[Official SSB4 Discussion] --- Nintendo announces 2 new Smash games!

[Shorts]

Don't worry. I don't feel like flamin. Daisy just isn't right. Maybe an AT though.

The next rep should be.... Geno Just kidding. Actually. It depends. If you count Paper Mario as part of Mario then he'd be my first choice and he'd also be a good one. (I'd prefer him have his own series and be a "Paper Mario" character) but if not, Toad would go before BJ for me. He is technically more important, more games, more potential, and playable. Though even if they screwed up BJ making him a fast clone, I wouldn't mind. Just so long as Paper Mario got in first.

back on the offical nsider forums i was a huge supporter of paper mario. but its been a good four years since then so i totally forgot about him! either him or bj. i think bj should have shadow mario as a transformation.

as for geno... -_-


i did some research into him & his likelyhood of being in ssb4...

ehhh, it doesnt look good :/

but it looks great for the following:
bomberman and megaman

 

[Paper Mario Master]

And they both don't have as much as Paper Mario. Toad could take all of the games that "a Toad" has been in. Mario Parties, Mario Karts, Everything really.

 

[Shorts]

Wow, quite a bit happened when I was gone. :V

Toad has more games, but I fail to see how he is more important or has more pottential. Outside of SMB2 he hasn't been playable in a mainstream Mario game, although I guess with a stretch you could count the two seperate toads from NSMBWii as part of his character...though they really aren't. Outside of the one real playable role he's had though, he's usually just a background character who gives out hints. Bowser Jr. though has consitantly been a lead villain in each main Mario game since his creation. In addition, Toad's moveset pottential, while existant, is relativley small in comparison to BJ's.

my thoughts exactly.

who do you think has the best chance of being the next 3rd party?

 

[Paper Mario Master]

Definetly Megaman. On the 250th issue of Nintendo Power he was their 4th favorite hero. Behind: 1st: Mario 2nd: Link 3: Samus. And major fan popularity. And started on Nintendo and most of his games on Nintendo systems. He's got best chances for sure.

And about Mario. Paper Mario first. Then Toad and BJ tied.

 

[ToiseOfChoice]

Hey, Toise, welcome back. I finally got to playing NSMB Wii, but I have to share the time with Spirit Tracks, Fire Emblem, and BlazBlue.

Anyway, as I said a while back, I understand the minimalism approach you want to go for this game, but can't that be very limiting in the long run?

It would seem limiting, but what it's really doing is letting the most important stuff shine. Means eliminating or reducing the stuff that people don't care about. Would sum it up best as less fat and more meat, even if it means smaller portions. Make every part count.

The only issue is defining what's important, and a lot of SmashBoards people would deny that certain things they care about are a non-factor to the general public (the biggest of these being competitive balance). So, there's that.


One thing I would recommend would be more of an emphasis on co-op in whatever form. People like winning, and it turns out it's much easier for everyone to win if they're all on the same team.


edit @Pieman: Toad = Toads. Doesn't matter which Toad you see just like how it doesn't matter which Yoshi you see.

 

[Big-Cat]

Definetly Megaman. On the 250th issue of Nintendo Power he was their 4th favorite hero. Behind: 1st: Mario 2nd: Link 3: Samus. And major fan popularity. And started on Nintendo and most of his games on Nintendo systems. He's got best chances for sure.

And about Mario. Paper Mario first. Then Toad and BJ tied.

Why Paper Mario first? Toad and Bowser Jr. are much more prominent.

The only issue is defining what's important, and a lot of SmashBoards people would deny that certain things they care about are a non-factor to the general public (the biggest of these being competitive balance). So, there's that.

Maybe so, but remember that it's the competitive community that keeps the game alive. At one point, the noncompetitive players will move onto something else. I mean, I got tired of Mario Kart Wii after a while and moved on to something else. Nintendo can use this community as a means of free advertising or they could even milk it by sponsoring tournaments and getting a share of the tournament fees.

Here's another way of seeing it. The competitive community also acts as an active source to show demand for a sequel is wanted. Noncompetitive audiences are less likely to say something unless the subject comes up.

One thing I would recommend would be more of an emphasis on co-op in whatever form. People like winning, and it turns out it's much easier for everyone to win if they're all on the same team.

I'm in a similar boat. I'd like to see doubles matches be given more attention to. The team healer item was a step in the right direction. People like winning. Everyone knows that, but it's much more satisfying to win on your own or you pull your weight as well. Unfortunately, as people will naturally take the path with least resistance, you're going to have those people who will hide away in an FPS game and let the others do the killing for you.

 

[Shorts]

Definetly Megaman. On the 250th issue of Nintendo Power he was their 4th favorite hero. Behind: 1st: Mario 2nd: Link 3: Samus. And major fan popularity. And started on Nintendo and most of his games on Nintendo systems. He's got best chances for sure.

And about Mario. Paper Mario first. Then Toad and BJ tied.

yeah he would fit right in.

the reason i think bomberman has a chance is because most of his games came out on a nintendo system. And wario and bomberman have already crossed over.

poor bomberman

 

[Shorts]

Why Paper Mario first? Toad and Bowser Jr. are much more prominent.

maybe because he is the main character in all his games? i really dont think toad is deserving of a spot. bowser jr is imo, much more fit for ssb. i think cackletta or her little henchmen guy is more deserving then toad.

but again, just my opinion

(the henchmen guys name is fawful! i just remembered!)

 

[Joe-kun]

maybe because he is the main character in all his games? i really dont think toad is deserving of a spot. bowser jr is imo, much more fit for ssb. i think cackletta or her little henchmen guy is more deserving then toad.

but again, just my opinion

(the henchmen guys name is fawful! i just remembered!)

Toad is already one of Peach's attacks, which is why I can't see him getting in, but like it was said, that isn't THE Toad, just A Toad.

Bowser Jr. - I'm surprised he didn't make it into Brawl to start with, at least as an AT. I can see him transforming into Shadow Mario with a very fun move set.

Paper Mario - I think he'd be quite fun. He wouldn't have to be a Mario clone at ALL since he has a hammer and can take advantage of being paper. That, and it would open up for his partners being AT's.

 

[ToiseOfChoice]

Maybe so, but remember that it's the competitive community that keeps the game alive.

This whole statement is completely false, but I could swear I've already talked about this with you. At any rate you'll need to accept that the competitive community is rather meaningless before you can comprehend why gameplay tweaks aren't the focus.

I'm in a similar boat. I'd like to see doubles matches be given more attention to. The team healer item was a step in the right direction. People like winning. Everyone knows that, but it's much more satisfying to win on your own or you pull your weight as well. Unfortunately, as people will naturally take the path with least resistance, you're going to have those people who will hide away in an FPS game and let the others do the killing for you.

When I say more co-op, that means 4v4 matches (even if it's still 4 max per console) or 4 player classic/adventure/event/etc. People love being on the same team, might as well make it so you can play the whole game that way.

 

[SmashChu]

Maybe so, but remember that it's the competitive community that keeps the game alive. At one point, the noncompetitive players will move onto something else. I mean, I got tired of Mario Kart Wii after a while and moved on to something else. Nintendo can use this community as a means of free advertising or they could even milk it by sponsoring tournaments and getting a share of the tournament fees.

There is a negative correlation with size of the competitive community vs the marginal sales of a game. Remember how I keep mentioning the fall of Street Fighter? Street Fighter has had declining sales, but the competitive community got bigger or stayed the same size (which was still big). Street Fighter 4 is a very unhealthy series. SF4 was the biggest success in a long time, but even it was far behind other games.

Here's another way of seeing it. The competitive community also acts as an active source to show demand for a sequel is wanted. Noncompetitive audiences are less likely to say something unless the subject comes up.

Competitive players don't play the same as noncompetitive ones and can even drive the noncompetitive ones away from the game. It's hard to keep playing when your weak at the game and you keep losing. Game that are too competitive make too big of a game and drive them away, but competitive players want this gap, so decline sets in.

 

[Jakandsig]

Good point, but SF keeps making remixes of every SF that comes out. So isn't it uneven anyway?

 

[Pieman0920]

edit @Pieman: Toad = Toads. Doesn't matter which Toad you see just like how it doesn't matter which Yoshi you see.

Still doesn't really change anything for what I said. The general population of Toads are on the whole less important to the story than Bowser Jr. has been in these recent years, and due to the general population of Toads being powerless mushrooms who get beaten up/kidnapped, they have quite a bit less pottential when it comes to being a fighter. (Though again don't get me wrong, they could be given a moveset just like how many others could. It still doesn't really change pottential though)

EDIT: And while this is my opinion, and generally not everyone else's, I've always though Paper Mario has had the highest chance of the Mario characters, because it makes no sense to have a second Bowser before a second Mario. Now I know Bowser Jr. is Bowser's son and all, but they are still essentially the same design, and have almost the exact same name. That, and I just don't see Toad working out all that well as a fighter/he's a bit less likely in my eyes than Bowser Jr.

 

[Jakandsig]

Wait, isn't there a main toad? He could get a move set.

 

[RickyPro]

Now, I am not all too familiar with Paper Mario...
But doesn't he have permanent party members while in battle?
If paper Mario gets in, I would find it interesting to have him as "Paper Mario& friends"(But without the &friends in title)
If that makes sense, then again, I am not Paper Mario Savvy. Please no flaming. Haha.

 

[Paper Mario Master]

Toad is already one of Peach's attacks, which is why I can't see him getting in, but like it was said, that isn't THE Toad, just A Toad.

Bowser Jr. - I'm surprised he didn't make it into Brawl to start with, at least as an AT. I can see him transforming into Shadow Mario with a very fun move set.

Paper Mario - I think he'd be quite fun. He wouldn't have to be a Mario clone at ALL since he has a hammer and can take advantage of being paper. That, and it would open up for his partners being AT's.

I think I agree with you. And as I've said, even if BJ didn't transform and turned out fast light but alittle different Bowser (like TL, but different FS) I'd be fine with it.

Yeah. Paper Mario would use partners for attacks (all partners). For the AT I was thinkin... Rawk Hawk? PM would be interesting and original and deserving of a spot.

I think I missed a whole Toad VS BJ thing.... Maybe I worded it wrong by saying he was important (but think of it this way: no Toad? No Toad Town, Barely any population. Especially the RPGs would be not the same). Lemme word it like this: Toad is one of the most reoccuring characters (besides the big 4 the most) and well known. When people think of Mario, if they think of 5 characters, I'm sure that BJ is not there.

Edit: @ Pieman, Thanks for Paper Mario. And plus Paper Mario has no clonish chance. Bowser Jr. has a huge one. So for me Mario (if PM doesn't get his own category) Paper Mario, Bowser Jr. THEN Toad.

 

[Big-Cat]

This whole statement is completely false, but I could swear I've already talked about this with you. At any rate you'll need to accept that the competitive community is rather meaningless before you can comprehend why gameplay tweaks aren't the focus.

Why wouldn't gameplay tweaks not be the focus? Yes, it's a multiplayer game, but that doesn't mean to skimp on the gameplay and not bothering to change anything. Twilight Princess was criticized for being too much like the other Zelda games. You want SSB4 to be subject to the same criticism.

When I say more co-op, that means 4v4 matches (even if it's still 4 max per console) or 4 player classic/adventure/event/etc. People love being on the same team, might as well make it so you can play the whole game that way.

I don't know how 4 vs. 4 could work well online. It might work for FPS games, but this is a fighting game and with Smash, there's a lot going on in any given stage

Anyway, what you just said regarding teams is a very generalized statement. From what I can tell, you're trying to apply concepts from FPS games to a fighting game like Smash. It might sound good on paper, but it may be very difficult to implement in a fighting game environment.

Competitive players don't play the same as noncompetitive ones and can even drive the noncompetitive ones away from the game. It's hard to keep playing when your weak at the game and you keep losing. Game that are too competitive make too big of a game and drive them away, but competitive players want this gap, so decline sets in.

Look, if you want to play with the big boys, you better come prepared, or at least be prepared knowing you're going to get your butt kicked due to inexperience. Unfortunately, not a lot of people realize this. In this case, don't go to a tournament expecting to win when you have people who know the game better than you are there.

As for decreasing the gap, why does this remind me of socialism? The thing you want to focus on is the initial learning curve where you learn the basic controls. After that, you're on your own to find out the applications of every tool you have and the exploitations for them as well.
In my experience with SF and BlazBlue, the learning curves at the beginning weren't all that huge, new to me, but not huge. Then there's remembering particular combos and move applications. The same goes for Smash.

Good point, but SF keeps making remixes of every SF that comes out. So isn't it uneven anyway?

Yet nobody complains about the yearly updates with Madden and other sports games. Do I smell a double standard?

 

[GodlyOwnage]

Obviously some tweaking for the game, make it faster like melee, bring all older (dropped) characters back ~we miss you Roy~ Some kinda of tournament team battle would be nice. for instance me and 4 of my buds make a team and go against a team of another 4, we could choose 2 matches of team battle or 4 single matches. Team would choose who playes for the sudden death match. I think it would be cool. I dont have online but i hear alot about how tis substandard so yeah...w/e needs to be done there.

Well let see here for ssb4 i would love to see Megaman, he is my alltime favorite character (before the battle network stuff killed his name) he could alternate costumes for his other games such as X,Legengs,ZX series, battle network and stuffs. They would add Zero, Protoman, and Bass and that set would be good to go.

I would like to see Mario and Luigi in a team like they have in the gameboy games, they would function kinda like iceclimbers do now.

Ridly is a must, maybe some other Metroid ppls, not a big fan of it but my brother is. Space pirates would be ftw.

Personally i think Sonic needs a suicide taunt so I can finally see him and his crappy games die, buh-bye sonic.

Pokemon trainer needs to be re-worked but i love his concept, Mewouth would be my main lol.

Shiek needs to be more like in melee with better more realiable kill moves, zelda is good except for her crappy grabbing... I think Link should retain his looks and moveset, with a higher jumping upB and his claw work on any part of the stage, and he should be able to pull enemies to him with it while he is in the air so he could follow it into upB for a really cool looking edgehog punish, make it to where the tip of the claw meteor mashes or something heck idk. anyway. Let him be able to transform into the wolf with Midna riding on his back, it would work like Samas into ZSS but make the taunt changing easier to pull off.



and now i will get into the less-likely but still would LOVE to see stuff.

If someone hasn't already said it and i know someone probably did...Kindom hearts and final fantasy need to be in hear. Cloud vs Link heck yeah i would get high off that crap. (GodlyOwnage does not endorse getting high off of you wii...)

anyway Cloud,duh...Sephiroth as an unlockable-and naturally he would be the hardest cpu ever created in history. Sora and Riku from Kingdom hearts...then insert King Micky cuz disney will not let him go unsponsered and that would be rox.

Since disney ownes Marvel now i would assume if they ever got into smash it would make for a crazy game. in which case all team battles would include storm and sentinals fighting each other, lol.

Master chief...heheheh...heh...meh i can dream. (if anyone makes a Master chief skin for snake in brawl i will love you)

Only thing else i can think of is multible final smashes and a better storyline, (yet we know you have sold enough games to have voice acting in Smash nintendo)

thats all i can thing of. If im spitting out the same stuff as someone else im sorry...almost 2000 pages of this thing kinda scared me so i just read the last 2 lol

 

[Jakandsig]

Why wouldn't gameplay tweaks not be the focus? Yes, it's a multiplayer game, but that doesn't mean to skimp on the gameplay and not bothering to change anything. Twilight Princess was criticized for being too much like the other Zelda games. You want SSB4 to be subject to the same criticism.


I don't know how 4 vs. 4 could work well online. It might work for FPS games, but this is a fighting game and with Smash, there's a lot going on in any given stage

Anyway, what you just said regarding teams is a very generalized statement. From what I can tell, you're trying to apply concepts from FPS games to a fighting game like Smash. It might sound good on paper, but it may be very difficult to implement in a fighting game environment.


Look, if you want to play with the big boys, you better come prepared, or at least be prepared knowing you're going to get your butt kicked due to inexperience. Unfortunately, not a lot of people realize this. In this case, don't go to a tournament expecting to win when you have people who know the game better than you are there.

As for decreasing the gap, why does this remind me of socialism? The thing you want to focus on is the initial learning curve where you learn the basic controls. After that, you're on your own to find out the applications of every tool you have and the exploitations for them as well.
In my experience with SF and BlazBlue, the learning curves at the beginning weren't all that huge, new to me, but not huge. Then there's remembering particular combos and move applications. The same goes for Smash.


Yet nobody complains about the yearly updates with Madden and other sports games. Do I smell a double standard?

But, Madden is basically a extention of 2000. I doubt it should be considred seperate games. They're all the same. Same gos for 2k sports...
But the thing is that SF4 is pretty much becoming like that. Includibg the fact That cap burns the value of each series.



Back to the Toad thing, it can be solved by inputing Toadsworth as a character as there is only one of him.

 

[Big-Cat]

But, Madden is basically a extention of 2000. I doubt it should be considred seperate games. They're all the same. Same gos for 2k sports...
But the thing is that SF4 is pretty much becoming like that. Includibg the fact That cap burns the value of each series.

SF4 becoming like that? Have you seen all the stuff being added into SSF4, it's more than any update has ever made in the SF series. Heck, they could stop there because SSF4 Turbo would have a lot to go up against.

If anything, Madden is more guilty of sequel stagnation than SF2 ever was.

 

[Shorts]

I think I agree with you. And as I've said, even if BJ didn't transform and turned out fast light but alittle different Bowser (like TL, but different FS) I'd be fine with it.

Yeah. Paper Mario would use partners for attacks (all partners). For the AT I was thinkin... Rawk Hawk? PM would be interesting and original and deserving of a spot.

I think I missed a whole Toad VS BJ thing.... Maybe I worded it wrong by saying he was important (but think of it this way: no Toad? No Toad Town, Barely any population. Especially the RPGs would be not the same). Lemme word it like this: Toad is one of the most reoccuring characters (besides the big 4 the most) and well known. When people think of Mario, if they think of 5 characters, I'm sure that BJ is not there.

Edit: @ Pieman, Thanks for Paper Mario. And plus Paper Mario has no clonish chance. Bowser Jr. has a huge one. So for me Mario (if PM doesn't get his own category) Paper Mario, Bowser Jr. THEN Toad.

of course toad is more well known. he has been in the mario franchise from the begining, or close to the begining. where bj showed up only 8 or so years ago. bj, DOES definitely have a big chance of being a clone, buuut on the other hand he could be molded into his own unique self if the right moves are given. like giving him the paint brush? and instead of a flame thrower type move like bowser give him fire balls that can be used in slightly more rapid sucsession. like what he does in nsmb?

if anyone wants to add on feel free

 

[Jakandsig]

SF4 becoming like that? Have you seen all the stuff being added into SSF4, it's more than any update has ever made in the SF series. Heck, they could stop there because SSF4 Turbo would have a lot to go up against.

If anything, Madden is more guilty of sequel stagnation than SF2 ever was.

Nit really. Everygame has great menu designs. Oh, and those minigames have some great features. I'm being sarcastic if you can't tell. But in all honesty Sf4 and Ssf4 look the same in design. However, if we were talking of MK, now THAT'S an original game. I wonder when 9 will come out.

 

[Shorts]

Nit really. Everygame has great menu designs. Oh, and those minigames have some great features. I'm being sarcastic if you can't tell. But in all honesty Sf4 and Ssf4 look the same in design. However, if we were talking of MK, now THAT'S an original game. I wonder when 9 will come out.

although i like mk a lot, i think excess gore takes away from really... how should i put this.... from really connecting with the characters? ya sorta get what im saying?

unlike, sf and ssb.

you really get a feel for the character and want to know more about them.

i hope that made sense to you

 

[DekuBoy]

Sorry mate but Mortal Kombat is dead. Midway Games shut down.

Personally I think they need to tone down a bit on the character details. I want the graphics to be toned down a bit as I feel the series is leaning towards realism a bit too much. I want it to look a bit more like Melee to be honest.

 

[Jakandsig]

although i like mk a lot, i think excess gore takes away from really... how should i put this.... from really connecting with the characters? ya sorta get what im saying?

unlike, sf and ssb.

you really get a feel for the character and want to know more about them.

i hope that made sense to you

Yes, MK is good like that.

Sorry mate but Mortal Kombat is dead. Midway Games shut down.

Personally I think they need to tone down a bit on the character details. I want the graphics to be toned down a bit as I feel the series is leaning towards realism a bit too much. I want it to look a bit more like Melee to be honest.

Only a ******** ignorant moron would say that after the public annoucement of MK9. Research first fool.

 

[Pieman0920]

I thought I said this before, but I'll say it again: Melee started the More-realistic-than-usual look, not Brawl. Mario's pants were highly detailed there, and Peach's dress had loads of things embroidered in it that don't show up usually. Brawl just had better graphics for you to see them with.

Personally I like the style.

 

[Paper Mario Master]

of course toad is more well known. he has been in the mario franchise from the begining, or close to the begining. where bj showed up only 8 or so years ago. bj, DOES definitely have a big chance of being a clone, buuut on the other hand he could be molded into his own unique self if the right moves are given. like giving him the paint brush? and instead of a flame thrower type move like bowser give him fire balls that can be used in slightly more rapid sucsession. like what he does in nsmb?

if anyone wants to add on feel free

He could but the chances are slim. The paint brush was in one game and his bat in Super Mario Sluggers I believe. As long as PM gets in I'd be fine with any moveset for BJ Shadow Mario or not.

I like your fireball idea. It's good. Though I don't know what his other moves would be. Would the ffireballs be small and rapid like a Falco blaster? Or semi charged and medium big?

 

[Jakandsig]

People, if we use toadsworth it would make sense because he's different from them all!

 

[Paper Mario Master]

'Understandable but he's not as well known and I just don't know. Toadsworth could make sense but he's not Toad, ya know? Besides it's PM and BJ first. I think we can all agree on that.

 

[Shorts]

He could but the chances are slim. The paint brush was in one game and his bat in Super Mario Sluggers I believe. As long as PM gets in I'd be fine with any moveset for BJ Shadow Mario or not.

I like your fireball idea. It's good. Though I don't know what his other moves would be. Would the ffireballs be small and rapid like a Falco blaster? Or semi charged and medium big?

yeah, maybe a tad slower but deals a little mote damage? he could use that clown flyer for a final smash. or use the koopalings in SOME way.

maybe he could hide inside its shell and spin about the stage, sorta like jiggly but slower.

im no bowser jr. expert so making a moveset is kinda hard

who do you think will come back in the pokemon group? its really up in the air for pokemon, considering they make/remake games every few years! jiggly and pika will stay..

 

[Shorts]

People, if we use toadsworth it would make sense because he's different from them all!

but who wants to play as him
only old people.

 

[Paper Mario Master]

yeah, maybe a tad slower but deals a little mote damage? he could use that clown flyer for a final smash. or use the koopalings in SOME way.

maybe he could hide inside its shell and spin about the stage, sorta like jiggly but slower.

im no bowser jr. expert so making a moveset is kinda hard

who do you think will come back in the pokemon group? its really up in the air for pokemon, considering they make/remake games every few years! jiggly and pika will stay..

I think I understand. His FS could be that thing in SMG. That little arship that's the boss of the Arship Armada level.

For Pokemon. Keep everyone and add... Mewtwo. And I'm starting to like the idea of Deoxys. There needs to be a HG/SS rep though cause there probably will be. But since it's technically not a new game maybe just a stage and boss? The only two bosses I can think of though are Shadow Lugia and maybe Primal Dialga. It would be harder to fit PD in the story though. Tin Tower could be a nice Stage though.

 

[DekuBoy]

Yes, MK is good like that.


Only a ******** ignorant moron would say that after the public annoucement of MK9. Research first fool.

Okay sorry. I thought that Midway was shut down. Also: overreaction much?

 

[SwedishChef]

but who wants to play as him
only old people.

Excuse me, fyi, Toadsworth is a pimp.

 

[DekuBoy]

Only if they keep his voice from Sunshine.

 

[Paper Mario Master]

I don't like the idea of Toadsworth anyways. I do like the idea of Deoxys now though.

 

[Shorts]

I think I understand. His FS could be that thing in SMG. That little arship that's the boss of the Arship Armada level.

For Pokemon. Keep everyone and add... Mewtwo. And I'm starting to like the idea of Deoxys. There needs to be a HG/SS rep though cause there probably will be. But since it's technically not a new game maybe just a stage and boss? The only two bosses I can think of though are Shadow Lugia and maybe Primal Dialga. It would be harder to fit PD in the story though. Tin Tower could be a nice Stage though.

i think if any hg/ss characters get in it will be pichu, or maybe slowking? wait..... nah not slowking and by the time ssb4 is revealed to be in the works there could be a fifth gen tgat steals everyones hearts

i personally want meowth in. he was planned to be in ssb1 but they didnt have time to add him.

 

[SwedishChef]

I don't like the idea of Toadsworth anyways. I do like the idea of Deoxys now though.

I was always a fan of that myself. 3rd gen needs rep and Deoxys is the perfect candidate.

 

[Big-Cat]

Nit really. Everygame has great menu designs. Oh, and those minigames have some great features. I'm being sarcastic if you can't tell. But in all honesty Sf4 and Ssf4 look the same in design. However, if we were talking of MK, now THAT'S an original game. I wonder when 9 will come out.

What do you expect? SSF4 is the follow up to SF4. It'd be strange if there was some sort of art shift or massive gameplay shift.

MK's original? I haven't played much of the MK games, but the only original thing I see is the use of shock value with the fatalities and whatnot.

I thought I said this before, but I'll say it again: Melee started the More-realistic-than-usual look, not Brawl. Mario's pants were highly detailed there, and Peach's dress had loads of things embroidered in it that don't show up usually. Brawl just had better graphics for you to see them with.

Personally I like the style.

Like I said earlier, there's a massive problem with the style, at least as it is. It might look realistic, but it moves unrealistically. Peach's dress is all detailed, but play the game and pause at an given moment during an attack and the details looks like they're painted on the dress.

Here's a good, and sexy too, example of this.

 

[Paper Mario Master]

i think if any hg/ss characters get in it will be pichu, or maybe slowking? wait..... nah not slowking and by the time ssb4 is revealed to be in the works there could be a fifth gen tgat steals everyones hearts

i personally want meowth in. he was planned to be in ssb1 but they didnt have time to add him.

I was thinkin for 2nd gen would be maybe Tyranitar? Not many big powerful Pokemon on the roster.

Meowth, sorry I'ma hafta say I don't like him. But we don't need a HG/SS rep if they get a good enough stage I think. Mewtwo is a must for me. Deoxys seems like it would be cool. But I'm not sure if it should use all forms or just attack...So... Pikachu Jiggs PT Lucario Mewtwo Deoxys...or Tyranitar for me. Do you think Pokemon is deserving of 6?

Edit: @ Chef, Yeah he seems like the perfect 3rd gen. And would make for an epic match for Mewtwo. And I'd also look forward to a Mewtwo-Lucario match along with others against Mewtwo.