year though(Australia has had many majors this year, pretty hype), hopefully its one of the types of majors I don't choke at and I'll place the usual 5th or something nice. And win doubles. To place second, four times in a row, would surely kill me.
How'd you do in doubles GIMR and who did you team with?
I didn't go to Genesis. I'm retired.
Hence the "rusty"
Hence the "rusty"
overgamer
Smash Ace
Will be looking forward to it, I don't know what to do with oli as well. By the way, I'm seriously considering pricking DDD as a second to counter Snake. =SActually, you're supposed to go pretty aggro in this match up. I may make a write up tomorrow
Sky Pirate
The best defense is a lot of frigging healing
With the exception of yellow, all colors share the same size and location for their Uair hitbubbles. I doubt that Dair beats white Uair.
And Delfino mainly gets more PURPLES. The extra blues are just a nice bonus on one part of the stage. You have my apologies if that was unclear.
SFA Smiley
The SFA King
Lol that sounds like a dream battle for gdubs.
-Ominous-
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Are you sure they can do either of these even if you space your bair well?