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OLD, CLOSED Zero Suit Samus Video Thread (2/2/10)

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NickRiddle

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Start where you can, right? I know I made silly mistakes, but I know I can do better if helped.
True, sorry, just being a ****. I'll give you a detailed thing if you want.

Match 1:

0:10 Glide Toss > Utilt? Doesn't seem to make sense, especially because he blocked the item throw. You left yoruself wide open.

0:19 Fall off platform uair?

0:54 Did you mean to kick that way?

1:48 For like the 5th time, you knocked him off the stage with something easy to follow-up with, and you stood at the edge, watching. JUMP OUT THERE! Nope recovered high, so far, almost EVERY TIME!

1:53 I know you failed to predict him with the grab, but a d-smash would have been a better option anyway. It would have led to a kill, which a throw at that % does not.

3:10 You got him to read your roll wrong... and you rolled back into him...

3:23 F-smash. Good sheee~(sfl thing. good ****)

3:39 You keep goign for uairs, when u-smash is usually safer pressure. At least on the side platforms.


Too many back rolls, not enough air chazing.
Is it just me, or did you not use 1 d-tilt this entire match? I might have forgotten, but you def. need more of them.


Match 2:

0:00 You took him to Frigate? Not Rainbow Cruise, or Norfair, or Brinstar? Suit yourself.

0:05 Uair > Utilt isn't good. Uair > uair, uair> u-smash or uair > up-b.

0:37 Charging the u-smash is pretty much pointless IIRC.

0:50 - 0:55 Mix up some up-bs in there, to pull him back down. On platforms that low, up-b > uair is guaranteed IIRC.

Nice second kill.


Lots of jab, LOTS of u-tilt, and NO d-tilt. Gotta change those few things.
Be a little more aware of Snake's exploding things, I watched you get hit by stupid nades, and your second death was pretty easy to avoid.


That's about it. XD
 

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Nope is to be considered Top 10 snakes but he was handling the match up very strangely

**edit - Jesus nick lol
 

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True, sorry, just being a ****. I'll give you a detailed thing if you want.

Match 1:

0:10 Glide Toss > Utilt? Doesn't seem to make sense, especially because he blocked the item throw. You left yoruself wide open.

0:19 Fall off platform uair?

0:54 Did you mean to kick that way?

1:48 For like the 5th time, you knocked him off the stage with something easy to follow-up with, and you stood at the edge, watching. JUMP OUT THERE! Nope recovered high, so far, almost EVERY TIME!

1:53 I know you failed to predict him with the grab, but a d-smash would have been a better option anyway. It would have led to a kill, which a throw at that % does not.

3:10 You got him to read your roll wrong... and you rolled back into him...

3:23 F-smash. Good sheee~(sfl thing. good ****)

3:39 You keep goign for uairs, when u-smash is usually safer pressure. At least on the side platforms.


Too many back rolls, not enough air chazing.
Is it just me, or did you not use 1 d-tilt this entire match? I might have forgotten, but you def. need more of them.


Match 2:

0:00 You took him to Frigate? Not Rainbow Cruise, or Norfair, or Brinstar? Suit yourself.

0:05 Uair > Utilt isn't good. Uair > uair, uair> u-smash or uair > up-b.

0:37 Charging the u-smash is pretty much pointless IIRC.

0:50 - 0:55 Mix up some up-bs in there, to pull him back down. On platforms that low, up-b > uair is guaranteed IIRC.

Nice second kill.


Lots of jab, LOTS of u-tilt, and NO d-tilt. Gotta change those few things.
Be a little more aware of Snake's exploding things, I watched you get hit by stupid nades, and your second death was pretty easy to avoid.


That's about it. XD
Thanks a bunch. I do tend to overuse Utilt and Uair. I will try to go more matches without abusing them. I can get a little roll-happy, so that's another thing I need to avoid. Thanks for the tips. I'll try to apply these things to the next time I have to play a Snake.

Frigate is a stage of comfort, for me. I know it's out of line with ZSS counterpicking, but it's just me. I'll have to get out of that small phase and try to get him to a better stage, next time.
 

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One thing I noticed, mostly because I have this problem myself, is that you seem to flounder when getting pressured at close range. You'll do things like jab (which is almost never a good idea against Snake), spam utilt (which he wasn't punishing you nearly hard enough for, or just sit in shield.

From what I've seen many Snakes are good about mixing up their close range options, better than this Snake was, with things like jab>grab or jab>ftilt, ftilt>wait>ftilt again. You have to be aware of these mixups and predict what he's going to do if he's mixing it up well, or if he has a predictable pattern (nope often would ftilt your shield once then wait, which is a tough position for you) then you can exploit that.
 

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Thanks. Every bit of this helps me. I'm goin' to another tourney this Saturday, hopefully results show progression.
 

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You're certainly much better than me, so don't take my advice as gospel, but I noticed you use a lot of b-air early on, so by the time they're on high % it's very decayed. This leads to trouble killing ROB in the first match. Possibly mix in some f-air early on when you can get away with it, to minimise this issue?
 

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Nice matches.
I see that you always glide toss in the first piece and then run behind the ROB trying to follow up, almost forgetting their are two other item pieces.
The effect was that the ROB could just pick them up (he didn't tough) and useit with his pretty good item game.
ROB has a good Glide Toss and one of the longest DACITs of the game (I heard hecan slide over half of FD..). An item piece together with a Gyro that he can shoot can also be a danger.
Keep more control of your item pieces, this opponent may not have punished you for it, but other may.
In the second match you had some visual trouble cathing those item pieces with airdogde's / z catches, you might want to practice a bit more, although you did that great the first match, so I don't know what the situation really is.

In your game, you use reatreating paralyzer gun, alot. The ROB reacted everytime by just shooting his laser. You really want to keep zoning ROB because he has a very good camping game.

Also, I missed some of the down smash follow ups. You kept the down smash > DA > Up tilt combo, wich might not be the most damaging one. UP tilt has quite some after lag so its not that easy to start a juggle from it.
Maybe you should go for Down Smash > Down Smash > Up Air somewhat more, seeing ROBs juggle weakness.
And no infinite. =/

Hope this helped.
Enjoy your beer =3
 

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@ Blakmane: That's a bad habit I know.
I always forget the decay difference between Brawl and Melee.
The results is that I've alot of troubles when it comes to kill my opponent.
I'll work on some new mix ups to avoid this problem.


@ Volcanic Doomfire:
Unfortunately I know that my item game it's very bad and predictable.. :(
So I'm trying hard to improve it so I've really appriciate your critique.
Abot the Dsmash follow ups, I usually forget that I can Dsmash twice lol... :(
Plus I'm not able to do the infinite consistently.. Another thing to practice >.>

P.s: The beers were good :laugh:



Thanks alot guys for your help, much appriciated. =D
 

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Absolutely Amazing! That is a true pro right there. Still proving to be the best zss to date!
I have a lot of vids to post of me and salem but ill wait till the nick rapping face storm calms down to post.
 

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Game 1 of LFs:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14p8q3T5gFw


I duno I didn't really see much different in Ally's playstyle than the first two, more of it seemed like FD was stopping the crazy juggles that Nick pulled off in Winner's. And too much paralyzer/side b camping and approaching I think, he got the handle on the PS timing pretty quickly. That shield break killed your momentum. You seemed more nervous too, like your movements weren't nearly as fluid as they had been in the first two
 

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You can spam Forwaird B and Down smash there without any problems.
Its awesome, lulz.

But seriously you should ask Solecaliber cause I think he's the most succesfol wifi ZSS.
 

solecalibur

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You can spam Forwaird B and Down smash there without any problems.
Its awesome, lulz.

But seriously you should ask Solecaliber cause I think he's the most succesfol wifi ZSS.
Im quoting this but saying WTH im not that good =X
I only beat a couple of falcos
 

Dakpo

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i think me Salem and Patg are the best zss on wifi, and i dont think im bad offline as well. then again i have one been to one offline tourney. i have never seen solecalibur on anything but samshboards. Do you Aib or GB or something?
 

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I haven't been playing all that much (or well) lately, but here's some videos from the latest tourney I was at

Adapt (ZSS) vs Byron (Wolf/Zelda)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDAMgc8Zt90
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Wh606QNkcU

Adapt (ZSS) vs KOPop (GW/Lucario)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhmnxomyVa8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMYmmmqheYM


Adapt (ZSS) vs Lamb (Pika/Olimar)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmVkxwWfkI4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KteGRRI3LFw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbftxtFec_Y

Adapt (ZSS) vs Orb (Lucas)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCRu0WkxmVw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0GDTZoPyUE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJLcr-ShRVM


I hate facing Orb because she's my doubles partner
Hopefully some of the doubles matches will be up in the next couple days.
 

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Hero played Scatt at yesterday's tourney. Just thought I should post it here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohTX5Rxgkxs
Needs moar utilts and dtilts

also needs to stand his ground after taking his first stock and not run away (I have the same habit lol)

also needed to stop with the random spot dodges towards the end as he/she got really nervous it seems (same habit lol)
 

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Needs moar utilts and dtilts

also needs to stand his ground after taking his first stock and not run away (I have the same habit lol)

also needed to stop with the random spot dodges towards the end as he/she got really nervous it seems (same habit lol)
Yea I have some (a lot) matches of him vs. my Fox but they aren't save on my SD card so I can't upload them I have to wait for Scatz to do it.
 

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These are just recent friendlies since i practically never get to play on a wii w/ infinite replays at tourneys :/.

Advice plz

Vs Micaelis(DK) 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adP8nxWJWYs

Vs Saltix(Mk) 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yv8pWFflZH8&feature=related
Wasnt a very good match for him but was the only one uploaded :/

Vs Scatz(Pikachu) 1&2 and 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoIB9TDF--I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLntCHJRT2I
Hes actually started to camp me lately and beat me cause of it. Whats a good way to deal w/ a super campy pikachu?

Vs Scatz(Yoshi) 4&5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0rcWBzac2k

Vs Kismet2(Falco) 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3Tss-_PqNA
There were a lot more friendlies w/ kismet but i guess they arent gonna be uploaded. Most of those i just kept 1 piece of armor(i think, maybe not). He also didnt spam down b in those >.>. I vsed him this weekend in bracket and lost 2-0 but he was 110%+ in both. We went BF first round and i cp'd RC second. Im hoping we saved those but iunno if we did. If i did i'll post those later when they get transfered to the person uploading matches. Also is bf a good stage to vs falco? I usually try to take them there first round and always ban FD.
 

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There were a lot more friendlies w/ kismet but i guess they arent gonna be uploaded. Most of those i just kept 1 piece of armor. He also didnt spam down b in those >.>. I vsed him this weekend in bracket and lost 2-0 but he was 110%+ in both. We went BF first round and i cp'd RC second. Im hoping we saved those but iunno if we did. If i did i'll post those later when they get transfered to the person uploading matches. Also is bf a good stage to vs falco? I usually try to take them there first round and always ban FD.
You didn't save any other matches vs Kismet.
 

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You didn't save any other matches vs Kismet.
Not on ur wii. I saved a bunch on osmo's and i thought that was a replay he sent u since he was asking about people who could upload replays. I guess i'll get those from him sometime or have him send them to u.
 

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Not on ur wii. I saved a bunch on osmo's and i thought that was a replay he sent u since he was asking about people who could upload replays. I guess i'll get those from him sometime or have him send them to u.
I told him to send them to me, but he only sent like 2 vids. Just let me know when you have them sent. Also, my pika sucks. You can beat it, just play campy back at me.
 

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I told him to send them to me, but he only sent like 2 vids. Just let me know when you have them sent. Also, my pika sucks. You can beat it, just play campy back at me.
Yea i will, me and calvin saved like 10 matches.

It isnt aimed only at u. I may run into others in the future. I'd rather learn how to face it now then to make stuff up when it happens.

Also stop replying in here, not the place lol.
 

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i've been a little hesitant to post videos up here, since im not very good, but what the hell. Heres a couple of matches from a set from a tournament i had this friday.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CptfqOP68A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YE1Y2_K_J0c (the last stock is ****ing awesome)

I know, i Nair too much, and please excuse the random full hops, self gimps, and f-smashes, i recently switched from wii mote to GC a few weeks ago. Still getting used to it :>
 

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I dont think I have time to criq all the videos as I have a couple more chapters to read but

@paw+ Game 2 everytime you where close range you seemed to d-smash and you probly would have not had enough time to land it unless they faked out, I suggest using dtilt a bit more (and ftilt for mixups)
also work on not rolling as much as it worked on this marth but in the long run its not going to work
Charging D-smashes is a good idea also instead of just c-sticking it ,
I liked your nairs in the match and seemed more like mixups then using it to much
You also have the habit of using forward b at close range when you can instead going for fair (one kick still = gtfo and enough space to get spacing again),


also double d-smash you have time =p

@turt
your match vs MK

Downthrow your items more!
If your getting rid of one of your items throw it the other way as MKs are scary with them =X (if they are approaching take your time predicting what he is going for)
Double down smash =X, if you miss the follow up you still do damage
Dont retreat off stage against a MK after you take a stock, hold your ground and sheild there dsmash spam lol
at 1:48 you could have went for the dsmash follow up with no punish (only works at low%s)
also love your sig to pro
 
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