Opinions on Sexuality in Media

[Jam Stunna]

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I got this idea from the Taylor Swift thread and the complaints about Lady Gaga's "hypersexualization," but this is something that goes far beyond that. I can remember the same complaints about Zero Suit Samus when she was revealed for Brawl (and all of the related complaints from Lara Croft to Bayonetta and everything in between), and I recall a panel discussion I went to at my college regarding pornography's effects on American sexuality (it was an academic panel! For the love of God, I hope we can use the word "pornography" in an academic sense on this website).

Alot of the complaints come from women, and understandably so. I suppose they have a point, but I'm a guy, so sorry, I just can't relate to their concerns and I'm not even going to pretend that I can. I just know it has something to do with unrealistic body image or unreasonable male expectations or whatever, but for the sake of argument let's concede that those are all valid, legitimate concerns.*

What really surprises me though is that alot of men lament the overt sexuality in media. Isn't all of this eye candy supposed to be for our benefit though? What is it exactly that you find offensive, or perfectly fine, about the prevalence of sexuality in media? I guess what I'm trying to ultimately understand is the tension between the strong undercurrent of repressing sexuality (at least in American society) and the astounding abundance of sexually provocative images. Admittedly, any conclusions on that may be outside the scope of this blog, but a bunch of opinions would help anyway!

*Note- I am not trying to minimize the concerns of women, or preclude their participation in this discussion. I just wanted to make sure that guys weren't saying, "It's harmful to women," which is a legitimate concern, but doesn't really answer the question I asked.

 

[CRASHiC]

Taylor Swift is oversexual??????????????????????????????????

Maybe its because I find white *****es, red neck, blondes, and makeup ugly, but I just don't see it.

At any rate, this has always been the goal of record studios, and its genious:

1. Get a song the women will like. If the girls like it, the guys will follow because guys will do anything to get that *****.
2. Get the chick good looking so that the guys have a reason to say they like the music, "cause she's hot." to their guy friends while they pretend to like it so they can score with the girl.

That's the true meaning of sex sells.

At any rate, I have no problem with oversexuality, and don't see anything as proverse as some of the 90s rap. I got my first boner to the video of "I want to like you from your head to your toe." Besides, let's face it, to some extent, though not 100 percent, this is in part what we live for, if only part. Guys want to luse and girls want to be lusted for.

 

[GreenKirby]

What really surprises me though is that alot of men lament the overt sexuality in media. Isn't all of this eye candy supposed to be for our benefit though? What is it exactly that you find offensive, or perfectly fine, about the prevalence of sexuality in media? I guess what I'm trying to ultimately understand is the tension between the strong undercurrent of repressing sexuality (at least in American society) and the astounding abundance of sexually provocative images. Admittedly, any conclusions on that may be outside the scope of this blog, but a bunch of opinions would help anyway!

In Baltar's world: We can't be irritated that women are still treated as a piece of meat even though most of us here are likely attracted to women.

 

[Red Arremer]

You know the word "double standards"? This is, basically, exactly the case here.

Emancipation is fighting for the equal treatment of both genders, and this includes media. However, media still treats both genders differently and caters to the stereotypical rolemodels. For instance, you have stuff about cooking, clothes and decoration in women's magazines, while you will see topics like working out, cars or computers more in men's magazines.
Furthermore, men have to be "manly" and women have to be "sexy" in order to have success in acting or singing. There's rare occurences where the actual talent or skill overthrows the looks. Or, even less common is the combination of both. And it's still the looks of an actor or singer that makes them sell better.
In video games, it's even more apparent: How many games do you have that display girls in a more erotic way, and how many games do you have with men in such a situation? I think the answer is clear. Now, look at the main consumers of video games: Males between 16 and 35.

Basically, sexuality is used as "bait" for many things, catering to both genders - probably towards men more than towards women.

 

[Jam Stunna]

In Baltar's world: We can't be irritated that women are still treated as a piece of meat even though most of us here are likely attracted to women.

Does it hurt to be so self-righteous? Look, I can do it too:

By treating women as perpetual victims (stating that they're treated as "pieces of meat"), you, GreenKirby, deny their sexuality and their long struggle for equality and respect.

Gee, that was easy and totally unproductive!

 

[황미영]

Blame the sexual revolution for making it so open with sexuality. And I think the most common reason as to why they do it is just to gain more money. Unless you are a narcissist, which I never in the media. I don't really know, I'm ignorant.

 

[Teran]

Well I think the problem stems from the repressing of sexuality in society, America more than Europe. The taboo and risqué nature increases the attraction to these sexualised images when they're put in the media.

I remember when I played Tomb Raider as a kid, before I even had a sexuality, boobs and the like were always stressed as wrong to look at. Lara Croft was the most awesome thing ever, a video game character with enormous jugs, and it made me giggle looking at the video game cover and her enormous bust in game.

Sexuality only has a harmful effect in media because we push it away in a dark forbidden corner. Thing is, if you look at these forms of media like cinema, games, even pornography, there's one obvious thing. They're all part of a fantasy world, part of entertainment, escape. If people made the tie to the fact that these are fictional escapes and thus, not relevant to real life, they'd have half a clue about not every woman needing giant breasts, and sleeping with you in the course of you knowing her for 2 hours.

Sexuality is only really discussed and explored in the world of fiction, and that's a dangerous thing, yes.

It's funny actually a lot of rich Arabs I've met who've come to England for a while are always looking for girlfriends, prostitutes, illicit fun etc. Why? Well sexuality is extremely repressed in their home societies.

Now take a look at the Netherlands say. They have detailed sex education from 6th grade, and they have the lowest teen pregnancy rate in Europe, I'm not sure about the whole world though, but I think that's also the case.

Making women in media sexy whores isn't a problem if you actually have a decent medium through which the true nature of sexuality is explained to the young population. Unfortunately, it's not, so instead of kids growing up understanding what it's really about, they just see Megan Fox meet some guy in a movie and f*** him 5 scenes later.

Course they're going to think women are whores if that's all they see, it makes it more difficult for them to learn irl unless they have half a brain to separate fiction from reality.

 

[GreenKirby]

Does it hurt to be so self-righteous? Look, I can do it too:



Gee, that was easy and totally unproductive!

And when the hell did I say that women shouldn't have the right to express their sexuality?

Oh right, I didn't. If they do it on their owm violition, I don't care.

 

[JustKindaBoredUKno]

Honestly, it does bother me a little (I'm a guy, just to clear things up.)

Mainly because the media shows all these women acting like straight up whores, and women, the generally (let's face it) more impressionable gender takes it as okay. Then you see a ton of women going around making out with others girls, not because of their "open sexuality" but because Katy Perry's "I Kissed A Girl" song was cool. It's disgusting. I find myself almost keeping myself off the market just because almost any girl I'd consider attractive has done something stupid sexually, just to be "cool" or draw attention to themselves.* And its a HUGE turn off.

Although I suppose guys could just as easily be to blame. They're the ones finding all this "sexuality" okay, no doubt thanks to the media. So as long as the guys like it, the girls will keep acting however the media makes it seem okay.

*of course, I am in high school, so what can you expect, eh?

 

[Sucumbio]

lol CRASHiC's first boner revealed. >.>

I remember this came up awhile ago... I'll say now what I said then.

Blame so-called TV culture. This culture born from the 50's prepared the country's citizens for mass-information delivery and retention. Smaller ideas, in quick succession = 1 larger idea over a long period... it just sinks in eventually. We were programmed to have more sex. So that we'd spend more money, cause sexual activity leads to children, which leads to an increase in production.

TV then led to the VHS which led to a gigantic boom in the pr0n industry. The people of America were desperately hungry for it, and are still willing to pay TONS of money for it. We learn from a very early age that the best solution to sexual tension and repression is to act on it in secret, in our bedrooms w/the tape player, dvd player, on the computer.

Are Americans hypersexual? Sure... teen pregnancy is huge. I remember finding out my cousin is no longer a virgin at 13, and thinking "heh, oh well." She wasn't a **** or anything, it's just typical. The Internet, TV, movies, ads, all of it has SEX SEX SEX written all over it. There may be some programs that are more demure than others, but it's exceedingly rare to find no traces of sexuality in things. Even Church ads have sex in them, their ads portraying hot looking women and their hot daughters praying, etc. It's kinda funny, and yet kinda disturbing at the same time.

So then the real question becomes, how is this possible? I have to blame Producers of Art. Be it, TV, Movies, Graphics, Photos, you name it, those that produce it, are perverted to some degree. Take my ex's photographer for their senior photos. He demanded all the women go barefoot in the picture. Why? "Cause it shows your real beauty". Ok obviously he had a foot fetish, lol but in point of fact, I've witnessed a steady increase in barefoot media starting with the decline of pantyhose and silk stockings from the 80's. Women will actually risk frost-bitten toes for the sake of going barefoot, just to show off their feet, because it's expected of them, and they've adopted it as "sexy" and "normal."

That's just ONE part of the human anatomy that's affected by these Producers of Art. Then you have the mid-rift. Jeans shorter than ever, showing off the butt crack and put on the tattoo, almost an arrow pointing to "F me here, please." Shirts shorter, so you can show off your belly. Sexy? Yeah, ok, sure, unless you're 500 pounds, but sadly even they do it too and it's disgusting to look at. Point being nudity has crept out from behind the Puritan clothing styles of the 19th and early 20th centuries to show off more skin. Then you add in the makeup, something a child would have never been allowed to wear because it's too expensive, now is cheap enough that 7 year olds can wear it and look 14, just "old" enough to consider F-able. And then when they end up in that situation they wonder why they get *****, their parents wonder why boys in their mid-late teens are "trin' to hit that."

I remember once me and my wife stuck our head out the car window and scolded a parent for dressing her daughter up like a ****. "You know your kid looks like trash, don't you? Clean her up! Get some clothes on that! Cover that up!" Poor kid was like HUH cause she didn't know up from down, but the Parent sure as hell did. Parent's excuse? Well I was pimped out by my daddy at age 11 so why can't I do the same? Pathetic.

No self control. No accountability. No remorse. Just Money is the concern, and since Sex does sell, and sell well, then why the hell not use it, right? I mean I sound old fashioned when I go on like this, and I have Boris Vallejo posters all over the place. There is indeed a need for people to understand the Classical beauty of the naked Human Form, as so embellished by the scholars of ancient Greece and Rome, and again during the Renaissance. But the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit calender is not that. It's just showing T+A, something for men to get off over, and it's a poor example to lead for the children of tomorrow. It leads to a degredation in human sexuality, human interpersonal relationships, and ultimately serves to defeat the whole purpose behind letting kids be kids. Before you know it, we're gonna start evolving as a species, and our bodies will start allowing for pregnancy in the single digit ages, like it may have been tens of thousands of years ago. Way to advance!

 

[SOLAR]

If it's what people want, it's what the media needs to provide. As long as everyone continues to seek it out, it's not only necessary, it's the media's duty to provide it. What good does depriving people of what they want do? Absolutely nothing.

 

[mountain_tiger]

I remember when I played Tomb Raider as a kid, before I even had a sexuality, boobs and the like were always stressed as wrong to look at. Lara Croft was the most awesome thing ever, a video game character with enormous jugs, and it made me giggle looking at the video game cover and her enormous bust in game.

The funny thing is that I honestly never noticed any seuxal stuff before the age of 11. DOA2 used to be one of my favourite fighting games ever, yet not once did I notice that any of the female fighters had huge bouncing breasts...

Sexuality only has a harmful effect in media because we push it away in a dark forbidden corner. Thing is, if you look at these forms of media like cinema, games, even pornography, there's one obvious thing. They're all part of a fantasy world, part of entertainment, escape. If people made the tie to the fact that these are fictional escapes and thus, not relevant to real life, they'd have half a clue about not every woman needing giant breasts, and sleeping with you in the course of you knowing her for 2 hours.

I agree completely. Personally, I think that pornography, within reason, can be a good thing. Obviously it's not realistic at all, and I can understand entirely why people criticise it. But I'd like to think that most people would be smart enough to realise it's not realistic and not think that all women will do it with you instantly after meeting them. There'll always be people who take it too seriously, but hopefully that's the minority.

The good thing about it is that it allows someone to express themselves sexually more freely, and not become locked up inside themselves. Sexuality is a natural and unavoidable part of human nature; trying to suppress it can have negative consequences. Also, there's some evidence to suggest that more pornography available leads to fewer cases of ****.

Making women in media sexy whores isn't a problem if you actually have a decent medium through which the true nature of sexuality is explained to the young population. Unfortunately, it's not, so instead of kids growing up understanding what it's really about, they just see Megan Fox meet some guy in a movie and f*** him 5 scenes later.

I ended up learning about it by reading a book when I was like... eight? That said, there were all sorts of things I had no idea about (e.g. the concept of homosexuality didn't even enter my head until I was twelve, other sexual acts etc.), so... yeah.

Course they're going to think women are whores if that's all they see, it makes it more difficult for them to learn irl unless they have half a brain to separate fiction from reality.

As stated above, I'd like to think that those people are in the minority, but it really wouldn't surprise me if the figure was higher than I thought.

 

[Chronodiver Lokii]

Well, I'm a girl and it doesnt really bother me.
As stated a few times in this thread, sex sells.
Anything to get the consumer to buy their product. In my opinion, thats a smart tactic.

 

[BOB SAGET!]

lol DOA2 is the best!

 

[Teran]

I ended up learning about it by reading a book when I was like... eight? That said, there were all sorts of things I had no idea about (e.g. the concept of homosexuality didn't even enter my head until I was twelve, other sexual acts etc.), so... yeah.

Yeah an 8 year old voluntarily reading a book is extremely rare these days.

 

[*JuriHan*]

Eh in women studies (required course, did NOT want to take it) scientific evidence/research shows some negative effects of porno for women- the male viewing their partner as not being as sexually attractive thus hindering their arousal, or they will even be more tolerant/conditioned to violence against women after viewing porn.

For your question I think a lot of the suppression has to do with the dominant religon and it's teachings in today's society.

 

[mountain_tiger]

Yeah an 8 year old voluntarily reading a book is extremely rare these days.

I was a real bookworm was ages, but then I started getting bullied for it a lot, which turned me off (yeah, I know, weak against peer pressure etc.), and the fact that I use the internet way more nowadays hasn't helped much...

Still, on the bright side, at least I don't write stuff like 'OMG im soooo drunk rite nao, innit' or 'Plz send pics of ur gf' on Facebook.

Eh in women studies (required course, did NOT want to take it) scientific evidence/research shows some negative effects of porno for women- the male viewing their partner as not being as sexually attractive thus hindering their arousal, or they will even be more tolerant/conditioned to violence against women after viewing porn.

For your question I think a lot of the suppression has to do with the dominant religon and it's teachings in today's society.

Women studies? Is that as banal and uninteresting as it sounds?

Anyway, isn't porn with violence illegal? Obviously that wouldn't stop everyone looking at it, but surely that can't be very widespread?

Though considering how much we're mentioning how women are presented, let's not forget that men are often misrepresented in porn as well. They're often highly muscular, desperate for nothing but sex and mistreat women. What if susceptible women start thinking that all men are like that and get turned off them, just as susceptible men think that all women are sex objects?

And gay porn is a lot like that as well (yes, I've watched it before), enforcing stereotypes that all gays are either incredibly masculine or incredibly feminine, with little middle-ground. The lack of condoms used is also worth noting...

 

[Scidadle]

I love pornography.

 

[Teran]

I hope this doesn't turn into Atl South's pornography appreciation thread. Try not to make this childish or I'll have to close a Jam Stunna blog.

 

[*JuriHan*]

Women studies? Is that as banal and uninteresting as it sounds?
[/QUOTE]

haha dont let the name fool you, "women studies" is simply a PC term for "Feminism propaganda" Does that answer your question?


edit- ****, i messed up the quote. oh well, im lazy

 

[Jim Morrison]

Though considering how much we're mentioning how women are presented, let's not forget that men are often misrepresented in porn as well. They're often highly muscular, desperate for nothing but sex and mistreat women.

From countless observations, I can assure you, this is not true.

 

[john!]

There are a lot of great posts in this topic.

From countless observations, I can assure you, this is not true.

What's not true, the constant muscular-sex-mistreatment attribute, or that porn misrepresents it?

 

[Jim Morrison]

Men aren't always muscular in porno, and I approve of it when they are. I like to look at it more than fat. Muscle has structure, fat just blubbers around.
Also, yes, men are badly repped in the business, we often don't look like that (I do, but I'm just awesome)

 

[Teran]

From countless observations, I can assure you, this is not true.

Yet the lighting and camera angles definitely exaggerates the size of one part of their anatomy.

 

[spookyskeptic]

Disclaimer: I love T&A and have them, so I can offer a unique perspective.

My problem with sex in the media isn't it's presence. Teran's right about it being still excessively taboo, but the places where it's out in the open are often inappropriate or dangerous. For example, my issue with Taylor Swift and the seeming sexuality isn't the sexuality, but that it's marketed it at children. There's many teen pop stars about whom that could be said, but not all of them actually posit that they're a good role model. Not only is this sexually and romance-themed pop marketed at children, but it's an unrealistic and unhealthy idea of relationships. It's also true about the nerd-pr0n/pro-stalking pile of crap known as Twilight. There could be a whole discussion on just that, like how pornography hurts women not because of objectification, but because every woman thinks she has to have some big dramatic, freight train orgasm and that there's something wrong with her or her mate if she doesn't. Then again, if we try too hard to block and avoid sexuality where it relates to young people, you end up with the awkwardness that is Mandy Moore.

I digress.

Sexuality is something of which I think we need more age- and context-appropriate exploration. It needs to be portrayed healthily and positively, but not with the "run, run, get you some" mentality. No sexy 'tweens, plz k thnks. On the other hand, kids do need to be taught about sex and it needs to be done in the right environment, as I just stated.

Now, as far as unhealthy body image goes: If a woman is dumb enough to think that being skeletal is desirable or healthy or that a man that will only talk to her if she's skeletal is desirable or healthy, then she's a ****ing moron or has a mental illness. Either way, there's a drug and/or a therapy program for that. On the tangent that came regarding magazines... Cooking and decor magazines are targeted at women and car and athletics magazines are targeted at men. If a woman feels compelled and obligated by that marketing to be Suzie Homemaker, then, again, the moron alarm goes off. Know what's on teh Spookeh's periodical reading list? Popular Mechanics and Rolling Stone. You know, guy-themed stuff. A woman can choose what she wants to be. If she wants to let herself be tooled, that's her problem. I'm not saying there isn't still rampant sexism in some facets of our culture, but it ain't 'cause Ladies' Home Journal still publishes or because Hugh Hefner wants to pay a woman thousands of dollars for a picture of her boobs.

 

[Scidadle]

I hope this doesn't turn into Atl South's pornography appreciation thread. Try not to make this childish or I'll have to close a Jam Stunna blog.

Yeah...

ATL South is pretty cool

 

[bobson]

Anyway, isn't porn with violence illegal?

I hope not.

 

[Teran]

Yeah...

ATL South is pretty cool

I lurk there all the time it's pretty funny.

 

[Omis]

Necro porn is illegal but I dont think any other types of violent porn is.

 

[Teran]

Can we not go into detail about different types of porn?

 

[GunmasterLombardi]

I'm taking Health and learning 'bout sex.

The whole thing is a mixed bag imo 'cause of the STDs ya know. Ofcourse I understand what it's all about but what ppl exploit it to be in media is kinda sad.

 

[Firus]

My problem with sex in the media isn't it's presence. Teran's right about it being still excessively taboo, but the places where it's out in the open are often inappropriate or dangerous. For example, my issue with Taylor Swift and the seeming sexuality isn't the sexuality, but that it's marketed it at children.

Another example of this is Miley Cyrus.

One of my co-workers explained that her 7-year-old cousin can now do a chair dance, a lap dance, and a pole dance thanks to seeing Miley Cyrus do these in concert.

It's bad enough that a 17-year-old is pole dancing on stage, it's even worse that she's influencing young kids to do it.

Anyways, I don't really know exactly how to explain why it's offensive to me; I grew up with two older sisters who were always talking about how much men are pigs, with a constant reminder of "DON'T EVER DO THIS". I think I just basically ended up growing up with a great dislike for any sort of objectifying of women.

 

[bleyva]

I grew up with two older sisters who were always talking about how much men are pigs, with a constant reminder of "DON'T EVER DO THIS". I think I just basically ended up growing up with a great dislike for any sort of objectifying of women.

thats really funny, i grew up in a very similar fashion, and it caused me to have an extreme hatred of females. i was always being told of how men are pigs who rule the world and beat down women, all the while seeing virtually no real-world evidence to support this; the things my dad told me after his divorce with my mom didnt exactly help

sexuality is a very sensitive issue that will never be resolved. Boobs and ******s will always have a certain control over the male mind, and this fact will always make men resentful and somewhat embittered, which leads to all kinds of consequences in the civilized world.

this is why ive always said it would be so much easier to be a gay guy; obviously there are exceptions, but generally theres always an even playing field emotionally (not to mention both parties want to get some, so theres no bull**** to worry about).

 

[El Nino]

Sex in media doesn't bother me. It also doesn't excite me. Probably because it doesn't target my tastes. So. Oh well.

Other stuff:

The U.S. has Puritan-like cultural influences, and yet it also has a dominating media-driven pop culture fueled by the free market. The two halves are not growing with each other; they're growing apart.

There are vast amounts of sex in media compared to the very low levels of sex education (sex is also seen as a topic unfit for open discussion). Commercial media is extremely sexual, and yet a lot of public schools seem to not provide very extensive sex education to their students, usually due to parental complaints. So what you have is an entertainment industry that sells sex in exaggerated form, set up right next to communities that still treat it as a taboo.

Growing up, people get mixed messages. The TV or Internet tells them to buy into it, and yet the voices of authority at home, at school, at religious gatherings, tell them to stay the h*ll away.

One big factor in this is the common view toward minors (persons below the age of 18) as individuals who must be protected from their own sexuality at all costs.

I honestly can't say who is right or wrong. I do support education, and I don't think education alone would push people toward harmful behavior, nor towards sexual behavior any more than they are already biologically driven for it. I think education is important for them to make smart decisions.

To make matters even more complicated, the media serves to fill the gaps left by the education system.

I got this idea from the Taylor Swift thread and the complaints about Lady Gaga's "hypersexualization,"

I think I was the one who first used that word in the thread. It was referring to a Jewel video that satirized the rise of that kind of female music artist. I don't think the video and song were meant to preach against openness--I think it was probably just a jab at the tackiness of using sex to sell music, from an artistic standpoint, and probably because someone once tried to tell Jewel to sex up her image, to which she responded with that video, in ironic fashion.

you see a ton of women going around making out with others girls, not because of their "open sexuality" but because Katy Perry's "I Kissed A Girl" song was cool. It's disgusting.

Actually, literature on the subject tells me that female sexuality is more fluid than male sexuality. Women are more likely to be bisexual than men. So that stuff mentioned up there might not be "impressionable" females acting out a music video. That might just be an open expression of female sexuality. It probably looks like media is to blame, but only because we might be more inclined to use male behavior as a standard for gauging behavior in general.

But then you're in high school, so I really don't know.

Eh in women studies (required course, did NOT want to take it) scientific evidence/research shows some negative effects of porno for women- the male viewing their partner as not being as sexually attractive thus hindering their arousal, or they will even be more tolerant/conditioned to violence against women after viewing porn.

Would you happen to have any sources?

Anyway, isn't porn with violence illegal? Obviously that wouldn't stop everyone looking at it, but surely that can't be very widespread?

And gay porn is a lot like that as well (yes, I've watched it before), enforcing stereotypes that all gays are either incredibly masculine or incredibly feminine, with little middle-ground. The lack of condoms used is also worth noting...

Lol. I'll tell you about it when you're older.

 

[mountain_tiger]

From countless observations, I can assure you, this is not true.

Hmm. It seems to be almost all the ones I've seen...

Necro porn is illegal but I dont think any other types of violent porn is.

Why would anyone want to look at that anyway? Talk about weird.

 

[Lythium]

 

[Chronodiver Lokii]

Honestly Lythium, you just made my day right there.
Seriously, my day has been made xD

 

[thegreatkazoo]

this is why ive always said it would be so much easier to be a gay guy; obviously there are exceptions, but generally theres always an even playing field emotionally (not to mention both parties want to get some, so theres no bull**** to worry about).

You're kidding, right?

Not that I am a gay guy or anything, but being homosexual in the states is not exactly smooth sailing. In most of the union, you don't have equal rights, you potentially face constant ostracism, and there's there whole "You're going to hell for your lifestyle choice" that some of the religious choose to believe.

 

[bleyva]

You're kidding, right?

Not that I am a gay guy or anything, but being homosexual in the states is not exactly smooth sailing. In most of the union, you don't have equal rights, you potentially face constant ostracism, and there's there whole "You're going to hell for your lifestyle choice" that some of the religious choose to believe.

that post was purely from a sexual relations perspective. i figured it would be kinda obvious that i wasnt referring to society's views on homosexuality, but whatever.

 

[Sucumbio]

this is why ive always said it would be so much easier to be a gay guy; obviously there are exceptions, but generally theres always an even playing field emotionally (not to mention both parties want to get some, so theres no bull**** to worry about).

>.> no there's not, lol gay couples go through the same stuff straight couples do, emotional turmoil isn't gender based, it's just human nature. and gay couples don't automatically or even "generally" consist of 2 "wanna get some" people, that logic is as unfounded and offensive now as it was 20 years ago when such things were actually passed around as fact (the whole gay people are perverted and sex-a-holics). K thx bi.

dammit kazoo

I think I was the one who first used that word in the thread. It was referring to a Jewel video that satirized the rise of that kind of female music artist. I don't think the video and song were meant to preach against openness--I think it was probably just a jab at the tackiness of using sex to sell music, from an artistic standpoint, and probably because someone once tried to tell Jewel to sex up her image, to which she responded with that video, in ironic fashion.

And... ironically... I thought she was sexiest on her debut release Pieces of You. I remember literally walking down a store isle and there's this cardboard display w/this chick on it, and upon closer inspection, learn it's someone called Jewel, but wow she was hot. I even got a poster! >.> and the album. Sold by Sex on that on. I never did get anything else of hers after that though, cause she stopped looking as hot as she did originally, at least in my mind.