[Official SSB4 Discussion] --- Nintendo announces 2 new Smash games!

[Darky Dee]

You want Toon Link out but Roy back in? That's....No, that's just not good. If you actually think about it, Toon Link is the more deserving Link, especially if you consider how many games he's been in compared to adult Link.

Also, *judges you for the Yoda thing*

Toon Link is Link though, despite the split timeline issue from OoT. It just means Link's reincarnates have to pull double-duty. Roy and Marth aren't the same people. They should just change Roy up more to declone him like Falcon/Ganondorf.

why would you ever replace toon link with midna, twilight already has a rep, LINK, and anyways, the way that they could have made toon links moveset so much different is reason enough to let him stay, maybe they actually will add the deku leaf, maybe while he's on the ground he could use it as a FLUDD type move, kind of like G&W's Uair except with more lag, so its not completely broken lol., and the bombchus are a good idea and they could keep his bow, so he could still be spammy, just give his moveset a big change.

That's only if, but I would still prefer someone entirely different than "Toon/Link", and Midna seemed suitable because she was the main character of Twilight Princess and would be a lot more unique than a clone of Link.

But having his Up B changed to this Grapple Hook act like Ice Climber's Belay move, but instead latches onto the opponents and pulls Toon Link toward the stage, while pulling the the opponents down like Zero Suit Samus's Plasma Whip but doesn't spike them. This would change his spin attack as his Up-A or Up-Smash I suppose.

Bombchu would be faster and climb up obstacles in one direction.

Deku Leaf could blow people away and if held in the air, would act as a glide feature.

And he could retain his Bow.

 

[toon_marth]

cool thread, but anyways I hope Megaman (who should have been in Brawl btw! Sakurai will be in the next installment of Smash, but this gets me thinking, will there even be another smash?

Good ol' Megaman:

Don't say that!

 

[princesspeachluver13]

uh....there is gonna be a new SSB....hopefully more Mario Characters (Rosalina, Shadow Queen, and Paper Mario) and Zelda Characters(Toon Zelda/Sheik and Toon Ganondorf). If Paper Mario IS in, he should have a stage that makes all fighters on that stage paper form, with the black outline and such. If Toon Zelda/Sheik and Toon Ganon are in, the Toon stage should make all characters toon form.

 

[rexinator]

uh....there is gonna be a new SSB....hopefully more Mario Characters (Rosalina, Shadow Queen, and Paper Mario) and Zelda Characters(Toon Zelda/Sheik and Toon Ganondorf). If Paper Mario IS in, he should have a stage that makes all fighters on that stage paper form, with the black outline and such. If Toon Zelda/Sheik and Toon Ganon are in, the Toon stage should make all characters toon form.

I kinda like that idea. Just imagine a toon Bowser.

 

[hippochinfat!!]

I still think this thread could/should be divided into seperate threads. It could really cut down on the chaos. Nobodies opinions are really heard or remembered because if you make any post, it just gets lost in the chaotic shuffle.

SamuraiPanda already said they won't split up this thread and that we're lucky enough to even HAVE a thread for this.

 

[Red Arremer]

uh....there is gonna be a new SSB....hopefully more Mario Characters (Rosalina, Shadow Queen, and Paper Mario)

You and your Shadow Queen...

I'd rather have Bowser Jr. and Kamek as another Mario (or in Kamek's case Yoshi) rep than those you mentioned. I can't think of anyone else being major enough to justify another character.

What Smash really needs is more F-Zero, Metroid, Landmasters and underappreciated series like Golden Sun, Stafy and Panel de Pon.

 

[LUVTOY77-ROGUE WIREFRAME]

You and your Shadow Queen...

I'd rather have Bowser Jr. and Kamek as another Mario (or in Kamek's case Yoshi) rep than those you mentioned. I can't think of anyone else being major enough to justify another character.

What Smash really needs is more F-Zero, Metroid, Landmasters and underappreciated series like Golden Sun, Stafy and Panel de Pon.

couldn't b. jr. be a yoshi rep. as well?

 

[MasterWarlord]

Yoshi should never get another rep because it never should've been considered it's own series. All Yoshi being it's own series has done is make people whine that there isn't enough Mario representation when in fact Yoshi and Wario are Mario reps.

I love Kamek, but I don't see him getting in, as he'd only be seriously considered if they wanted a second Yoshi rep. Even then, Nintendo likes the Baby Bros. far more, as shown in Mario Kart by the mass production of unneeded babies.

Bowser Jr. is the only good choice for a Mario rep and maybe Paper Mario, althouh Bowser Jr. is becoming more and more likely as he keeps appearing in the main games. It's inevitable he'll get in Smash eventually if his pattern keeps going.

Spoiler

Kudos to person who finds the hidden innunendo in this post

Edit: Luvtoy Wireframe: Bowser Jr. /=/ Baby Bowser. They're two different entities. One is Bowser as a baby, one is Bowser's son. Baby Bowser is present in the Mario Parties, Yoshi's Island and Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time (Where he had a redesign that made him strikingly similiar to his future son).

 

[the_Capt_Falcon_Master]

as far as the major series go these are my choices:

mario:
-bowser jr.
-paper mario
-baby bros.
-waluigi
-petey pirhanna

zelda:
-tlink de-cloned
-ganon de-cloned
-mask link (i know, probably wont happen)

metroid:
-RIDLEY
-mabye dark samus or a hunter? i haven't played much metroid honestly

Star Fox:
-Krystal
-Leon/some other villianous type guy

Pokemon:
-MEWTWO!!!
-Some other first gen poke (hopefully electabuzz or magmar my two favs from that gen)
-Some other poke from the newest gen

DK:
-Dixie kong
-K. Rool
-either Lanky, chunky, funky, or tiny kong


these are just the guys that i think deserve it the most.

 

[ChronoPenguin]

No Yoshi reps, kthxbai.

More Zelda reps. Only 1 Link though plz and thank you.
Gimme 2 Ganondorfs this time, also Give me Vaati, kthxbai.

Hey...I wanz more Golden sun!!!!!

 

[Eva01]

Metroid is in serious need of another rep, Ridley is in serious need of a new cameo. I think the two will find a lovely home together as long as they keep Ridley out of their lame 1P modes.

 

[Darky Dee]

More Zelda reps. Only 1 Link though plz and thank you.
Gimme 2 Ganondorfs this time...

Gimme 2 Jewnondorfs this time, amirite? I SEE WHAT YOU DID THERE.

Honestly, 1 Link is enough. Midna inb4 Toon Link.

f(x)DarkSamus>Ridley=/=Ridley(inb4)DarkSamus
f(x)=no solution
NO MORE METROID REPS!

Shadow Queen? Paper forms? Toon Forms? Doppelgangers? WHAT!? Don't you dare.

More diversity in franchise representatives. We only had one new franchise addition, and he was really lame. Any guesses?

ADVANCE CUSTOM GOLDEN ROBO SUN WARS anyone?

 

[Agi]

My list of likely returning veterans:

Mario
Luigi
Peach
Bowser
Link
Zelda/Sheik
Ganondorf
The young version of link when SSB4 is released
Yoshi
DK
Samus
Kirby
Fox
Falco
Pikachu
Jigglypuff
New pokemon series Psychic representative
Ness
Marth
"Strength" FE Lord
Captain Falcon
G&W



You may be thinking this list is obvious... and I do as well. Basically what I'm saying is this: Any character that hangs around for two games will in all likelyhood stay in.

 

[Eva01]

I've never really understood the Dark Samus fad. To me adding Dark Samus would be like adding in Blood Falcon or Shadow. There just doesn't seem to be enough differences in either models or possible move-sets to warrant them as anything more than costume variants. Besides Dark Samus has only been in two Metroid games(one of which I'd argue as the franchises worst) and Ridley has been in every game in the entire series excluding Metroid Pinball.

 

[Darky Dee]

My list of likely returning veterans:

Mario
Luigi
Peach
Bowser
Link
Zelda/Sheik
Ganondorf
Gay Link
Yoshi
DK
Diddy Kong
Samus
Zero Suit Samus
Kirby
Meta Knight
King Dedede
Fox
Falco
Pikachu
Jigglypuff
New pokemon series Psychic representative
Ness
Lucas
Wario
Marth
"Strength" FE Lord
Captain Falcon
G&W
R.O.B.



You may be thinking this list is obvious... and I do as well. Basically what I'm saying is this: Any character that hangs around for two games will in all likelyhood stay in.

Fix'd 10chairzards

I've never really understood the Dark Samus fad. To me adding Dark Samus would be like adding in Blood Falcon or Shadow. There just doesn't seem to be enough differences in either models or possible move-sets to warrant them as anything more than costume variants. Besides Dark Samus has only been in two Metroid games(one of which I'd argue as the franchises worst) and Ridley has been in every game in the entire series excluding Metroid Pinball.

I concur with all of the above, but Dark Samus was the strongest opponent she's faced. And Dark Samus is another dead opponent she faced, so it's chances of making it are zero to none. As for Ridley, SIZE MATTERS!

 

[gamer8]

Fix'd 10chairzards

Dammit, beat me to it.

 

[Darky Dee]

Whatever you do, don't make another post gamer8. TAKE A SCREEN CAP AND SAVE YOUR POST COUNT!

 

[Big-Cat]

I've never really understood the Dark Samus fad. To me adding Dark Samus would be like adding in Blood Falcon or Shadow. There just doesn't seem to be enough differences in either models or possible move-sets to warrant them as anything more than costume variants. Besides Dark Samus has only been in two Metroid games(one of which I'd argue as the franchises worst) and Ridley has been in every game in the entire series excluding Metroid Pinball.

Have you even played the Metroid Prime games? The similarities between the two end at the appearance and use of a hand gun.

Did anyone notice that Dark Samus' trophy said her origins were unknown along and that she's identical to Samus?

 

[Red Arremer]

My list of likely returning veterans:

Mario
Luigi
Peach
Bowser
Link
Zelda/Sheik
Ganondorf
The young version of link when SSB4 is released
Yoshi
DK
Samus
Kirby
Fox
Falco
Pikachu
Jigglypuff
New pokemon series Psychic representative
Ness
Marth
"Strength" FE Lord
Captain Falcon
G&W

Where's Wario in this list! D:<

As for that guy who mentioned Krystal.

Whenever Krystal should be added to Smash, this will be the day I will kill myself. I don't consider Krystal being a Star Fox character, and neither a Nintendo character. She is RARE. She wasn't supposed to be in Star Fox in the first place, and should've stayed on Dinosaur Planet, wobbling with her boobs. For God's sake, I'd rather have 10 Star Fox clones with Landmasters as Final Smashes rather than adding Krystal. Seriously. <_<

 

[the_Capt_Falcon_Master]

Where's Wario in this list! D:<

As for that guy who mentioned Krystal.

Whenever Krystal should be added to Smash, this will be the day I will kill myself. I don't consider Krystal being a Star Fox character, and neither a Nintendo character. She is RARE. She wasn't supposed to be in Star Fox in the first place, and should've stayed on Dinosaur Planet, wobbling with her boobs. For God's sake, I'd rather have 10 Star Fox clones with Landmasters as Final Smashes rather than adding Krystal. Seriously. <_<

the reason i put krystal up there is because of all the furry fanfare she has had as of late. I personally dont care (i would much rather have leon) but from what ive heard krystal is popular

 

[Skyshroud]

What Smash really needs is more F-Zero, Metroid, Landmasters and underappreciated series like Golden Sun

I'd love to see Golden Sun, but even beyond that we need some kind of magic sword user.

mario:
-bowser jr.
-paper mario
-baby bros.
-waluigi
-petey pirhanna

Pokemon:
-MEWTWO!!!
-Some other first gen poke (hopefully electabuzz or magmar my two favs from that gen)
-Some other poke from the newest gen

How many Mario and Pokemon reps do we need. 1 more for each is enough, kthxbye.

 

[the_Capt_Falcon_Master]

im not saying we need all of those. those are just ones id like to see.

 

[Darky Dee]

the reason i put krystal up there is because of all the furry fanfare she has had as of late. I personally dont care (i would much rather have leon) but from what ive heard krystal is popular

Lets all motorboat it; Krystal has ****. She doesn't deserve to GTFO. Yes to her.

King K. Rool is needed to complete the protagonist/sidekick/villain mold for the DK series. Yes to him.

Dixie Kong has a training bra, uniqueness, and popularity. Yes to her.

Issac is the protagonist of Nintendo's traditional turn-based RPG franchise. Yes to him.

Captain Rainbow is Nintendo's counter-culture breed of typical core games. Yes to him.

Ray MK II is their promising yet wannabe Armored Core series. Yes to him.

All Megaman needs is for Inafune to bend over even more than he already is. Yes to him.

Mewtwo just needed buffs, no reason to boot him. Yes to his return.

Shadow Queen is a nobody-- no to her a million times over.

Paper/Toon forms, I don't know what to say about those catastrophies. No to them.

I think...
Samus should have Ice Missiles.
Lucas needs to be more de-cloned. Final Smash can be different- PK Love? Different PSI attacks?
Lucario's Extreme Speed should so something offensive.
Chairzard should have multiple jumps.
Falco should dual-wield his blasters like he does in SSE.
Bowser should have a tether recovery option with the chomp.
Olimar really needs better recovery options.
ZSSamus' flip kick should be easier to land a meteor smash over voids.

 

[Red Arremer]

Lets all motorboat it; Krystal has ****. She doesn't deserve to GTFO. Yes to her.

Whilst I agree with you to the rest of your list and generally would like to see more, FAR more female characters in Brawl, I do NOT agree with this statement. Krystal is not deserving any love, she didn't even deserve to be added in more games than Star Fox Adventures, which to me is still Dinosaur Planet.
In my understanding the game called "Star Fox Adventures" never existed. It's crap. Star Fox would've done better without it. FAR better. It's not even worthy of wearing that franchise's name. And neither do all characters which appeared in it.

 

[Darky Dee]

I thought the game should be praised for it's time. Being bitter about her because of various reasons like StarFox Adventures not being a on-rails shooter doesn't seem like a reason to axe her. She appears in other games as well.

Being the reason that she didn't first appear in a cockpit is more of a reason to see her in action since we have a grasp of what techniques and abilities she can use, instead of fabricated stuff or more likely to be a clone of what we currently have with a different StarFox character.

 

[Deleted member]

Even to make a list now is ridiculous. I'm sure it has already been said; I'm waiting until a game is even announced before I go for it, some characters not even concieved yet may be in it, or it may never come to fruition at all.

 

[Big-Cat]

I thought the game should be praised for it's time. Being bitter about her because of various reasons like StarFox Adventures not being a on-rails shooter doesn't seem like a reason to axe her. She appears in other games as well.

I agree and I thought Adventures was fun. If you guys think it's a really bad game, then think of it is as a side story explaining Krystal's entrance into the series.

Anyway, what if SSB4 was co-developed by Capcom? At the very least, I can see them handling the competitive aspect of the game. At the same time, I can see so many deserving characters like Megaman, Ryu, Chun-Li, and maybe even Viewtiful Joe and Amaterasu getting in because of this.

 

[Deleted member]

Why would Capcom co-develop the next game? Any reason, or are you pulling ideas from a happy place?

 

[SilentFalcon]

Yeah you guys... Krystal is an awful character. Although I would love to have some really kickass girl characters, because sorry, Samus sucks, and Peach and Sheik have gotten bad, etc.

WTB good girl characters and some good AT's back.

I WANT TO SHFFL!!!!

 

[Big-Cat]

Why would Capcom co-develop the next game? Any reason, or are you pulling ideas from a happy place?

It's just an idea from my happy place. It may not be too unlikely if you think about it.

 

[Deleted member]

It's just an idea from my happy place. It may not be too unlikely if you think about it.

It's an interesting idea.

Smash Bros. is a Nintendo franchise starring near entirely Nintendo-owned likenesses. Capcom could add to it in a minor way, like Konami and SEGA did in Brawl, but it's very unlikely that they'd "co-develop" it in anyway. Even if they did, that doesn't ensure half a dozen Capcom characters in the game, unless there was a deal struck between Nintendo, which is bordering on insane.

 

[Big-Cat]

Actually, I think it could happen. Think about it, Capcom has done crossovers with Namco, SNK, and Tetsuko. Rumors have it that they're interested in working with Sega. If the Smash vs. Capcom idea was marketed as a spin-off series, I think it would be received well.

 

[Deleted member]

Actually, I think it could happen. Think about it, Capcom has done crossovers with Namco, SNK, and Tetsuko. Rumors have it that they're interested in working with Sega. If the Smash vs. Capcom idea was marketed as a spin-off series, I think it would be received well.

Yeah, but this is Nintendo and Smash Bros. Unlike 2D fighting games, in Smash Bros. every character has to accomodate the style of the series and have his own model as well as physics that fit. So, unlike those other games Capcom has helped out with, it's not the case of copy pasting models and tweaking them.

Nintendo is also very secretive and self-efficient. I doubt they would want nor need Capcom's aid in creating a new game. Capcom being handed the series entirely is more likely, if a sequel is in development hell for a long time.

 

[SmashChu]

It's just an idea from my happy place. It may not be too unlikely if you think about it.

Naw. It's pretty unlikely. Of course, a Nintendo vs Capcom would be cool.

 

[Darky Dee]

Actually, I think it could happen. Think about it, Capcom has done crossovers with Namco, SNK, and Tetsuko. Rumors have it that they're interested in working with Sega. If the Smash vs. Capcom idea was marketed as a spin-off series, I think it would be received well.

WAVEDASHING THIS!

In a Street Fighter IV interview from December 2007, Capcom producer Yoshinori Ono expresses his interest in creating a new Marvel vs. Capcom game.

“We asked Ono (Yoshinori Ono, Capcom producer), if he’d like to try reinventing any of the other fighting franchises languishing in Capcom’s stable. As it turns out, he sure does: “Personally, I’d love to make a new Marvel vs. Capcom, and I’d also like to see the triumphant return of Darkstalkers to a new generation of technology.

Oh, it's love. Dante, Zero, Thessa, Red Armerrer, Nero, Soki, Zac&Wiki, Leon Kennedy, Apollo Justice, Viewful Joe with Phoenix, Black Cat, Johnny the Human Torch, Reed Richards, Ghost Rider, Punisher, Thor, Emma Frost, Dare Devil, Elektra.

Yeah you guys... Krystal is an awful character. Although I would love to have some really kickass girl characters, because sorry, Samus sucks, and Peach and Sheik have gotten bad, etc.

Samus? Sucks? That's basically an oxymoron. I think it's more of a matter of the player's skill level.

 

[rexinator]

I still think there should be SOME type of DLC. I'm constantly reminding myself that Rock Band and Guitar hero do it with songs. Why not characters or stages in SSBC?

 

[Agi]

Brawl DOES have DLC... assuming you count the semi-daily stages.

I agree though, it should be implemented more.

 

[SmashBrother2008]

Ummm..... Balance?

 

[BrawlTilDawn309]

Auron for Riot

 

[SonicX580]

I hope there are more none ninentdo characters
Ex. Sliver The Hedgehog, Blaze The cat, Naruto, Sasuke,
Sora, Riku, Tails, Knuckles, Shadow.

The there should be a online ranking scale.

Make a item better than the smashball

Bring back charaters: Mewtwo, Roy, YoungLink, Dr.mario

Don't replace any characters.

And finally a storyline better than the Subspace Emmisary with characters talking or at least subtitles and all of the characters involed.

That's my wish for the smash series.