justaway12
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wouldn't kamek be in the marioverse?...sorry not important just thought add my opinion
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how confusing would that be, mario was the reason yoshi is here but if it wasn't for yoshi mario would die and if mario dies yoshi woulsn't exist anymore because super mario bros. 3 wouldn't happen and baby mario games wouldn't happen and mario would survive...think about itKamek, well Kamek was an antagonist in the Baby mario + Yoshi games I believe...and the BM+Y games count as Yoshi.
He said that Metroid having some things that aren't really accurate is proof that Sakurai doesn't pay attention to the series. I showed him other things that aren't accurate to their series, and Porky is a pretty big example of that.<_< Porky? If that isn't an example you totally lost me.
Edit it how, exactly?So edit the body. I don't ENTIRELY care if they have to clip his wings to make him fit in. I say it'd be worth it.
So? Unlike K. Rool, Dixie has precedent.Ness was schedueled to be removed in MELEE I think it was. K. Rool is a main antagonist and we need more of them.
Assuming that they ever will.They haven't resized Ridley and put him in the game yet, so we don't know, will we? ^^
Because size is only part of the reason. The rest of the reason is that he has a funky body type. If Ridley had a more humanoid build, I wouldn't be making this argument.I don't understand how Ridley can be considered so much more complicated than two characters who have DEFFINATLY outsized him.
I don't hate it at all. I don't even hate the idea of Ridley being playable, I just doubt he will be (and I do at least have stuff backing up my argument). I'm totally open to variety - I just doubt Ridley will be the one to bring more of it here.A new frame, with four legs and a bit longer than normal is variety, and you hate it. So generally speaking, you do hate variety. Probably not ALL of it, but you do hate SOME of it.
I said "needs to be added". Adding Kamek would basically be adding a character for the sake of adding a Yoshi character, which is about the worst possible reason to make a character. Besides, he's just a generic Magikoopa.Kamek.
Not really. Bowser is pretty much always only a few times bigger than Mario. I guess that could be considered giant, but it's not comparable to his ridiculous size in Sunshine. However, since that ridiculous size almost never appears, you can't say "Bowser is the absolute biggest character in Brawl" because that's just an anomaly - his size is normally pretty consistent.Giant is pretty big if you ask me.
By "length" I mean how long the character is from left to right when looking at them from Smash's camera's point of view. What do you mean by depth?By width I mean depth.
I don't mean as a character. He used examples of Metroid stuff in Brawl to claim that Sakurai doesn't pay attention to Metroid, I used Porky as an example to show that Metroid isn't the only series that has stuff that doesn't represent it perfectly (Porky's attacks are made up and don't reflect how his machine fights in Mother 3). It has nothing to do with characters.Well I don't know Earthbound at all, can you make another example that I could understand? But I can see what you mean by a huge spider mech being weird as a character.
I think it'd be easier to lower the size of his tail than his wings. You couldn't shrink his wings much before they start looking bad.An example would be clipping his wings. I also think clipping just his tail would help a little with length.
I phrased it badly. I wasn't saying he was unimportant, I was just saying that characters shouldn't get in just because they're villains. That's not much better than adding a character just to give a series another slot. K. Rool is important enough to make it, but because Dixie has precedent, I believe she's more likely.What part of MAIN ANTAGONIST is unimportant? 0_0
I would think that the worst-case scenario is that they don't try (outside of the concept stages, which they probably already did with Brawl).Knowing they SHOULD. Worst case scenario, they try and he is broken or a major nerfbag. I don't care, I want Ridley for the sake of Ridley.
I forgot about him - however, it's not just the size, and it's not just the non-humanoid build. It's both the size and the non-humanoid build.Ivysaur.
That's the whole problem here. Metroid really could use another character, but there aren't any choices that don't have something wrong.Ridley is the ONLY CHOICE Metroid has. Either we get Ridley or we leave it at Samus. Japan hates Metroid prime apparently, so I doubt Ghor or Rundas will make it (Sad face...)
That's basically what I meant. You can't just start adding characters just because the series doesn't have many, especially since the character doesn't need to be in.Yoshi doesn't really have a main antagonist except for Baby Bowser, but Baby Bowser....I think Kamek would be a better choice.
Oh. Well, yeah, that doesn't mean anything.Depth. Like from the foreground to the Background. Like the CHARACTER'S left and right when they face OUR left or right.
Yeh. I wish they would just ACCEPT Metroid Prime. If they did, we wouldn't be talking about this right now.I don't mean as a character. He used examples of Metroid stuff in Brawl to claim that Sakurai doesn't pay attention to Metroid, I used Porky as an example to show that Metroid isn't the only series that has stuff that doesn't represent it perfectly (Porky's attacks are made up and don't reflect how his machine fights in Mother 3). It has nothing to do with characters.
My bad, I didn't read it very well. =P
I think it'd be easier to lower the size of his tail than his wings. You couldn't shrink his wings much before they start looking bad.
I would rather they clip the wings if that's necessary. He would look weird with wings but no tail. That would ruin him more than a bad resize I think.
I phrased it badly. I wasn't saying he was unimportant, I was just saying that characters shouldn't get in just because they're villains. That's not much better than adding a character just to give a series another slot. K. Rool is important enough to make it, but because Dixie has precedent, I believe she's more likely.
Yeh, possibly. But I think we'll just have to disagree on that, I believe the main antagonist is right behind the main protagonist in importance. yes, that means I think K. Rool could have and maybe SHOULD have been in in Melee or brawl.
I would think that the worst-case scenario is that they don't try (outside of the concept stages, which they probably already did with Brawl).
True, I think the WORST worst case scenario is they don't test it. But I don't think they TESTED the characters very much. I honestly think they just revised their list and went through character models and attacks.
I forgot about him - however, it's not just the size, and it's not just the non-humanoid build. It's both the size and the non-humanoid build.
Charizard.
That's the whole problem here. Metroid really could use another character, but there aren't any choices that don't have something wrong.
It's either the frame argument or the lack of popularity. If the japanese liked Metroid Prime this would be SO MUCH LESS COMPLICATED. I mean if they liked it more, it could be like "Hey, we can't give you Ridley, but hey here's Sylux/Rundas/Ghor/Dark Samus."
I take back what I said earlier. The worst-case scenario wouldn't be not trying to make Ridley, it'd be shoehorning him in just because he's a villain.
You want a non-villain metroid rep? I guess it's time to call Admiral Dane.
That's basically what I meant. You can't just start adding characters just because the series doesn't have many, especially since the character doesn't need to be in.
I mainly mean F-Zero, Yoshi and Metroid. They only have ONE REP and are all great series. I'll stop whining about it when they all have TWO reps.
I don't know why the whole "Smash needs more villains" thing came from. I mean, yeah, it could be cool, but there's definitely more factors behind a character's inclusion than "he's a villain, we need him in the game".
Smash needs more villains because it's mostly heroes. Even if we add the two villains left for grabs, that leaves all heroes. All heroes is no fun, after a while you just want to go beat Bowser or Ganondorf with whoever the hell you want.
Oh. Well, yeah, that doesn't mean anything.
That was my point exactly. I actually heard the width argument when it came to some character I don't remember...
I hope he listens earlier and spends more time on characters and stages. No more GIGANTIC ENDLESS STORY MODE. If they're gonna do that, they need to not set a release date. At least, not until they finalize the roster. -_-I figure that Ridley and K-rool and such, would have gotten in, if they had that poll earlier, i remember reading somewhere that sakurai had the roster finalized with the exception of sonic in 06 (including characters who's data is in the game, but weren't finished), and sonic was the only thing to come of the poll.
Besides sakuari did acknowledge ridleys popularity, and made him into two bosses, it shows he was listening, but just ran out of time.
Wait, by "clip" you actually meant a total removal? I can't see them cutting both his wings and his tail, especially since he uses both to fight.I would rather they clip the wings if that's necessary. He would look weird with wings but no tail. That would ruin him more than a bad resize I think.
I think that K. Rool and Dixie are about equal in importance. If it wasn't for Dixie being planned or considered for Brawl I wouldn't say she's more likely than K. Rool.Yeh, possibly. But I think we'll just have to disagree on that, I believe the main antagonist is right behind the main protagonist in importance. yes, that means I think K. Rool could have and maybe SHOULD have been in in Melee or brawl.
I'm not so sure. Sakurai's statements at GDC seem to indicate that they did do a lot of in-depth stuff (although I guess they didn't really try very hard to look into what high-level play would be like).True, I think the WORST worst case scenario is they don't test it. But I don't think they TESTED the characters very much. I honestly think they just revised their list and went through character models and attacks.
Charizard's actually not all that big (he's, like, six feet).Charizard.
Partially true.It's either the frame argument or the lack of popularity. If the japanese liked Metroid Prime this would be SO MUCH LESS COMPLICATED. I mean if they liked it more, it could be like "Hey, we can't give you Ridley, but hey here's Sylux/Rundas/Ghor/Dark Samus."
No, I'm just saying that it would be bad reasoning to try so hard to get Ridley in just because he's the main villain.You want a non-villain metroid rep? I guess it's time to call Admiral Dane.
But Yoshi doesn't have anything that needs to be in. Any new Yoshi characters would just be superfluous. It's like saying Kirby or Mother need another character (I know they don't have only one, but it's the same kind of situation).I mainly mean F-Zero, Yoshi and Metroid. They only have ONE REP and are all great series. I'll stop whining about it when they all have TWO reps.
Yeah, but that leads to people arguing that characters should get in just because they're villains. Like Kamek. He's really just a generic Magikoopa and is a secondary villain in a few games. The only thing he has going for him at all is that he's a villain.Smash needs more villains because it's mostly heroes. Even if we add the two villains left for grabs, that leaves all heroes. All heroes is no fun, after a while you just want to go beat Bowser or Ganondorf with whoever the hell you want.
I swear, this has become so overcomplicated just because Metroid prime isn't as liked overseas. -_- Everyone from a prime game is unlikely except for Sylux and Rundas, because Rundas is popular and Sylux is rumored to appear in the next Metroid. All that's left are recurring villains, Mother Brain/Kraid/Ridley. Out of those three, take out the thing with virtually no body. Also take out the thing that outsizes Ridley the whole series and has only appeared half as much. That leaves Ridley.Wait, by "clip" you actually meant a total removal? I can't see them cutting both his wings and his tail, especially since he uses both to fight.
I want only the WINGS removed if anything needs to get removed. I don't want anything removed at all.
I think that K. Rool and Dixie are about equal in importance. If it wasn't for Dixie being planned or considered for Brawl I wouldn't say she's more likely than K. Rool.
Yeh. Understand that much.
I'm not so sure. Sakurai's statements at GDC seem to indicate that they did do a lot of in-depth stuff (although I guess they didn't really try very hard to look into what high-level play would be like).
That's pretty obvious to me, especially looking at King DDD.
Charizard's actually not all that big (he's, like, six feet).
Exactly. He was SCALED DOWN to six feet.
Partially true.
I only say that because the only Metroid Prime character who has any lasting significance is Dark Samus. The others are just one-offs.
But Dark Samus is only the antagonist of Metroid prime, which is hated in Japan. Also, Dark Samus has a good chance of being somewhat of a clone.
No, I'm just saying that it would be bad reasoning to try so hard to get Ridley in just because he's the main villain.
Samus is the only protagonist in the series, except for the MP3 hunters who BECOME villains. Metroid has nothing but villains left to PICK, unless you think I'm serious about Admiral Dane.
But Yoshi doesn't have anything that needs to be in. Any new Yoshi characters would just be superfluous. It's like saying Kirby or Mother need another character (I know they don't have only one, but it's the same kind of situation).
I admit, Yoshi probably doesn't need a 2nd NEARLY as much as F-Zero and Metroid. But it would be somewhat nice to see that happen.
F-Zero should get another character in the next game, but it's not a necessity. Metroid is the same way, except there's not much in the way of choices there.
F-Zero has two good choices. Metroid has one good choice and two/three VERY IFFY choices.
Yeah, but that leads to people arguing that characters should get in just because they're villains. Like Kamek. He's really just a generic Magikoopa and is a secondary villain in a few games. The only thing he has going for him at all is that he's a villain.
He may be generic, but he's all that Yoshi has. At least I don't say BIRDO, Birdo is mario and never got involved with Yoshi except sports games and MKDD.
No, he actually is five feet.Exactly. He was SCALED DOWN to six feet.
That's what I've been saying. It's the only reasonable character from Prime, but just like Ridley, it has stuff working against it too.But Dark Samus is only the antagonist of Metroid prime, which is hated in Japan. Also, Dark Samus has a good chance of being somewhat of a clone.
You misunderstood me again. I'm still just saying that it's bad to pick a villain just because he's a villain, and like I was saying in that original post, it would be stupid if the developers tried to shoehorn him in the game if their reasoning was just "he's Metroid's villain".Samus is the only protagonist in the series, except for the MP3 hunters who BECOME villains. Metroid has nothing but villains left to PICK, unless you think I'm serious about Admiral Dane.
I would say that F-Zero has two viable choices and Metroid (currently) has two iffy choices (one of which may not even be an option in the future).F-Zero has two good choices. Metroid has one good choice and two/three VERY IFFY choices.
Exactly my point. If all Yoshi has is basically a generic enemy, then it doesn't need anything else.He may be generic, but he's all that Yoshi has. At least I don't say BIRDO, Birdo is mario and never got involved with Yoshi except sports games and MKDD.
2 choices were Black Shadow and Goroh.[Towards Majora]
Y'know, I assume when you mention F-Zero having 2 choices, that you must be considering Black Shadow, who'd have knw choice but to be a clone. So then, why isn't Dark Samus considered? (Though technically she shouldn't be a clone at all...)
Also, I hardly think Rundas is popular. >_>
Well duh he was. Goroh got taken out of the race near the begning, because he was one of the first ATs shown. Black Shadow was the only one left who made any sense. In the end though, I'd say Zoda had a larger role in the anime than BS. (At least if you are under the impression that Team Rocket plays a larger role in the Pokemon anime than Giovanni)I'm basing my information off of a person that actually is Japanese and has told me about this, along with the fact that Black Shadow had a much larger role in the anime (which played a role in F-Zero getting a popularity boost in Japan semi-recently).
And as far as I know, the Japanese fans almost universally considered Black Shadow to be more likely than Goroh back before release.
Yes, but I also meant before that.Well duh he was. Goroh got taken out of the race near the begning, because he was one of the first ATs shown. Black Shadow was the only one left who made any sense.
That's a good point, but I'd say Black Shadow plays a bigger role in F-Zero's anime than Giovanni did / does in Pokemon's.In the end though, I'd say Zoda had a larger role in the anime than BS. (At least if you are under the impression that Team Rocket plays a larger role in the Pokemon anime than Giovanni)
I'll take this in two steps. First off, welcome to the boards. Since you're brand new to us, I'll be nice, though I would anyway. But I'll be even nicer. So, the first thing you should know is that people on these boards are very bothered by spam, off-topicness, and noobliness in general. You fit the second two criteria. So, what you should do in the future is to use the much-beloved search function. It's right up there on the top of the page, is easy to use, and is pretty useful too. If you can't find the answer that way, you should go to a relevant question/answer thread. For this question, I'd check the Snake boards and see if they have one. If they don't, then either on the general boards, or perhaps tactical. Trust me though, every board should have one of those. So, ask it there. This is the easiest process to avoid being flamed and to keep the boards clean.Hey I got a question for ya! What are controller ports and why do they matter do much? I've heard from other that they are important with Snake, which is my main.![]()
Hmm..........a new version of team battle?To get us back on topic, hm... Let's see. Any new ideas for new modes/mini games? Don't say bring back board the platforms; how about something new and original?
What about minigames like the ones from Tatsunoko vs. Capcom? But, if you don't know, I'll explain: TvsC, each character has a minigame (Ryu has a Hadouken throwing minigame, Chun-li has a minigame in which you have to repeatedly kick rocks, Ken the Eagle has to take down the bad guys from his anime with his throwing weapon, etc).To get us back on topic, hm... Let's see. Any new ideas for new modes/mini games? Don't say bring back board the platforms; how about something new and original?
What i meant was that if people find it easy to aviod perhaps they should make it harder thats all (i probably just suckI REALLY hope they don't remove Kirby's FS because one person says it's hard to avoid. I have YET to be hit by that final smash in competitive matches.
how fun would that be(luigi has a Shyruken throwing minigame, ZSS has a minigame in which you have to repeatedly kick rocks Link has to take down the bad guys from his anime with his throwing weapon, etc).
That's already in brawl though. It's just Pokemon Trainer. : DEach player picks 2-3 characters for their team, andcan switch between them mid match, but switches automatically when one runs out of stock...I guess
<_< Hilarious. I meant pick ANY three characters at all. So, three pokemon trainers would be NINE options. : D lol.That's already in brawl though. It's just Pokemon Trainer. : D
Switching after stock is ok but how would you switch mid battle? I mean PT has their down B but everyone else is all out of buttons to use to switch.<_< Hilarious. I meant pick ANY three characters at all. So, three pokemon trainers would be NINE options. : D lol.
they could shake the wii remote or L and R buttons on gamecubeSwitching after stock is ok but how would you switch mid battle? I mean PT has their down B but everyone else is all out of buttons to use to switch.
The most likey thought to me is the Pokemon Trainer's Pokemon, since it's too many Kanto Pokemon and everything. I think Wolf is too important in the Star Fox sieres to get kicked out.Also who do you think is going to get cut. Wolf might get cut but who knows.
no noobs love zard,squrtle is importent and Ivy is just awsomeStamina mode should have health bars instead of health precents, that would make it more use full if you can raise the level of Stamina.
The most likey thought to me is the Pokemon Trainer's Pokemon, since it's too many Kanto Pokemon and everything. I think Wolf is too important in the Star Fox sieres to get kicked out.