[Official SSB4 Discussion] --- Nintendo announces 2 new Smash games!

ShinoandtheBallonFighter · Oct 10, 2009

There were a few (i think only 2-4 of like 25) that were released on the PS2, but one of those few was japan-only.

@Pieman- What is "good enough"? He's been with nintendo longer than Snake ever was >.>

The only way Travis will ever get in, is if his devlopers whine and sniffle to Sakurai about getting him, the way snake did, otherwise, he won't be getting in.

Also why should we have "just another 3rd party" when we can have a third party who paved the way for the kind of game the Smash is today

Big-Cat · Oct 10, 2009

ShinoandtheBallonFighter said:
Also why should we have "just another 3rd party" when we can have a third party who paved the way for the kind of game the Smash is today

Who are you talking about?

ShinoandtheBallonFighter · Oct 10, 2009

Travis Touchdown vs. Bomberman

Bomberman was among the first game to utilize the 4 player multi-tap ont he SNES allowing for 4-player action. It was among the first game series to utilize 4-way battlign games.

The most unique factor of Smash-the 4 player battles was not an original concept, Bomberman did it first, Smahs just utilized it with the fighting scene.

Fatmanonice · Oct 10, 2009

Paper Mario Master said:
R.O.B doesn't seem...well good enough if you ask me. He's an important video game character sure but, not really up there with Mario and Link. Why did he get put in? Why can't Bomberman be put in? He does have a Wii game.

Has he ever had a non-Nintendo console video game?

Yeah, he's had games on SEGA and Sony platforms. Regarding Bomberman, there's three things you need to make note of:

1. ROB really wasn't good enough but he's first party so there aren't any legal strings attached. When it comes to first and second party characters, Nintendo can pretty much add anyone they want .

2. Bomberman is owned by Hudson Soft which, oddly enough, is actually a second party to Konami. With that being said, adding Bomberman would give Konami two reps which would, in a sense, give Konami more loyalties when it came from the profit of the game sales. As you'd probably expect, I doubt this would sit well with other third parties involved.

3. The number of third party characters is limited and, if you ask me, should only be reserved for those with a ton of fan demand and/or have a lot of prestige. Bomberman really hasn't been that big of an icon since probably the N64 era. Sonic's still going strong. Snake's still going strong. Characters like Crash Bandicoot and Spyro have become borderline obscure since their premieres during the N64/PS1 era. With that being said, I'd personally see Megaman as the only major third party character left who really fits both categories.

Pieman0920 · Oct 10, 2009

Paper Mario Master said:
R.O.B doesn't seem...well good enough if you ask me. He's an important video game character sure but, not really up there with Mario and Link. Why did he get put in? Why can't Bomberman be put in? He does have a Wii game.

Has he ever had a non-Nintendo console video game?

If ROB was a third party character I would agree, but he's not. (And he technically did have a large role with bring back the video game industry)

If you hold Nintendo characters to the standards of third party characters, then I'd think that Travis and Bomberman could both get in easily, but that's just not the case.

ShinoandtheBallonFighter said:
Travis Touchdown vs. Bomberman

Bomberman was among the first game to utilize the 4 player multi-tap ont he SNES allowing for 4-player action. It was among the first game series to utilize 4-way battlign games.

The most unique factor of Smash-the 4 player battles was not an original concept, Bomberman did it first, Smahs just utilized it with the fighting scene.

Really, what are you talking about? Just because it used four players doesn't mean it had any real effects on Smash. Really now, the inclusion of 4 characters in a video game is akin to a video game having a certain level of graphics. SHould we represent the first game that used 3D graphics too? Smash is in 3D, so the first ever 3D game must have had an influence on it by this logic.

ShinoandtheBallonFighter · Oct 10, 2009

Multi-player prior to Bomberman was P1 vs. P2. Smash isn;t unique because it is a 3d game, it is unique because it is a series of fighting games that utilized mult-combatant play. Bomberman contributed to the latter effect.

...That hudson/konami thing really doe shurt his chances though....didn't know that initially. (Though in my ideal world Sonic and Snake would leave to be replaced by
Megaman and Bomberman, but that won't ever happenb >.>)

Paper Mario Master · Oct 10, 2009

Bomberman deserves it so much more imo. He did do something for vgs though not as much as R.O.B. apparently.

We could kick Snake for Bomberman if that makes things better, though what if Sonic got another rep? could we have B-Man and Snake that way? I still don't think Konami should get money for B-Man just let those guys that made Bomberman decide what to do with it......

Fatmanonice · Oct 10, 2009

Well, just to make sure we're on the same page, here's pretty much a lay out of Nintendo's second parties and the most likely third parties that could contribute characters to SSB4:

Nintendo's second parties:

Hal Laboratories, Intelligent Systems, APE, Brownie Brown, Alpha Dream (mostly old Square Enix employees), SORA (acquired back in March this year), Retro Studios (not a true second party but they have only made games for Nintendo thus far)

Third parties:

Konami (owns Hudson Soft and Kojima Productions), Square Enix (strong ties to Alpha Dream and owns Edios), Namco, SEGA (owns Sonic Team), Capcom (owns Suda 51 and owned Clover before it disbanded), Temco (owns Team Ninja), Treasure (strong connections to SEGA and Intelligent Systems)

Starphoenix · Oct 10, 2009

Outside of Megaman, only Final Fantasy or Dragon Quest truly have the best chance of being included in a future installment. The history of both games span as far back as the NES, both are extremely popular, and certainly are not lacking in the content department. SquareEnix never misses an opportunity to advertise their series and are on a relatively good basis with Nintendo currently. I still personally believe that Dragon Quest is the series SE/Ninty would go with in such a situation as it appears that it has become a mainly "Nintendo" series with Final Fantasy primarily being "Sony/Microsoft". Another plus for DQ representation (and Nintendo for that matter) is Dragon Quest X is, from what we know, a Wii-exclusive title. The game itself might not actually come out till around 2012-2014, by that time a Smash 4 might be in the works.

Who knows really, until someone working for Square makes a comment it is all unfounded speculation.

Solid Snake/Sonic the Hedgehog/Megaman/Slime or Protagonist of DQX

I could live with that.

Pieman0920 · Oct 10, 2009

Does Nintendo have Monolith Soft as a second party now?

In any case, what makes Smash unique is that its a fighting game where you knock people our of a ring, kind of like a super powered version of Sumo...though not really. The fact that its four players isn't something that's common, but its not the thing that truly seperates Smash from other fighters, and is in fact something that's optional. In addition, what exactly was the first four player game, because by this flawed logic, that's what should really get the representation.

Fatmanonice · Oct 10, 2009

Fatmanonice said:
Well, just to make sure we're on the same page, here's pretty much a lay out of Nintendo's second parties and the most likely third parties that could contribute characters to SSB4:

Nintendo's second parties:

Hal Laboratories, Intelligent Systems, APE, Brownie Brown, Alpha Dream (mostly old Square Enix employees), SORA (acquired back in March this year), Retro Studios (not a true second party but they have only made games for Nintendo thus far), Next Level Games, Game Freak/the Pokemon Company, Q-Games, Artoon, Camelot, Noise (strong connections to Namco)

Third parties:

Konami (owns Hudson Soft and Kojima Productions), Square Enix (strong ties to Alpha Dream and owns Edios), Namco, SEGA (owns Sonic Team), Capcom (owns Suda 51 and owned Clover before it disbanded), Temco (owns Team Ninja), Treasure (strong connections to SEGA and Intelligent Systems), iNiS (creators of Elite Beat Agents and Oudeon)

Reposting because I forgot some key second parties.

@ Pieman:

No, Monolith is no longer a second party to Nintendo.

Also, so that we're all on the same page when it comes to second parties:

Hal Laboratories (Smash Bros and Kirby franchise)
Intelligent Systems (Fire Emblem, Kid Icarus, Advance/Nintendo Wars, Daigasso Band Brothers, Paper Mario, Wario Ware, and Panel de Pon)
APE (Earthbound)
Brownie Brown (Mother 3)
Alpha Dream (Tomato Adventure and the Mario and Luigi games)
SORA (Super Smash Bros Brawl)
Retro Studios (Metroid Prime trilogy)
Next Level Games (Super Mario Strikers and Punch-Out)
Game Freak/Pokemon Company (the Pokemon franchise)
Q-Games (Star Fox Command)
Artoon (Yoshi's Topsy Turvy and Yoshi's Island DS)
Camelot (Mario Golf, Mario Tennis, and the Golden Sun games)
Noise (Custom Robo)

Paper Mario Master · Oct 10, 2009

Was it just Nintendo that made the other SF games? No wonder Command sucked so much compared to the others (SF64, SF Assault, I've heard SFA was great but I didn't like it, too much of a spin-offy feel) Then again it was hand-held......

Funny, Alpha Dream is "mostly old Square Enix employees" and they made Mario RPGs haha. Paper Mario wasn't from them but the first Mario RPG game (non-square at least) I like Intelligent Systems, I love FE and Paper Mario (well except for SPM it was not a PM game in my book, just a normal Mario game with Paper in the title and paper graphics)

Thirdkoopa · Oct 10, 2009

ShinoandtheBallonFighter said:
@Tre Koops
Third party: Who esle? What about Bomberman, he's had a longer run with nintendo (most of his games were on the nintendo consoles). The only think Travis has is recentness, which will be lost by the time SSB4 is develpoed

Bomberman...Oh, forgot about him. He'd be cool to see personally, but considering Suda 51 REALLY Sounds like they want travis in, then If they still do by the time development's going on, chances are they'll get it.

It's not like sakurai would go "Sorry, Megaman's the only one people give a **** About" Or "Sorry; you haven't appeared in enough games" As He and Snake have the whole developers ahead of them. Heck, what did snake do for nintendo again? Wasn't he only around during snes times and then moved onto sony and now sony and microsoft? :laugh:

Point in short: Developers of MGS wanted Snake in; They got snake. Developers of NMH Want Travis in; They may get travis. If not then there has to simply be SOMEONE Else as a second-third party...It's not like they can deny MM and Travis when sakurai said in an interview after brawl came out in japan that there was nobody else interested; Thus why I think there'll be two third parties.

Pieman0920 · Oct 10, 2009

Fatmanonice said:
Reposting because I forgot some key second parties.

@ Pieman:

No, Monolith is no longer a second party to Nintendo.

Eh? I really thought they were.....I guess looking at Wikipedia though, it says they are first party now....which makes me wonder if Reiji and Xiaomu has a chance of showing up in SSB4.

In any case, wikipedia also lists down Retro, Intelligent Systems, and SORA as first parties. :dizzy:

ToiseOfChoice · Oct 10, 2009

Paper Mario Master said:
Was it just Nintendo that made the other SF games? No wonder Command sucked so much compared to the others (SF64, SF Assault, I've heard SFA was great but I didn't like it, too much of a spin-offy feel) Then again it was hand-held.....

Rare did Adventures, Namco did Assault. Only SNES and 64 were developed by EAD.

thethirdkoopa said:
If not then there has to simply be SOMEONE Else as a second-third party...

Sakurai is under no obligation to add any specific number of third parties (or any at all, for that matter).

Fatmanonice · Oct 10, 2009

Paper Mario Master said:
Was it just Nintendo that made the other SF games? No wonder Command sucked so much compared to the others (SF64, SF Assault, I've heard SFA was great but I didn't like it, too much of a spin-offy feel) Then again it was hand-held......

Funny, Alpha Dream is "mostly old Square Enix employees" and they made Mario RPGs haha. Paper Mario wasn't from them but the first Mario RPG game (non-square at least) I like Intelligent Systems, I love FE and Paper Mario (well except for SPM it was not a PM game in my book, just a normal Mario game with Paper in the title and paper graphics)

Here's an overview of the Star Fox series when it comes to who developed them:

1. Star Fox (Nintendo/RnD Studio 1 *later became Intelligent Systems*)
2. Star Fox 64 (Nintendo)
3. Star Fox Adventures (Nintendo/Rare)
4. Star Fox Assault (Nintendo/Namco)
5. Star Fox Command (Nintendo/Q Games)

Yeah, Alpha Dream is run by one of Square Enix's old Presidents and a good number of their key programmers worked on games like Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars. Secret of Mana, and Chrono Trigger. Also, they have strong ties to Yoko Shimomura, the woman who has done the music for all except the Paper Mario RPGs and the Kingdom Hearts franchise. In Brawl, she was the person who did King Dedede's theme and the Tetris theme (version A).

BBQTV · Oct 10, 2009

thethirdkoopa said:
Bomberman...Oh, forgot about him.

and that ladies and gentlemen is why he wont get in

Thirdkoopa · Oct 10, 2009

ToiseOfChoice said:
Sakurai is under no obligation to add any specific number of third parties (or any at all, for that matter).

I mean by, say Megaman and TT's Developers ask for spots, you can't really say after snake that Sakurai would just say no to one of them. (Well, hypothetically speaking he could) - It's still possible for MM To be the only one still, I won't deny that possibility.

SmashChu · Oct 10, 2009

Fatmanonice said:
Well, just to make sure we're on the same page, here's pretty much a lay out of Nintendo's second parties and the most likely third parties that could contribute characters to SSB4:

Nintendo's second parties:

Hal Laboratories, Intelligent Systems, APE, Brownie Brown, Alpha Dream (mostly old Square Enix employees), SORA (acquired back in March this year), Retro Studios (not a true second party but they have only made games for Nintendo thus far)

Third parties:

Konami (owns Hudson Soft and Kojima Productions), Square Enix (strong ties to Alpha Dream and owns Edios), Namco, SEGA (owns Sonic Team), Capcom (owns Suda 51 and owned Clover before it disbanded), Temco (owns Team Ninja), Treasure (strong connections to SEGA and Intelligent Systems)

Fatmanonice said:
Reposting because I forgot some key second parties.

@ Pieman:

No, Monolith is no longer a second party to Nintendo.

Also, so that we're all on the same page when it comes to second parties:
Camelot (Mario Golf, Mario Tennis, and the Golden Sun games)

Actually Fatman, that is not correct. Retro Studios is a first party developer as they were bought by Nintendo back in the Cube days. Monolith is still first party. Camelot is third I believe (they did "We Love Golf" for Capcom), although some places list it as second party.

This is a good list of where the companies are.
Just to let you all know, the difference of whether a company is first or third party is based on ownership. First parties are ones where Nintendo owns 50%+1 of the company. A second party is kid of an agreement where they make games for Nintendo. Nintendo doesn't need to have stock in them, and is not the main controller (basically, Nintendo can't tell them what to do directly).

Paper Mario Master · Oct 10, 2009

Well since conversation is dead......anybody wanna talk about music? I have one song of the top of my head,

Cynthia Battle (non-original) Pokemon

Cyn · Oct 10, 2009

I'd like to see some other konami franchises represented besides metal gear.....

Paper Mario Master · Oct 10, 2009

I don't that's for sure, Maybe another Sonic or SEGA (preferably Sonic) but not one of the Konami/MGS

Any music you'd like to see?....

Pieman0920 · Oct 10, 2009

Wait that doesn't seem fair. If Sega gets a second character (which shouldn't be another Sonic character) then Konami should get one as well. In the end, I don't think either will have more than one character though.

As far as music goes, I was making a large list of music I wanted for SSB4 back in the summer, and I havn't been able to work on it that much recently. It was also a stage list too, since when you consider music, you should also consider the stage as well. Lets see....F-Zero was pretty much done here

F-Zero Stage 1 (Red Canyon Theme)
Red Canyon (GX) – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls1xkzPG39I
The Long Distance of Murder (X) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4I9h7SkZICg
8 Guitars (GX) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjkCHdCeeIU
Samurai Goroh (GX) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1B2oTe-Xy5o
Fire Field (FZ/SSBB) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRxyug08Wck
Japon (X) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gDFFWQsUYg
Wings for My Way (GX) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swrzOT8Tri0
Nazo No Murasamejou (NNM/SSBB) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMZXEpWbBSk

F-Zero Stage 2 (Neo Mute City Theme)
For The Glory – feat (GX) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuYyGT1FzRo
Staff Roll (X) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40xP9cTq9EY
Title Theme (X) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zBtUTKIVg8
Phoenix (GX) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3uhE2mrnsA
CAPTAIN FALCON (GX) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWg3A5KG3Pw
Mute City (FZ/SSBB) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQ-HjzyOkRc
Illusion (FZC) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8En9zmmwPUI

Past Stage F-Zero Stage 3 (Big Blue)
Big Blue (FZ/SSBM) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzIi-aI8zFE
Dream Chaser (X) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aH3kSXYV8wE
Crazy Call At Cry (X) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yw-ctA4eQK4
Climb Up and Get the Last Chance (X) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNPYhN0xOrk
Planet Colors (GX) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySLZKN5xzZ0
Shotgun Kiss (GX) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8Xh4MLuZgg

Keep in mind, I only keep things as "Themes" because I'm not 100% on everything. In addition, I put Nazo no Murasamejou on Red Canyon due to it being...well a Samurai Goroh kind of stage, in combination with the fact that I wasn't considering there being a stage based around that game.

And of course if you can think of any other F-Zero song to be included in there, I'm all ears.

ShinoandtheBallonFighter · Oct 10, 2009

@Pieman- Camelot is second party (Or if they aren't then we have no shot at Issac)

And I just want OoT songs back in.

Paper Mario Master · Oct 10, 2009

I honestly don't think there's one I know/heard/want that you didn't list

For Pokemon I want:

Cynthia Battle (recomposed or whatever like they did in Brawl w/ some songs including the pre battle)
Mewtwo's Theme/Battle or whatever name they want (Mixture of all the Mewtwo Battle themes)
Elite Four (Elite Four Battles from all the games rolled into one)

Others that I just can't think of, Pokemon music was a failure in Brawl

Wow there are alot of songs I want.....it'd take to long to think of em and type em too

Cyn · Oct 10, 2009

Paper Mario Master said:
I don't that's for sure, Maybe another Sonic or SEGA (preferably Sonic) but not one of the Konami/MGS

Any music you'd like to see?....

I know I sound like a broken record, but a castlevania rep which is from konami would be kick ***.

And any music I'd like to see? Nothing in particular, just way more, and a better stage builder app to compliment it. If mega man comes then I'd love a lot of music from his universe especially the retro stuff

Pieman0920 · Oct 10, 2009

ShinoandtheBallonFighter said:
@Pieman- Camelot is second party (Or if they aren't then we have no shot at Issac)

And I just want OoT songs back in.

.....Yes they are, and? I never said they weren't or anything. I just said pointed out a couple of first party franchises that Fatman listed as second.

I would like to point out that if a character can get into Smash, it does depend on who legally owns said character. Camelot does a lot of things with Mario characters, but they don't own them. Even though Golden Sun has only been produced under Camelot's watch, the same thing can be said about Sin & Punishment with Treasure, and despite that, S&P belongs to Nintendo legally.

EDIT: Oh yeah, and for more music~

Punch Out Stage 1 (World Circuit Theme)
Punch Out Theme (POW) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndaP9iieaok
World Circuit Fight (POW) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebYp_adEDYk&feature=related
Head to Head (POW) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39fCm1Xoj_E&feature=related
Menu Theme (POW) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dk3TsqGKW5Y
Soda Popinski (POW) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYhQO57hmPQ&feature=related
Disco Kid (POW) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSUt6AghGLk&feature=related
Little Mac (CR) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydCmtLrPRhs&
Training (PO) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVpfZpvQcTc

Fire Emblem Stage 1 (Radiance Series Theme)
March of the Lion King (RD) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXqUz_n4W8E&feature=rec-r2
Zelgius the Brave (RD) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URGodfsQf5w&feature=related
Goddess of Dawn (RD) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlBflHsPTs4&feature=related
To Challenge Ashnard (PoR) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uh-eOXkCyoc
The Devoted (RD) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=521lu66G84s
Opening Theme (RD) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0foZqGTOnQ
Everything into the Dark (FE7) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQrcsfQgnoo

Fire Emblem Stage 2 (Wyvern Tower Theme)
Clash of Two Virtues (FEDS) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNBOU8sG-VM
Medeus Shadow Dragon (FEDS) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gr4kNhx7Ji8
Shadow Dragon Medley (FE/SSBB) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IYnPP9kEhs
Unshakable Faith (FE7) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUfc4Wel_Dk
Last Stand: Final Battle Theme (FE) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXiomhZVUro

PS Fire Emblem Stage 3 (Castle Siege)
Fire Emblem Theme (FE/SSBB) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWo-azI6eL0
Fire Emblem (Melee) (FE/SSBM) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BsPSOQA6tY
Against the Back Knight (PoR) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlXEWo-Bu8M
Oliver’s Fall (RD) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObBwgjg3kEU

The Wyvern Tower thing was based off a stage in Shadow Dragon. Overall, I'm really not done Fire Emblem, and do want to add a few more songs to the second stage there....and I guess a few more for Castle Siege. I think there's a few past songs that I don't have in there too. And as I said before, any suggestions would be welcome.

Paper Mario Master · Oct 10, 2009

I also want an Ocarina Songs type song that blends them together....

And imo Zelgius the Brave would be a medley of songs that are like it.....like The Strong, The Black Knight Lives and stuff like that, they could fit together

and there could be a Laguz Royals Medley that combines all the Laguz Royal Battle Themes.

And The Dawn Brigade could have themes in there like the one title such and Stalwarts Unite

Pieman0920 · Oct 10, 2009

Well not everything needs to be medleys you know. Some songs do stand out on their own.

Buuut, its actually a bit difficult to convey things as medleys in that form,.

Also, while I do have Oliver's Fall on there already (which is essentially a redone version of Power Hungry Fool) I can't help but also want to put in Beauty is a Mad Mistress, since that's also creepily awesome.

Paper Mario Master · Oct 10, 2009

I know but I love all those songs and they can stand alone they can't litter up the song list.

More than half of the songs in Brawl aren't the "Original" so something else could got throw in that song, I think

Pieman0920 · Oct 10, 2009

Most songs that are no original tended to be older songs that were remixed. In addition, basically any song that originated from a portable system got remixed. Most songs from the GCN era though got ported straight through. So, while I think its safe to assume that songs that came about in FE1-8 and possibly FE11 may get remixed, and thus get medleys, I think FE9 and FE10 will just be straight rips, since....well they are already orchestrated and everything. There's little need to update the song unless its just that iconic that it gets remixed, in which case something else probably won't be thrown into it.

Paper Mario Master · Oct 10, 2009

Yeah I guess you're right but I really want a bunch of FE songs (9-10) but the FE song list would go on forever that way.......plus some of em just kinda flow together y'know?

Everything Hereafter could work I guess, it's a much nicer version of Eternal Bond/Ike's Theme

ShinoandtheBallonFighter · Oct 10, 2009

Oh wow, my bad Pieman, Smashchu said they were third and I misread it as you both times.

And For Fe music I just want to hear Power hungary fall and Oliver's fall. They were my favorite. Maybe the original galdr of awakening (or whichever was sung during th e PoR credits)

Pieman0920 · Oct 11, 2009

Tis okay. And if you do like Power Hungry Fool/Oliver's Fall, then you'd probably like Beauty is a Mad Mistress as well.

Anyways, I guess I'll just post one more of these things, though I've technically posted earlier forms of it in before.

Mario Stage 1 (Galaxy Theme)
Melty Molten Galaxy (SMG) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vE0DSlPF6Pc&feature=rec-HM-fresh+div
Wind Garden (SMG) – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-z2kxFCQ_mQ&feature=related
Floater Land (SMG) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsAFpdAgh6A&feature=related
Good Egg Galaxy (SMG) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzYBrUl926c&feature=related
Rainbow Ride (SSBM/SM64) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XzmMYoKZp8&feature=related
Rainbow Road (MKDD) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6UB9rGuD-o&feature=related
Star Maze (ML2) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_x5azjuDYPU
Comet Observatory (SMG) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiIDTXoF0L4&

Mario Stage 2 (Bowser Castle Theme)
Nemesis King Koopa Vocals (SMG) – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IObwdOCAfdU&feature=related
Final Bowser Battle (SMG) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIuvjG3Egjo
Bowser’s Star Reactor (SMG/SM64) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_gS2jO2PjM
Angry Bowser (PM) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFbdwxLDzMA
Bowser Fight (SM64) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kye9HKC4Uo
Bowser Castle Remix (DDR MM)- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7J24vpqlIgA&feature=related
Bowser Fight (SPM) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQLrHp74YYc
Boswer’s Castle 3 (MKW/SS) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0c0VJAw_yfM&

Mario Stage 3 (SMB3 Theme)
Where’s the Exit? (DDR MM)- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iffgm3vTgU0&feature=related
Jump! Jump! Jump! (DDR MM)- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EP8ckykmx1E&feature=related
Hammer Bros Theme (SMB3) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYDo0k-lu0E
Boss Fight (SMB3) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_BfB4NpKpg
Underwater Theme (SSBB/SMB) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hbbj5B4a4X0
Ground Theme (SSBB/SMB) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vmK6q_gopo
Super Mario Bros 3 (SSBM/SMB3)- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD5xRJdNQGI

Mario Stage 4 (Paper Mario Theme)
Bowser’s Theme (PM 2) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_xMF3nbqDs
The Ultimate Show (SPM) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYu1CVSoRpI
Master Battle (PM) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOmjYCnx-ds
Normal Battle (PM) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fh5Lh2gTwpg
Final Boss Theme (ML3) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mawWW4MN9UI&feature=related
Normal Battle (PM2) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFCrdsu1KPU
X-Naut Moon Base (PM2) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pF2JXipEkJg&

PS: Mario Stage 5 (Peach’s Castle)
Princess Peach’s Castle (SSB)- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxpeN43A6YU
Princess Peach’s Castle (SSBM)- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=om4qYTBZIjc
Inside The Castle Walls (ML2)- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRH7PLWDWuQ
Super Princess Peach Title (SPP) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFJgZIK9WTo&feature=related
Luigi’s Circuit (MK/SSBB) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_z2vFP3Ib3g&

PS: Mario Stage 6 (Kingdom 1)
Mushroom Kingdom I (SMB) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FV23POlUPI0&feature=channel_page
Mushroom Kingdom II (SSBM)-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11eDZDbsujw&feature=channel_page
Mario Bros (SSBB/MB)- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDgyZ10OrLo&feature=related

PS: Mario Stage 7 (Delfino Plaza)
Delfino Plaza (SMS) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIjW17IPRdg
Rico Harbor (SMS) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcfHM7JiyRE&feature=related
Main Theme (SM64) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ulMNR79P04
Main Theme (NSMB) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D63SSQbSpr0
Boss Battle (SMS) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YE6Q4XwMxtc
Mario Circuit (MK/SSBB) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJMciq2-zak&

PS: Mario Stage 8 (Luigi’s Mansion)
Mr. L Theme (SPM) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAJjhLo1cIs
Luigi’s Mansion Theme (LM/SSBB) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dm2YfKjU9yI
Castle/ Boss Fortress (SMW/SMB3) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGbBO9RrJRk
Airship Fortress (SMB3/SSBB) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uluRpTIK-lE&feature=related
Ghostly Galaxy (SMG) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wz1O-npn3s

I know, I know, that's a lot of past stages, but so what? The Mario series has a lot of past stages to work with, and I thought it would be good to have a stage from each game for it.....and I couldn't really let Delfino get in without Luigi's Mansion, could I?

To note though, I technically have included a few other songs that aren't listed there on other stages, such as Waluigi Pinball and Title/Ending for SMW.

Thirdkoopa · Oct 11, 2009

With all this music discussion, I present...A stage roster: (With all new stages; Of course I know they'll throw in some brawl stages instead of some on here)
Mario: Galaxy (Super Mario Galaxy), The Thousand Year Door (Paper Mario), Bowser's Castle (Styled like MK64), SMB Underwater (Original Super Mario Bros)
LoZ: Spirit Tracks Course (Oh gee, guess), New Wii Zelda place
Pokemon: Elite Four Building, New place
Kirby: Canvas Curse, Gamble Galaxy
Metroid: Another Lava Stage! But srs: An older stage and one from the more recent stuff (Hunters or prime) Would do nicely.
Mother: Winters (Mother 2), Thunder Tower (Mother 3)
DK: 2 Stages; One from DK 64 Another from newer stuff? Never saw much that'd stand out...
F-Zero: Red Canyon And...Uh...I'm starting to lose ideas fast :laugh:

Yoshi: Jungle Hunt (Yoshi's Story), Route (Yoshi's Touch N Go)
Starfox: Wolf's Base (Assult), Some adventures/newest stage (Adventures/newest game? Or just another ship, considering that's ALL They've ever used for Starfox! Yay ships!)
Fire Emblem: I remember one idea I had for here, but chances are they'll just throw in the most recent signifigant place together and Castle Siege and call it a day.
Smash: Final Destination, Battlefield (Metal Mario theme MUST BE ON ONE OF THEM THIS TIME.)
Third-Party: 4 Stages to accompany each of the four party reps (Sonic, Snake, Megaman, some other dude)
Retro: Something for IC's, Flat Zone 3 (More simple; Less havoc. More like the first one, oh and bigger), Kid Icarus Stage, Gyromite, Boxing Ring, Joy Mech Fight Field
New Franchises: AC: Four Houses section, Venus Lighthouse, Pikmin underground area, Wii Channels (or w/e the new system is), Some place from S&P2, Chibi-Robo House

...And that makes 43. To get a bit more extensive to the last few: (Of course, DLC Avalible for most of the rest; and If you have brawl data you can get the melee/brawl ones, or something like that)
Mario: Peach's Castle (Melee)
LoZ: Great Bay (Melee)
Pokemon: Pokefloats (Melee)
Mother: Fourside (Melee)
Kirby: Halberd (Brawl)
Metroid: Frigate Orpheon (Brawl)
F-Zero: Port Town Aero Dive (Brawl)
Yoshi: Yoshi's Story (Melee...Maybe a new Yoshi stage as one from YS Isn't such a good idea :laugh:

)
Starfox: Venom (Melee)
DK: The one from melee that didn't appear in brawl.
FE: Castle Siege (Brawl)
New Franchises: Pictochat, Electroplankton (Brawl, and Brawl)

56 Altogether. O_o Discuss.

justaway12 · Oct 11, 2009

I really hope the music won't be exclusive to stages =/
I like Electroplankton, but I hate the lack of music =/
Some stages I hate/don't play on enough have a lot of music I like

GamenerdAdvance · Oct 11, 2009

Is this music rosters I'm seeing? Well, since everyones doing it, I might as well throw in my enormous music wishlist from before, with added bells and whistles:

Mario Land - Birabuto Overworld
Mario Land - Muda Overworld
Mario Land 2 - Star Maze
Mario Land 2 - Overworld theme 1
Mario Galaxy - Gusty Garden
Mario Galaxy - Drip Drop Galaxy
Mario Galaxy - Battlerock Galaxy
Super Paper Mario - Tilt Island
Mario 3 - Hammer Bros.
Mario 3 - Water Land map music
Mario 64 - Dire Docks
Super Paper Mario - The Ultimate Show
Super Paper Mario - Promise
Paper Mario - Credits
Mario World - Map theme
Yoshi's Island - Overworld theme 4
Yoshi's Island - Castle Theme
Yoshi Touch 'n' Go - Challenge Mode
Yoshi NES - Star Music
Yoshi NES - Mushroom Music
Yoshi NES - Title Music
Tetris - Type C
Ocarina Of Time - Lost Woods
Link To The Past - Sanctuary Dungeon
Links Awakening - Ballad Of The Wind Fish
Zelda Minish Cap - Minish Village
Zelda Minish Cap - Cloud Tops
Phantom Hourglass - Final boss
Zelda Spirit Tracks - Main theme
Zelda II - Battle
Zelda II - Overworld
Zelda II - Town
Pokemon Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald - Slateport City
Pokemon Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald - Flood
Pokemon Gold/Silver/Crystal - Violet City
Pokemon Gold/Silver/Crystal - Azalea Town
Pokemon Gold/Silver/Crystal - Goldenrod City
Pokemon Gold/Silver/Crystal - Johto Routes 36/32/34/35/37/40/45
Pokemon Gold/Silver/Crystal - National Park
Pokemon Diamond/Pearl/Platinum - Jubilife City
Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow - Final Rival Battle
Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow - S.S. Anne
Pokemon Anime - Mezase Pokemon Master
Pokemon Anime - Gotta catch 'em All
F-Zero Maximum Velocity - Bianca City
F-Zero Maximum Velocity - Cloud Carpet
F-Zero Maximum Velocity - Title
F-Zero SNES - Silence
F-Zero SNES - Death Wind
F-Zero Climax - Lightning
F-Zero Climax - Illusion
Earthbound - Because I love you
Earthbound - Smiles And Tears
Earthbound - Twoson
Earthbound - Giygas theme
Earthbound - New Age Retro Hippies
Metroid Prime 3 - Rundas Battle
Metroid Prime 3 - Gandrayda Battle
Metroid Prime 3 - Skytown
Knuckles Chaotix - This Horizon
Knuckles Chaotix - Isolated Island
Knuckles Chaotix - Speed Of Sound
Sonic 3 - Ice Cap Zone
Sonic 3 - Lava Reef
Sonic 2 - Unknown Track 10/ Hidden Palace
Sonic 2 - Metropolis Zone
Sonic R - Living In The City
Sonic 06 - Dreams Of An Absolution
Photo Channel - Beautiful
Sonic 3 - Hydrocity
Sonic 3 - Endless Mine Zone
Sonic 2 - Chemical Plant Zone
Sonic Jam - Overworld
Sonic Jam - Inside A Building
Sonic 2 - Sweet Dreams
Wave Race 64 - Main Theme
Wave Race 64 - Milky Lake
Wave Race 64 - Castle City
Balloon Kid - Level 1 music
Balloon Kid - Title
Golden Sun - Main Theme
Golden Sun - Sol Sanctum
Golden Sun - The Golden Sun Rides
Golden Sun - Saturos Battle
Wario Land 4 - Monsoon Jungle
Wario Land 4 - Palm Tree Paradise
Warioware - Tomorrow Hill
Warioware - Yellow Murmur (Kelerometer)
Donkey Kong Country - Aquatic Ambience
Donkey Kong Country - Mine Cart Madness
Donkey Kong Country - Treetop Rock

Paper Mario Master · Oct 11, 2009

I can't think of anything to say......so many songs.......so good.....

Pieman0920 · Oct 11, 2009

Hero Dude · Oct 11, 2009

I can't believe none of you know about this....Bomberman was actually in a crossover with wario a long time ago. Don't believe me? Look at it on wiki. I forgot the name, but it was like wario stumbling onto a portal and upon going through it met bomberman.

Edit: Wario Blast! is the name.

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