[Official SSB4 Discussion] --- Nintendo announces 2 new Smash games!

[KnuxMaster]

I mostly want another Sonic charachter so he can have a partner like Mario has Luigi so Tails, Knuckles, Shadow doesn't matter to me just put 1 in for me hopefully Knux

 

[xnamkcor]

Zero or ZX: Good melee and ranged abilties. Unlike Megaman, who just has ranged attacks unless you make stuff up or emulate MVC. Plenty of opportunity for Costumes.

Richter or Similar: Decent Ground and Air combat. Easily modded for SSB.

Dekar: Admittedly little to go on and probably resulting in an IKE/Link Clone.

Dante/Virgil: Similar to ZX/Zero, but bigger relevant existing moveset. Big Final Smash Opportunity on DT.

Vile: Like Snake.

Knight Blazer: Similar folly as Dekar, but bigger moveset.


In reflection of the list. I'd Say Richter/Similar would be the best chance since we already have lots of Sword characters. If we got rid of some FE characters to make room for ZX, he would be my favourite choice for Sword Characters for his versatility and existing moveset.

 

[Wizzerd]

Erm, Knux, Sonic series is fine as it is. We don't need Knuckles or Tails or anything because Sonic is a guest. Third parties are fine and good, but they need to be limited. Instead of going to the trouble to get another Sonic rep, it's best to put in another rep for another third party series, like Simon Belmont or Megaman.

And as for Toad, he could have worked in 64 or maybe even Melee, but "The Toad", the Toad named Toad, hasn't appeared since Super Mario RPG. Now he's in spinoff games, but spinoffs don't deserve reps

Spoiler

that means no Waluigi.

Toads *have* appeared in Super Mario 64, Sunshine and Galaxy, but the crux is that they appeared generically, as a species. It would be like putting in a Goomba. So what's wrong with putting in generic characters? Because it's a waste of a roster spot. If you need to think of a generic species to make playable, then you're over-representing.

Anyway, I'm going to post my roster. Thoughts, reviews and feedback would be appreciated.

WIZZERD'S SSB4 ROSTER​

MARIO SERIES
Mario
Luigi
Princess Peach
Bowser
Bowser Jr.

DONKEY KONG SERIES
Donkey Kong
Diddy Kong
King K. Rool

YOSHI SERIES
Yoshi

WARIO SERIES
Wario

PAPER MARIO SERIES
Paper Mario

LEGEND OF ZELDA SERIES
Link
Zelda/Sheik
Toon Link
Ganondorf

METROID SERIES
Samus/Zero Suit Samus
Ridley

KIRBY SERIES
Kirby
King Dedede
Meta Knight

STAR FOX SERIES
Fox
Falco
Wolf

F-ZERO SERIES
Captain Falcon
Black Shadow

POKEMON SERIES
Pikachu
Jigglypuff
Pokemon Trainer (Squirtle/Ivysaur/Charizard)
Mewtwo
New Generation Pokemon (failing that, Lucario)

FIRE EMBLEM SERIES
Ike
Marth
New Lord (failing that, Roy)

MOTHER SERIES
Ness
Lucas

PIKMIN SERIES
Olimar

ANIMAL CROSSING SERIES
Animal Crosser

PUNCH-OUT SERIES
Little Mac

CUSTOM ROBO SERIES
Ray MK II

LEGEND OF STAFY SERIES
Stafy

ADVANCE WARS SERIES
Andy

GOLDEN SUN SERIES
Isaac

ICE CLIMBER
Ice Climbers

KID ICARUS SERIES
Pit

GAME AND WATCH SERIES
Mr. Game and Watch

ROB SERIES
ROB

PANEL DE PON SERIES
Lip

THIRD PARTY CHARACTERS
Megaman
Simon Belmont

*pulls out calculator* That's... 49 characters and 53 movesets. Plus Random, it could be made into a five-by-ten box. So, any thoughts?

 

[xnamkcor]

There could be a standard grid, but when a character is highlited, C-stick can be use to expand a list of Alternates. With different sorting methods too. Weight, Speed, Series, Weapon Type.

 

[toon_marth]

Erm, Knux, Sonic series is fine as it is. We don't need Knuckles or Tails or anything because Sonic is a guest. Third parties are fine and good, but they need to be limited. Instead of going to the trouble to get another Sonic rep, it's best to put in another rep for another third party series, like Simon Belmont or Megaman.

And as for Toad, he could have worked in 64 or maybe even Melee, but "The Toad", the Toad named Toad, hasn't appeared since Super Mario RPG. Now he's in spinoff games, but spinoffs don't deserve reps

Spoiler

that means no Waluigi.

Toads *have* appeared in Super Mario 64, Sunshine and Galaxy, but the crux is that they appeared generically, as a species. It would be like putting in a Goomba. So what's wrong with putting in generic characters? Because it's a waste of a roster spot. If you need to think of a generic species to make playable, then you're over-representing.

Anyway, I'm going to post my roster. Thoughts, reviews and feedback would be appreciated.

WIZZERD'S SSB4 ROSTER​

MARIO SERIES
Mario
Luigi
Princess Peach
Bowser
Bowser Jr.

DONKEY KONG SERIES
Donkey Kong
Diddy Kong
King K. Rool

YOSHI SERIES
Yoshi

WARIO SERIES
Wario

PAPER MARIO SERIES
Paper Mario

LEGEND OF ZELDA SERIES
Link
Zelda/Sheik
Toon Link
Ganondorf

METROID SERIES
Samus/Zero Suit Samus
Ridley

KIRBY SERIES
Kirby
King Dedede
Meta Knight

STAR FOX SERIES
Fox
Falco
Wolf

F-ZERO SERIES
Captain Falcon
Black Shadow

POKEMON SERIES
Pikachu
Jigglypuff
Pokemon Trainer (Squirtle/Ivysaur/Charizard)
Mewtwo
New Generation Pokemon (failing that, Lucario)

FIRE EMBLEM SERIES
Ike
Marth
New Lord (failing that, Roy)

MOTHER SERIES
Ness
Lucas

PIKMIN SERIES
Olimar

ANIMAL CROSSING SERIES
Animal Crosser

PUNCH-OUT SERIES
Little Mac

CUSTOM ROBO SERIES
Ray MK II

LEGEND OF STAFY SERIES
Stafy

ADVANCE WARS SERIES
Andy

GOLDEN SUN SERIES
Isaac

ICE CLIMBER
Ice Climbers

KID ICARUS SERIES
Pit

GAME AND WATCH SERIES
Mr. Game and Watch

ROB SERIES
ROB

PANEL DE PON SERIES
Lip

THIRD PARTY CHARACTERS
Megaman
Simon Belmont

*pulls out calculator* That's... 49 characters and 53 movesets. Plus Random, it could be made into a five-by-ten box. So, any thoughts?

Sounds like a good roster. Though, to tell the truth, If I was in charge of the next SSB installment, I would make it where there are three sections of characters.

Toon Marth's SSB4 Rostah!

Generation 1: Super Smash Bros. 64

Mario
Link
Pikachu
Kirby
Yoshi
Captian Falcon
Ness
Luigi
Jigglypuff
Donkey Kong
Samus
Fox


Generation 2: Super Smash Bros. Melee

Mario
Luigi
Doctor Mario
Link
Young Link
Mewtwo
Marth
Roy
Ganondorf
Zelda
Bowser
Yoshi
Kirby
Mr. Game and Watch
Jigglypuff
Captain Falcon
Peach
Ice Climbers
Falco
Samus
Pichu
Pikachu
Shiek
Fox

Generation 3: Super Smash Bros. Brawl

Mario
Luigi
Meta Knight
Snake
Link
Toon Link
Ganondorf
Kirby
Jigglypuff
Lucas
King DeDeDe
Mr. Game and Watch
Marth
Ike
Zero Suit Samus
Zelda
Shiek
Peach
Diddy Kong
Wario
ROB
Lucario
Olimar
Pikachu
Pokemon Trainer
Pit
Wolf
Fox
Falco
Sonic
Captain Falcon
Yoshi
Ice Climbers
Bowser


Generation 4: Newcomers

Megaman
Sora (Kingdom Hearts)
Hector (Fire Emblem 7)
Zero (Megaman X)
Mega Man X
Isaac (Golden Sun)
Lip (Panel De Pon)
Lynn (Fire Emblem 7)
Knuckles (Sonic The Hedgehog)
Fayt (Star Ocean 3)
Toad (mario)
Waluigi
Crono (Chrono Trigger)
Magus (Chrono Trigger)
_______________________

New Items:
Gameboy Micro (finally getting a much deserved promo. Lol you throw them like shuurikens.)

I cant think of anything else.

I was thinking that there could be everyone from the Super Smash Series. As they were in their respective games. I.E. 64 Bit Mario against a Melee Roy.

 

[Ussi]

no no no NO NO NO NO to Sora!! (Kingdom Hearts)

Megaman <- He deserved it over Sonic IMO
Hector (Fire Emblem 7) <- No, Hector is too old. New lord from FE will get in.
Zero (Megaman X) <- No, only megaman
Mega Man X <- -_-; one megaman
Isaac (Golden Sun) <- YES
Felix (Golden Sun) <- Redundant. Make him an alternate costume to Isaac
Lip (Panel De Pon) <- YES
Lynn (Fire Emblem 7) <- Out of date
Knuckles (Sonic The Hedgehog) <- Meh, I like Knuckles but no.
Fayt (Star Ocean 3) <- No comment
Daisy (Mario Bros. 2) <- No... No...
Waluigi <- Meh, he was an AT, so he might.. very very unlikely.
Crono (Chrono Trigger) <- Epic
Magus (Chrono Trigger) <- can't have too many.


Missing lots of other good candidates.

 

[Vorguen]

Absolutely nobody wants Toad in? That is so sad. >.>

 

[toon_marth]

no no no NO NO NO NO to Sora!! (Kingdom Hearts)

Megaman <- He deserved it over Sonic IMO
Hector (Fire Emblem 7) <- No, Hector is too old. New lord from FE will get in.
Zero (Megaman X) <- No, only megaman
Mega Man X <- -_-; one megaman
Isaac (Golden Sun) <- YES
Felix (Golden Sun) <- Redundant. Make him an alternate costume to Isaac
Lip (Panel De Pon) <- YES
Lynn (Fire Emblem 7) <- Out of date
Knuckles (Sonic The Hedgehog) <- Meh, I like Knuckles but no.
Fayt (Star Ocean 3) <- No comment
Daisy (Mario Bros. 2) <- No... No...
Waluigi <- Meh, he was an AT, so he might.. very very unlikely.
Crono (Chrono Trigger) <- Epic
Magus (Chrono Trigger) <- can't have too many.


Missing lots of other good candidates.

Yeah I was kind of in a rush to finish this. Thanks for the input. I like the Alternate costume to Isaac idea. But Marth was old when Melee came out. I don't see why they wouldn't put Hector and Lynn in. It was the first FE ever released here and they deserve IMO. The daisy Idea was stupid. I forgot she was already an alternate costume for Peach.

I think players would enjoy magus, seeing as how he wields a scythe. It would be a different playing experience. Also, If no MMX, then they really should do Zero. X would be different from Megaman original. His smashes could include the use of the Z saber, from MMX6. They could differ the charge shots, like say X has to stay in one position while charging, whereas Mega can move around while he charges his buster. X's would be stronger, making up for this.

With people from different smash games being on defferent levels, I DO doubt they could maintain the exact gameplay of the originals. But it would be fun to use a Melee Marth against Brawl Marth. It probably wouldn't be that hard to emulate the graphics of the different Generations. I would enjoy to see the boxy, hard graphics of the N64 combat the smoother graphics of the Wii.

 

[Red Arremer]

Daisy (Mario Bros. 2)

Would you mind to tell me where you got this copy of Super Mario Bros. 2 or on what system it is? Because I honestly can't remember Daisy in any of the NES games. As far as I know she was the princess in Super Mario Land (1) for the gameboy and hadn't played any significant role since then except for being in Spin-Offs.

 

[Vorguen]

Toad, toad toad toad. Toad toad, toad. Toad: Toad toad. Toad toad toad; toad toad.

 

[Ussi]

Toad is already in the game. He doesn't need to be a character.

 

[xnamkcor]

no no no NO NO NO NO to Sora!! (Kingdom Hearts)

Zero <- He deserved it over Sonic IMO
Megaman <- No, only Zero
Mega Man X <- -_-; one X series only

Fixed

Also, If no MMX, then they really should do Zero. X would be different from Megaman original. His smashes could include the use of the Z saber, from MMX6. They could differ the charge shots, like say X has to stay in one position while charging, whereas Mega can move around while he charges his buster. X's would be stronger, making up for this.

X never had to stand while charging. Then again, neither did Samus. This would be something to fix. Just having X would be better since Megaman would just be a gimped X.

 

[toon_marth]

Would you mind to tell me where you got this copy of Super Mario Bros. 2 or on what system it is? Because I honestly can't remember Daisy in any of the NES games. As far as I know she was the princess in Super Mario Land (1) for the gameboy and hadn't played any significant role since then except for being in Spin-Offs.

Somebody told me she was from Mario Bros. 2. I knew she was in Mario Land but I couldnt remember if it was 1 or 2. Actually I was led to believe it was the Japanese version of the game. What was the lost levels to us, was the Mario Bros 2 to them.

 

[Vorguen]

Toad is already in the game. He doesn't need to be a character.

You are incorrect. Toad needs to be a character.

 

[Red Arremer]

Somebody told me she was from Mario Bros. 2. I knew she was in Mario Land but I couldnt remember if it was 1 or 2. Actually I was led to believe it was the Japanese version of the game. What was the lost levels to us, was the Mario Bros 2 to them.

Doki Doki Panic? No, that has nothing to do with Daisy. There is no such character in Doki Doki Panic at all.

 

[princesspeachluver13]

You are incorrect. Toad needs to be a character.

If that happened, then Peach's Neutral Special would have to be changed, as well as th rest of her game. That would be pointless. VERY pointless, trust me.

 

[KnuxMaster]

Would you mind to tell me where you got this copy of Super Mario Bros. 2 or on what system it is? Because I honestly can't remember Daisy in any of the NES games. As far as I know she was the princess in Super Mario Land (1) for the gameboy and hadn't played any significant role since then except for being in Spin-Offs.

Was Daisy on Donkey Kong or not? Who was that Princess on Donkey Kong (Arcade)?

 

[KnuxMaster]

If that happened, then Peach's Neutral Special would have to be changed, as well as th rest of her game. That would be pointless. VERY pointless, trust me.

Toad can be in it Peach's Neutral Special is pointless same as Jigglypuff singing (she could be hit with a groundpound or something) Toad does absolutely nothing its just a move because they couldn't think of anything else.

 

[princesspeachluver13]

Toad can be in it Peach's Neutral Special is pointless same as Jigglypuff singing (she could be hit with a groundpound or something) Toad does absolutely nothing its just a move because they couldn't think of anything else.

WRONG!!!! Jigglypuff's singing was a big part of many Pokemon anime episodes. I should know. One episode in particular made Jigglypuff the hero by singing the antagonists to sleep. I forget the name, but it had to do something with ancient Giant Pokemon. A Giant Gengar and a Giant Alakazam were the antagonists I remember.

Was Daisy on Donkey Kong or not? Who was that Princess on Donkey Kong (Arcade)?

That wasn't even a princess. That was Pauline.

Lastly, I know you're new here and all, so I won't go off on you, but it is generally frowned upon to double post. You see that "Multiquote" button? That's for quoting multiple posts. Use it. That's how I made this post.

 

[Vorguen]

1- They can keep Peach's neutral special

2- They can change Peach's neutral special to something other than Toad, with the same properties.

 

[princesspeachluver13]

1- They can keep Peach's neutral special

How, may I ask? Her move is walking around, a regular character. She has no Neutral B now.

2- They can change Peach's neutral special to something other than Toad, with the same properties.

What could they possibly use instead of Toad? How could Toad be a character anyway? I suggest making a Toad moveset and posting it in MYM5. Later, though!

 

[Lord Viper]

☆ But the Toad that Peach use is suppose to be a fake Toad and not a real one. D= ☆

 

[princesspeachluver13]

☆ But the Toad that Peach use is suppose to be a fake Toad and not a real one. D= ☆

Bad news. It's not a fake Taod. Notice how it moves when it's taken out and used.

 

[Vorguen]

Many people have already made "Toad movesets" and it won't be hard to replace Toad. There are many things in Mushroom Kingdom willing to be meat shields for Peach.

 

[Wizzerd]

Okay. So it seems that everybody wants Toad in. TOAD DOES NOT DESERVE A SPOT. I'll explain why.

Toad is generic. He's been generic since Super Mario RPG. Let's take a look at all of "The Toad"'s roles:
Super Mario Bros 2 (1988)
Super Mario Bros 3 (1990)
Wario's Woods (1993)
Super Mario RPG (1996
...And that's it. Spinoff games don't count.

But what's wrong with spinoff games? Nothing at all. But in the Mario spinoffs, Toad is one of many characters to choose from. And in spinoffs, the characters are nothing more than vehicles for statistics and sound effects. In spinoffs, the characters aren't given personalities and attributes beyond "LOL I CHOP MY **** WHEN I WIN." You don't feel for them. Should Waluigi be playable? No? Why? Because he's in spinoffs.

And so if spinoffs don't count, what about other roles? Well, Toad was playable in Super Mario Bros 2 and Wario's Woods. But those were about twenty years ago. He just was a minor character in Super Mario Bros 3 and Super Mario RPG. Do you really want a character that hasn't appeared for twelve years?

But then, couldn't Toad be a "retro" character, a throwback to old-time Nintendo? No, he can't. Because now there is no Toad. Now there is an entire race of Toads, and there has been since Super Mario 64. If we put in Toad now, we just reference Toad as a species.

But what's wrong with a species being playable? Everything. Do you want a Goron or a Zora? Do you want a Chozo or a Waddle Dee? Of course not. Because species are not playable or important, and if they are, they become unique and a different character then their species, like Goombario or Goombella. Then we should put in Goombario or Goombella instead of the Goomba. You might say that Toad is a very important species, but the same could be said for the Goron, Zora and Chozo. Does anyone support the Goron or Zora or Chozo?

So if we can't count spinoffs or appearences as a species, then what do we have? A washed-up has-been. I wish that Nintendo would put Toad in some more games. He was a pretty cool guy. But I just can't support a character that hasn't been important for so long. If Toad appears in a canonical Mario game, then I would support him fully for SSB4. But he hasn't, and he probably never will unfortunately. I am sort of tempted to support him after all he did for me in Super Mario RPG

Spoiler

it takes ****s to go through all of Bowser's Keep and Smithy's Factory just to sell some Max Mushrooms to Mario and company

but I just can't.

 

[princesspeachluver13]

Many people have already made "Toad movesets" and it won't be hard to replace Toad. There are many things in Mushroom Kingdom willing to be meat shields for Peach.

I told you before, give me an example. I am very anxious to disprove your theory.

 

[Wizzerd]

I told you before, give me an example. I am very anxious to disprove your theory.

Toadsworth. But Toad doesn't need to be in anyway.
Also, if you look closely, you can see that Peach is magically pulling Toad from a sticker on her back.

 

[Big-Cat]

I've been thinking about this for a while. A while back, someone suggested that clones become a type of style for the original character.

For example, Falco would lose his spot on the roster screen, but he exists underneath Fox as a model swap character. Falco would play more like an Aerial-oriented Fox. I think this may satisfy people to an extent psychologically. By this, I mean they aren't considered clones anymore.

Since Rosters are being posted, I'll post mine.

Removed characters:
Falco
Lucario (BIG MAYBE):

Newcomers:
Bowser Jr.
Capt. Syrup
Krystal
Ridley
K. Rool
Samurai Goroh
New Fire Lord or Caeda (Sheeda)
Mewtwo(He might be made an exception due to the massive backlash of his removal)
Lip
Tom Nook (Sakurai referred to the villager so Nook is technically safe. Besides, Sakurai's statement was rather stupid, imo).
Sukapon
Starfy
Saki
Little Mac
Isaac
Megaman (Or whatever Capcom wants)

Alternate Characters:
Daisy - Peach
Rosalina - Peach
Ninten - Ness
Paula - Ness
Funky Kong - Donkey Kong
Claus - Lucas
Naked Snake - Snake (FANSERVICE!)
Airan - Saki (I doubt this would even happen.)
Girl Pokemon Trainer - Pokemon Trainer

Alternate Styles:
Roy - Marth
Falco - Fox
Dr. Mario - Mario
Pichu - Pikachu (Without the masochism)
Kumatora - Lucas (Only because of height difference, otherwise, I'd have her be a costume)
Shadow - Sonic
Black Shadow - Capt. Falcon
Baby Mario Bros. - Ice Climbers (I'm really stretching it here.)
Louie - Olimar

This is mostly a pipe dream, but I'd like to see what you guys think.

 

[Vorguen]

She can pull out Bowser Jr.

Now he can be a move and Toad a character.

 

[Lord Viper]

Bad news. It's not a fake Toad. Notice how it moves when it's taken out and used.

☆ Wow, even the Dojo said it was real, I still have no idea why it can spread spores, lol. I guess when/if another Super Princess Peach come's out, she could use her vibes as her new Basic Special or Final Smash. ☆

 

[justaway12]

I told you before, give me an example. I am very anxious to disprove your theory.

Why not toadette?Maybe Peach could mix it up with a lot of different people (goombas, koopas, Shy guys etc.) I doubt it but it would be fun

@Vorguen: HOLD YOUR TOUNGUE !!!​

 

[Wizzerd]

I've been thinking about this for a while. A while back, someone suggested that clones become a type of style for the original character.

For example, Falco would lose his spot on the roster screen, but he exists underneath Fox as a model swap character. Falco would play more like an Aerial-oriented Fox. I think this may satisfy people to an extent psychologically. By this, I mean they aren't considered clones anymore.

Since Rosters are being posted, I'll post mine.

Removed characters:
Falco
Lucario (BIG MAYBE):

Newcomers:
Bowser Jr.
Capt. Syrup
Krystal
Ridley
K. Rool
Samurai Goroh
New Fire Lord or Caeda (Sheeda)
Mewtwo(He might be made an exception due to the massive backlash of his removal)
Lip
Tom Nook (Sakurai referred to the villager so Nook is technically safe. Besides, Sakurai's statement was rather stupid, imo).
Sukapon
Starfy
Saki
Little Mac
Isaac
Megaman (Or whatever Capcom wants)

Alternate Characters:
Daisy - Peach
Rosalina - Peach
Ninten - Ness
Paula - Ness
Funky Kong - Donkey Kong
Claus - Lucas
Naked Snake - Snake (FANSERVICE!)
Airan - Saki (I doubt this would even happen.)
Girl Pokemon Trainer - Pokemon Trainer

Alternate Styles:
Roy - Marth
Falco - Fox
Dr. Mario - Mario
Pichu - Pikachu (Without the masochism)
Kumatora - Lucas (Only because of height difference, otherwise, I'd have her be a costume)
Shadow - Sonic
Black Shadow - Capt. Falcon
Baby Mario Bros. - Ice Climbers (I'm really stretching it here.)
Louie - Olimar

This is mostly a pipe dream, but I'd like to see what you guys think.

My main objections are to Krystal and Captain Syrup

Spoiler

and the lack of Paper Mario

, who don't deserve to be in, particularly Krystal. And why take out Falco? Yes, he's underneath Fox, but it would seem to a lot of people like Falco was cut. Also, where is Paper Mario? How did Krystal get in over him? Also, Fire Emblem should get Roy or a new lord, not Sheeda. Looks good otherwise.

 

[Big-Cat]

I chose Krystal for a few reasons:

1. I like her as a character even if she's a Mary Sue, and no, I'm not a furry.
2. She would give an unprecedented moveset to the Smash series.
3. She does have popularity that is not limited to furries.

Also, I would have cut Wolf, but considering he's the least similar to Fox, I doubt it would happen.

As for Captain Syrup, I think Wario should have another rep. Capt. Syrup would represent the old Wario era while Wario would represent the modern era. Besides, she was Nintendo's first recurring villainess (Mother Brain does not count). Also, we already have a ninja in the game, why not a pirate too?

To be honest, I forgot Paper Mario. I'm fine with his inclusion, but I wouldn't be sad if he didn't make it. I suppose he could be the next WTF character.

 

[princesspeachluver13]

Toadsworth. But Toad doesn't need to be in anyway.
Also, if you look closely, you can see that Peach is magically pulling Toad from a sticker on her back.

WTF?! A STICKER?! Show me your pr-*shot* But really, show me some proof.

 

[SmashChu]

1. I like her as a character even if she's a Mary Sue, and no, I'm not a furry.

More interesting then anything else: Krystal really isn't a strong Mary Sue. She's more of a soft one. She is unique, comes from a catastrophe, a love interest, is beautiful (to some, at least and has unique powers. She's soft because she does not fit a lot of the traits (i.e. clone, troubled past) or the traits she does have are weak (she has telepathic powers, but she can't use them to fight).

I'd like to see her in Smash.

 

[xnamkcor]

After some thought I've decided to pick a Nintendo character. Not that I prefer it over Zero, ZX, Dante, or Richter, but just because of the challenge.

Dixie Kong, Chibi Robo, People from Sin and Punishment(Actually Treasure...****<<<Forum censored the D word? Looks like I said the F word. Wow, just wow), Master Hand, Zora, Goron, Fierce Deity Link.

Goron/Zora Links would be a bit unique. FD Link would be an OK alternate Link that has been standard since Melee.

I want Sheik, but he turned out subpar. Maybe a remake of his moveset for 4.

 

[Wizzerd]

WTF?! A STICKER?! Show me your pr-*shot* But really, show me some proof.

I don't have any proof, unfortunately. Just pause in training mode and rotate the camera when she pulls Toad out.

Also, MYM5 is up.

 

[Mythic02]

Sakurai won't take out falco. Why? Falco has already gotten into two smash games. The most that would happen is probably they'll tweak Falco's moveset a little more. Second of all, Sakurai puts in the sidekick before others. Mario got luigi in the first game. Fox got falco. D.K. got diddy kong. Third, Falco plays a more important role in the star fox games.

Also, Vorguen, I want toad also, right after bowser jr. Bowser jr. is a bit more current though.

Also,Sakurai has said nothing about generic characters not being playable. The only current reason for character''s in game is that they are important. Toad has been a major part of Mario games for a long time. NOthing has been said about no spinoff game characters. Toad has a lot of moveset potential, even though it doesn't matter. Ness and lucas don't use their actual moves. I haven't seen Captain falcon use any of his moves other than falcon punch.

 

[|RK|]

While it's highly unlikely that Mewtwo will get in over Lucario, it is possible. And anyway, yes, one of those two are getting into SSB4, while the 5th gen rep gets added as an additional slot.

But that's not the issue here. You think Roy is likely. At all. Much less over Mewtwo.

Mewtwo is the only one of the cut characters with a fraction of a chance as returning, and the chances of the other characters are into the negatives, if anything.

Whether or not Mewtwo badly deserved to return over many characters, he didn't make it (For completely unacceptable reasons), which is what hurt his chances so.

If they decide to remake Fire Emblem 6, yes. As for Mewtwo and Lucario, I doubt they're gonna keep replacing around. Besides, Mewtwo and Lucario starred in movies. There were no other Pokemon popular enough they COULD put in from any other generation. Lucario and Mewtwo will probably both return, or neither will.

 

[Big-Cat]

More interesting then anything else: Krystal really isn't a strong Mary Sue. She's more of a soft one. She is unique, comes from a catastrophe, a love interest, is beautiful (to some, at least and has unique powers. She's soft because she does not fit a lot of the traits (i.e. clone, troubled past) or the traits she does have are weak (she has telepathic powers, but she can't use them to fight).

I'd like to see her in Smash.

I thought you were one of the ones who was against her.