[Official SSB4 Discussion] --- Nintendo announces 2 new Smash games!

[Paper Mario Master]

Lets move onto modes.

We have special brawl, but we need more options. One that affects game gravity, wind speed on the stage and other options like that.

Then I can play super floaty mode with Meta-Knight.

as far as options go like I posted a while back there should be a random character switch like there is for stages.

Modes: Add in the Melee Adventure mode and have Story mode which is like the SSE. Kinda like that one Mario Party a while back where you had Story and a game that probably took as long as Melee Adv.

 

[Pieman0920]

I pesonally would like a mode that lets you actually fight with the stickers equipped. It seemed like such a waste that something like that could only be used in SSE. I think that their inclusion in a actual fight could lead to some interesting strategies...though I think it should still be off in a seperate special mode, instead of in the main game.

 

[Paper Mario Master]

I pesonally would like a mode that lets you actually fight with the stickers equipped. It seemed like such a waste that something like that could only be used in SSE. I think that their inclusion in a actual fight could lead to some interesting strategies...though I think it should still be off in a seperate special mode, instead of in the main game.

Agreed. I was thinkin about that and then I was like "No way, that would screw it up soooo bad." but that's^ a good idea.

They should also add a mode where (MAYBE) you could run around instead of side to side. There would only be a few mode only stages for this but it could work.

 

[Arcadenik]

Anyways, the Metroid rep for the sake of a Metroid rep annoys me too,

It annoys me to no end, too. This and adding a second F-Zero rep for the sake of a second F-Zero rep. But that's for another time.

since if its not Ridley, they really shouldn't add in anyone, since no one else really stacks up. (For right now anyways.

I am sorry but this really sounds like "If Ridley cannot be playable, then no other Metroid character will!" which basically is akin to "If I cannot have him/her, then no one else will!"

If he has the right role in Other M, Adam could have pottential) That's what bugs me the most when someone doesn't include Ridley, but instead just puts in Sylux or something, like its supposed to make up for it in some way.

I don't think Zero Suit Samus was added to make up for no playable Ridley. She was added long before Brawl was even announced and most certainly long before there was even a fan demand for Ridley. Ridley and Meta Ridley were likely added as bosses to make up for no playable Ridley. It certainly would explain why Sakurai changed Ridley from an intended Assist Trophy into two bosses. Sakurai knows the Ridley fans want Ridley but he also knows that its very hard to make Ridley a practical and viable Smash fighter due to whatever reasons he might have. Maybe he felt that Ridley is better suited for boss fights than for Smash matches.

 

[ToiseOfChoice]

sales stuff

Pet peeve of mine to see an outdated sales list so here's a more recent one.

Also don't use sales as a reason to "add or remove reps/slots/whatever." It doesn't work like that.

 

[Paper Mario Master]

Anybody have anything to add on the Modes thing or an idea of what topic next?

 

[Evident]

How about all of the characters being balanced?

 

[Paper Mario Master]

How about all of the characters being balanced?

Eh?????? Make...........everyone..............equal....like Ganondorf on steroids to be as fast as Marth? Or did you mean something else?

 

[Mowrt620]

How about all of the characters being balanced?

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Definetly, they should have sttats for each character
(speed, strength, special, Final smash, ect.)
the characters are to unbalanced, and some characters just suck!
They need to make Link better, he deserves it

 

[Mowrt620]

Eh?????? Make...........everyone..............equal....like Ganondorf on steroids to be as fast as Marth? Or did you mean something else?

naw, just make each character have different strategies and weaknesses

EDIT: Srry 4 the double post

 

[Paper Mario Master]

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Definetly, they should have sttats for each character
(speed, strength, special, Final smash, ect.)
the characters are to unbalanced, and some characters just suck!
They need to make Link better, he deserves it

Read my post above, do you want that?

Oh but still....

 

[Mowrt620]

no, read my other post

 

[Llumys]

I don't see why they couldn't put every stage in Smash history in the fourth game.

 

[Mowrt620]

I don't see why they couldn't put every stage in Smash history in the fourth game.

That would be an...ahem.....OVEEEEERRRRLLLOOOOAAADDDD!!!!!!
'Wii breaks'

 

[drag0nscythe]

Pet peeve of mine to see an outdated sales list so here's a more recent one.

Also don't use sales as a reason to "add or remove reps/slots/whatever." It doesn't work like that.

thanks.

By this list
Star fox is over repped
Yoshi and Wario deserve a rep before Metroid.
Donkey Kong is underrepped.
Mother is overrepped.
Fire emblem is overepped.

I don't see why they couldn't put every stage in Smash history in the fourth game.

I would like that, but it is unlikely.
It would be to much.

 

[Paper Mario Master]

That would be an...ahem.....OVEEEEERRRRLLLOOOOAAADDDD!!!!!!
'Wii breaks'

It probably won't be on the Wii but not all the stages just the good ones, i.e. Saffron City.

 

[Mowrt620]

It probably won't be on the Wii but not all the stages just the good ones, i.e. Saffron City.

But not new pork city, lol
Why do you people dislike temple tho? It's better than new pork city

 

[Paper Mario Master]

But not new pork city, lol
Why do you people dislike temple tho? It's better than new pork city

WHAAAAAAAAT????? Temple is the frkin best stage EVER!!!!!!!!!!! I don't care about Tournaments. It's cool, not too small, not too big.

 

[Mowrt620]

WHAAAAAAAAT????? Temple is the frkin best stage EVER!!!!!!!!!!! I don't care about Tournaments. It's cool, not too small, not too big.

Actually, it's quite large, but yes, it rocks
Lots o' people dislike it however, curse theeeemmmm

Pictochat is the best though

 

[Paper Mario Master]

Actually, it's quite large, but yes, it rocks
Lots o' people dislike it however, curse theeeemmmm

I know it's pretty big but I like large stages, I never make a small or medium stage on stage builder (even if the stage itself is small).

 

[n88]

thanks.

By this list
Star fox is over repped
I agree, but I don't think any characterss should be removed.
Yoshi and Wario deserve a rep before Metroid.
Yoshi is barely separate before Mario, and you have to consider who the character you're adding is. Adding Kamek or Baby Mario before Ridley would be strange.
Donkey Kong is underrepped.
AGREE.
Mother is overrepped.
Mother is fine as is.
Fire emblem is overepped.
FE is fine as is. I know a new FE character is requested or expected by almost everybody.

Comments in red.

As for new/returning stages: I hope for thhe rotating Metroid stage w/Kraid (I forget the name) to make a comeback.

 

[Mowrt620]

http://www.youtube.com/user/reynolds12307

Out of randomness, heres some youtube videos that do possible ssb4 characters.
You can send in suggestions and movesets, I sent in pac man, btw

He's done about 45 or so, check em out

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

Who wants to see Glass Joe playable?

 

[Mowrt620]

Who wants to see Glass Joe playable?

Meh, I don't think so

 

[ToiseOfChoice]

It annoys me to no end, too. This and adding a second F-Zero rep for the sake of a second F-Zero rep. But that's for another time.

[pieman's post]

I am sorry but this really sounds like "If Ridley cannot be playable, then no other Metroid character will!" which basically is akin to "If I cannot have him/her, then no one else will!"

This isn't quite directed at you Arcadenik but it does make me want to address something.


Do you people see things in terms of reps or in terms of characters? This goes for pretty much all of you who use the term "rep" or "slot" or "deservingness" or whatever.

Reps fill the roster to "add" more content from a series (regardless of what it is). It's basically filler to meet some sort of quota or limitation that no one has been able to justify.

Characters are more specific. People know exactly what they want and they'd much rather get the individual than something that associates with them. If I ask for Samurai Goroh, I want Samurai Goroh! There's only one of him. If I got Bio Rex and people thought "there's your F-Zero rep" I'd go ballistic. If I got Takamaru and people went "there's your token samurai" I'd be even more pissed off.

Imagine it like this:
Arnold: "Give me one of those hamburgers."
Frank: "Here's a hot dog."
Arnold: "What the hell? I asked for a hamburger."
Frank: "I know, but a hot dog is still meat on a bun, right? Same thing."
Arnold: "It's a different kind of meat, completely different shape, and it's not what I asked for."
Frank: "So how about a taco then?"
Arnold: "Look, just give me the ****ing hamburger already."
Frank: "What's with you and hamburgers? Just eat it."
Arnold: "Why are you making this difficult?"
Frank: "I really don't see what the big deal is. Either way you're gonna be full, right?"
Arnold: "I'm trying to be full AND enjoy it going down."
Frank: *some bad metaphor about not always getting what you want that I don't feel like writing*

...and so on. You don't give someone something they didn't ask for. No one's asking for "more F-Zero characters" unless they don't know anything about F-Zero's cast. People add "more Metroid characters" when they're unaware that Ridley is the only choice. These people don't care about these series, they just want to fill up the roster.

Those rosters always end up like the most disappointing Christmas ever.

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

Meh, I don't think so

Glass Joe could be top-tier, and at least he's a better candidate than two new Sonic reps.

 

[BBQTV]

youtube poop where theirs smoke [anyone who loves poop will finish this sentence]

Please at least pretend to be on topic.

[LOL] i think im going to make a habit of asking what i missed

 

[Paper Mario Master]

http://www.youtube.com/user/reynolds12307

Out of randomness, heres some youtube videos that do possible ssb4 characters.
You can send in suggestions and movesets, I sent in pac man, btw

He's done about 45 or so, check em out

Ya I like his videos, and I didn't know he was gonna do a Pac-Man. Don't go into further discussion on this.

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

Who wants to see the Elite Beat Agents playable?

 

[Paper Mario Master]

Who wants to see the Elite Beat Agents playable?

Ermmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm......no. Do you want?

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

Ermmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm......no. Do you want?

Thought they would be a good idea...

Okay, how about Ashley (from Wario Ware)?

 

[BBQTV]

yes of course

 

[Paper Mario Master]

Thought they would be a good idea...

Okay, how about Ashley (from Wario Ware)?

We not have big talk about this already?

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

I think we're running out of topics at this moment...

 

[BBQTV]

yeah but things keep repeating so why not

 

[Paper Mario Master]

I think we're running out of topics at this moment...

Nah, how 'bout Stage Builder? or.....Bosses?

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

Nah, how 'bout Stage builder? or.....Bosses?

For bosses, how about Sephiroth as a guest boss?

 

[BBQTV]

oh black knight as a boss or mona and things start all over again well maybe king k rule andross as a boss master hand and crazy hand have to be an event again

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

Who would you guys consider your most-wanted newcomer PC? I would choose either Micaiah or Lyndis.

 

[Paper Mario Master]

Um, let's see, I want one for most of the 'em.
Mario:...Petey Piranha again i guess
LOZ: Molgera? and Zant or an OoT MM or TP boss
Mother/EB: That big scary lookin guy...Giygas?
Kirby: Dark Matter, Marx, or Dyna Blade
Yoshi: Raphael Raven maybe not
Metroid: Mother Brain
DK: ??? maybe no boss
Star Fox: Andross can't believe I forgot
and some others can't think of...

and nice pick for MW mine would probably be Paper Mario