Official SWF Tier List v8

[Grim Tuesday]

You're going to have a lot of trouble with Meta Knight/Anyone teams.

Aside from that, it's a solid team as long as you play it right. You'll have a lot of trouble being aggressive, it'll be a lot of camping the ledge, air and platforms and sneaking in stray hits. It's the kind of team that would annihilate a team that's worse than you, but would probably struggle more (and be very drawn out) against teams as good as you or better.

I'd say it works, but Puff definitely isn't the best character to pair with herself. I'd rather be with someone who can apply constant pressure and preferably not worry about getting hit around too much, such as Snake or MK.

 

[Shiny Mewtwo aka Jigglysir]

I'd say it works, but Puff definitely isn't the best character to pair with herself

but Grab -> Rest!
edit: also this was my 2222nd post

 

[1PokeMastr]

What about Lucario Lucario anubis ? :v

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Nah, Lucario is too flawed as a character
if both opponents go for one Lucario at the very start and quickly kill it, then they'll take control of the whole match

 

[pidgezero_one]

Would you say Puff/Puff is a decent team?

Cuz like, that's what I'm doing at the next Toronto Local that Stef and I both go to and we're planning on winning so we need to know exactly how we can do that.

I assume it means Grab -> Rest 6 times? Yeah I think that's what we should do.

 

[Shiny Mewtwo aka Jigglysir]

What about Lucario Lucas Anubis?

Lucario Luigi?

Lucario Mario?

Lucas Mario oh wait that's not Anubis anymore sorry.

 

[NH Cody]

what about jiggs captain falcon so the jiggs can rest someone right after they have been kneed

 

[Shiny Mewtwo aka Jigglysir]

what about jiggs captain falcon so the jiggs can rest someone right after they have been kneed

That's not possible.

The pure power unleashed in a Knee prevents Jigglypuff from using Rest for 3 seconds.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

It's dubbed 'the knee wave'.

Rest cannot function in its presence.

 

[Shiny Mewtwo aka Jigglysir]

It's dubbed 'the knee wave'.

Rest cannot function in its presence.

Falcon Punch has a similar effect, under which Jigglypuff completely loses control of all voluntary movement until the stock has been lost. I have a replay showing this effect (myself vs Meekspeedy) and will record it in crappy camera quality sometime this weekend and post to youtube to show you all.

 

[Thor]

I had thought the only important team of not-currently-considered-both-top-tiers (beyond Puff/Puff) was Pikachu/Kirby so Kirby can upthrow people while Pikachu jumps and hits the player in the grab with Thunder.

 

[pidgezero_one]

I had thought the only important team of not-currently-considered-both-top-tiers (beyond Puff/Puff) was Pikachu/Kirby so Kirby can upthrow people while Pikachu jumps and hits the player in the grab with Thunder.

today i ate a hot dog and called it a Hallowe'ener

 

[Luco]

Lucas Mario oh wait that's not Anubis anymore sorry.

Together they obviously make anubis.

Luc-ario.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

MK/MK
MK/Snake
Wario/Wario
MK/Wario
ZSS/Ness

Wario / Olimar is better than some of these teams.

 

[NickRiddle]

Wario/Olimar?
Never really seen a good one.
Except for like... Reflex/Denti, and I beat them so my view is skewed.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXdqZA-0AUA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLX7dWBA_mk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Fdue6z1Fkg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QUADM81NMU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voFbJV48h1s

Old but good.

 

[NickRiddle]

It seemed to somehow work pretty well.
Under Wario/Wario seems good then.

 

[#HBC | Scary]

Zelda in teams is wonderful.

 

[ぱみゅ]

What happened to the Dubs project, again?

 

[1PokeMastr]

Metaknight laughed.

 

[Tesh]

Bowser could be the absolute worst at doubles. Ganondorf is a better opportunist and sometimes good stuff can just fall into his lap.

Bowser loses the few things he does well in singles and gains...nothing.

 

[Luco]

What happened to the Dubs project, again?

Oh there was a dubs project? :o

 

[ぱみゅ]

lFor a second there I thought this was the BBR Social Thread lol
anyway

I once proposed that, instead of a Doubles Tier List, we should make a Smogon-like analysis for every character, talk about their strengths, weaknesses, team roles, best partners, strategies, and stuff like that.
If people were too adamant about Tiers maybe a Smogon-like grouping instead of a 1-38 list.

Apparently some BBR members liked it but ultimately it never was done. And I'm not sure if I can spontaneously just make and run the whole project. :I

 

[Z'zgashi]

If people were too adamant about Tiers

 

[Luco]

I would support you in a doubles tier list man. :-)

 

[Z'zgashi]

Id be down with a dubs tier list, and would help as much as I could. It seems REALLY hard to make though since the game is a lot more balanced and there are way more factors.

 

[Luco]

Well it might be a good idea to start by rating each character's basic potential for teams, then using that as a rough draft to begin looking at individual teams.

I agree though. Rather than an exact listing, a general grouping for all teams would go a long way. So we could point out that tiers are the difference rather than the order of the characters within them.

 

[NickRiddle]

So... Dark.Peach might be right about Peach...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaIZt561BR8

Somebody get this man to Apex.

 

[Shiny Mewtwo aka Jigglysir]

So... Dark.Peach might be right about Peach...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaIZt561BR8

Somebody get this man to Apex.

Aw I thought that was going to be Kie 2-0ing Otori

 

[Dark.Pch]

Oh the irony. Oh good god the irony. I told you guys. And none wanted to believe me. I said all this stuff before Kie was playing the way he does. For YEARS! He played smart. But he did not input the wavedashing and ledge game into his game. And I been saying that it helps her bait and be safe. It was this year I believe Kie decided to put it into his game. And he now plays the exact way I been saying peach should be played.

I told you I know my stuff no matter how many times people disagree with me. I study and review things ALOT. Thats why I know alot about this character and can break a grain of info into millions of parts with Peach. He plays the way I always wanted to play. But due to my mental problem and other things, I could never do it. Thats why I get pissed at tournaments. Cause I know if I did this, fools would be done. And no one has played a peach on that level of control. So thats why, you guys just play the way you do, and get away with it. Any other type of play is Peach making it hard for herself to win. And giving you guys a free time. I wish I was the first one to do this. But I'm happy someone finally did it.

I'm currently practicing all this once again, and will be training alot with NJ now. Doing stuff the correct way. Once I do, apex time, ****ing game over for all of you. And i will also say once again the match up chart is flawed for my character. it is not based on the control and brains of Kie.its based on average play that means nothing. I'll changed that though. Least around here on the EC. WC is already being stressed with SlazyerZ doing it to them over there. Putting down the likes of Larry. Nearly beating tyrant in GF. Peach in grand finals? When was the last time that has ever happened with some killers at a tournament. With a character that you all thought was garbage and bad? So to recap:

SlayerZ is pacing way too high now with some killers and quickly getting close to beating tyrant. he is the only american as of right now.

Kie (the best out of us all right now) Is bopping the likes of 9B, Otori, rain. And a few more. he is bopping japan with Peach while americans can't handle these guys for them to get top 8 at worldwide event. And my character is not even a damm high tier.

So for all that thought I was so bias and wrong. All those insults and jokes you guys put on me for years. All I gotta say now is........​

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I ****ING TOLD YOU SO!!!!​

 

[xDD-Master]

So... Dark.Peach might be right about Peach...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaIZt561BR8

Somebody get this man to Apex.

YES YES YES


lol @ dark peach

 

[Delta-cod]

But Peach still lost. Despite putting in what looked to be 10 times more effort than Wario/ZSS, she still lost.

 

[infiniteV115]

That's the point, Peach still sucks

 

[Dark.Pch]

But Peach still lost. Despite putting in what looked to be 10 times more effort than Wario/ZSS, she still lost.

You don't get at all. And as of right now, you are thinking simple minded.

If that is the best defense you have to slick your way out of this one, there is no point for me to even play again. It's over. You guys are getting weak.

 

[| Big D |]

A Peach in WF is still really good considering.

 

[Shiny Mewtwo aka Jigglysir]

Especially when you realize that the Peach 2-0'd OTORI to get there.

 

[Dark.Pch]

I think he could have won that tournament. I don't like how he played against Wario. While he was doing good at the start, he was giving wario too much room. Wario was usually full hopping air dodged to bait something or go in. Kie could have thrown in full hoped dairs going to wario and it would hit him out of his airdodge. Or space it and hit wario out anything he tries to go in with. its a really good anti air against most of warios stuff to bait and get a hit. She can be leveled with wario and stress him for it in the air. If Peach is not leveled with him, it comes hard for Peach to get a hit. Even if wario can not hit her. But at the same time her moves are not that fast, which can lead to wario to start his crap as you saw in the set. H

Kie was not really getting anywhere FAST with what he was doing. And it gave his opponent the time to make a comeback. If he add all of this with how he was playing, I think he would have washed the wario. I wish I could somehow get in contact with him and let him know what he should do along with the great play he was doing against wario.

Against ZSS he was a lil shaky. But then start playing on point. He seem to be forcing challenges against ZSS which lead to her getting hits with good and quick spacing. He seem to adapt to what he was getting hit for alot and decided to play a lil more calmer. A big change of that could be noticed towards his last stock.

Then him BARELY losing to the MK cause Mk just got a up-B hit out of her dair. He could have beaten him. **** happens. He did not get washed and had a strong chance of taking this tourny. So ether way this was something really big and good for Peach. Because he did not win the tourny means nothing. Look at what he did to get there. With a so called mid garbage character people say she is. To do all of that is freaking work. And lots of brains. So lets not play this "he still lost" card Delta. It's just open big excuse for you and the others to not admit you was wrong.

My point this whole time was Peach is way better then people make her out to be. And how wrong you guys were. And Kie is showing that. And SlayerZ showing it to the WC stressing people. Now I just have to catch up and do it in my area.

It's gone to a point that Anti himself is starting to think that Peach vs MK is near even.

"Peach vs MK is near even, just that they're no gdlk peaches in the US besides SlayerZ, whenever a japanese MK loses you guys blame it on MU inexperience as if youre a top player with Peach or MK to judge that"


I not gonna jump on that so fast to agree with him. For I am unsure. Though I will say his opinion is not really flawed. Kie beating otori and SlayerZ nearly beating Tyrant, His opinion is more legit then anyone else that would give some BS answer to this "Peach gets destroyed by MK" logic.

 

[infiniteV115]

Against ZSS he was a lil shaky.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Kie has never played Rain and has like a 1-5 record against 9Bs ICs.

 

[NH Cody]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeQeltsKD3M