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[da K.I.D.]

second hit of the up air can beat robs nair relatively easily. Its just kinda hard/weird to time

 

[Camalange]

Uair second hit also outranges ROB Dair.

When perfectly spaced >.> lol

 

[Roxas1988]

I actually go for the grab against Rob's Nair. But you have to predict how hes either going to land or follow up with it.

 

[BSP]

huh, i could've sworn I asked this question, but i dont see it anywhere so: I've seen sonics in videos run off the edge in a full run, and immediately grab the ledge...how do you do it?

 

[r3d d09]

... as in just walking off and grabbing the ledge?

 

[Tenki]

huh, i could've sworn I asked this question, but i dont see it anywhere so: I've seen sonics in videos run off the edge in a full run, and immediately grab the ledge...how do you do it?

instant ledgehog-
assuming that [forward] is towards the stage, and [back] is away from it:

1) roll to ledge
2) quickly do a [back]-[down]-[forward] motion on the control stick

in essence, you fastfall off the edge (which keeps you near it) then your flick towards the stage starts up your ledgegrab.


after you get used to that, basically you just work your way up to walking to the ledge and ledgehogging, and then running off the edge and edgehogging.

Any character can do it ;3

 

[Camalange]

up air does 9%
fair does 13% (rarely, since it usually doesnt hit with all the hits)
nair does 13% on the initial hit.

Nair only does 11% on the initial hit. Second hit is 8%, last hit is 5%.

):<

Yeah, I know I'm beating a dead horse, but I just wanted to correct this.

 

[Kupo Rose]

Fair does 14%

>.>

Just a minor error.

 

[Camalange]

Man, it just keeps getting better and better!

 

[Roxas1988]

Ok and of course the IASA frames on the bair come out on......

 

[da K.I.D.]

does nair actually have 3 hits?

I only seem to get a weak and a strong one

 

[Browny]

11, 8 and 5 damage hits

 

[Roxas1988]

does nair actually have 3 hits?

I only seem to get a weak and a strong one

it gets weaker and has three hitboxes.

 

[Boxob.]

it gets weaker and has three hitboxes.

Shut the **** up.

 

[Roxas1988]

Shut the **** up.

make me ***** xp.

 

[OFY]

I don't have a wii so I can't test, but can characters, specifically Ice Climbers, shield grab a ASC?

 

[Browny]

every character can easily shield grab an ASC if you land it right in front of their face... still cant believe people actually use this as a direct approach honestly

 

[Roxas1988]

every character can easily shield grab an ASC if you land it right in front of their face... still cant believe people actually use this as a direct approach honestly

I know whatcha mean i only use it to mind game. Even then it's only a bit useful. But you can be aggresive with it.

 

[Tenki]

They can't shieldgrab high ASC's can they? (ones that, if you keep holding forward, land behind them)

can't test atm.

 

[Roxas1988]

They can't shieldgrab high ASC's can they? (ones that, if you keep holding forward, land behind them)

can't test atm.

I gotchu i'll test it.

 

[Camalange]

If you space it that way, you can't grab it from what I'm aware, however I've heard that characters like Lucario who have longer vertical grab range than most characters may be able to grab you.



also, has anyone noticed that if you time the jump off the shield right during the ASC...

ASC > shield connect > hit 1, hit 2 > jump

You get a weird, long ranged jump, almost as if Sonic is spinshotting off the shield? lol
it's hard to explain, it's something I've been doing forever, and I'm sure most of you are aware, I just don't recall us discussing this. I'm pretty sure that's impossible to punish.

*hopes people get what I'm trying to say*

 

[OFY]

If you space it that way, you can't grab it from what I'm aware, however I've heard that characters like Lucario who have longer vertical grab range than most characters may be able to grab you.



also, has anyone noticed that if you time the jump off the shield right during the ASC...

ASC > shield connect > hit 1, hit 2 > jump

You get a weird, long ranged jump, almost as if Sonic is spinshotting off the shield? lol
it's hard to explain, it's something I've been doing forever, and I'm sure most of you are aware, I just don't recall us discussing this. I'm pretty sure that's impossible to punish.

*hopes people get what I'm trying to say*

Yeah I noticed that jump as well but it isn't like a regular spinshot, its a spinshot but more vertical.

 

[~TBS~]

err...the only thing close to that, which i have did, was a footstool off of the opponent. Other than that, i never did this "hop" thing.

I get what you are saying cammy.

 

[Roxas1988]

So is it right to say that they can't grab you out of an SDJ? or are you refferring to a SDJ out of an ASC?

 

[Tenki]

technically you can't SDJ out of an ASC, but you can double jump -


actually he's saying that they can't grab you out of ASC if you're doing it high (aiming to land behind them - or think of the ASC> footstool kind of spacing), unless they have high vertical grab range like Lucario.

then he's bringing up something about a shieldstun jump and/or footstool out of a shield hit that apparently makes you jump higher.

 

[Roxas1988]

technically you can't SDJ out of an ASC, but you can double jump -


actually he's saying that they can't grab you out of ASC if you're doing it high (aiming to land behind them - or think of the ASC> footstool kind of spacing), unless they have high vertical grab range like Lucario.

then he's bringing up something about a shieldstun jump and/or footstool out of a shield hit that apparently makes you jump higher.

So he's trying to say that they can't shield grab because of the hitstun of the attack and because of the way you come out of it once you make contact?

 

[Tenki]

no, he's just saying that he randomly noticed that you can get a higher jump under certain circumstances.

I don't that part has anything to do with whether or not you can get grabbed LOL

I'm pretty sure the last thing anyone really said related to getting grabbed is that if you do a high ASC (going towards/across their head) you can't get shieldgrabbed by most characters.

 

[Roxas1988]

On a totally diferent note i like to space and build damage quick using the b-air just because i like abusing the IASA frames. Now, is it better to use my SD attacks and save up the b-air or just use my u-air more often?

 

[Umby]

On a totally diferent note i like to space and build damage quick using the b-air just because i like abusing the IASA frames. Now, is it better to use my SD attacks and save up the b-air or just use my u-air more often?

If you asked me, it should be a mix of these things. You could start off abusing Uair's hitbox to build damage, then start abusing bair (so you won't get punished if it hits and lower percentages). When these start putting the opponent in a peculiar position, you can try and follow up with SD shenanigans.

If you meant more in terms of spacing, use ftilt IMO.

 

[Camalange]

Yeah I noticed that jump as well but it isn't like a regular spinshot, its a spinshot but more vertical.

yessssssssssssssssss

err...the only thing close to that, which i have did, was a footstool off of the opponent. Other than that, i never did this "hop" thing.

I get what you are saying cammy.

i really wish i had my own capture so i could record random **** and show you guys. It's neat, lol

 

[Espy Rose]

Does it send you more vertically or horizontally far?
If it's vertical, it may just be you footstooling off of the opponents' shield.

 

[da K.I.D.]

it is a Facejump as espy says

 

[OFY]

So conclusion, if you aim a high ASC (the multiple hit one, hold forward) you'll land behind them thus not getting grab.

I need to try this is tournament and continually break the icies shield and stuff.

 

[~TBS~]

So conclusion, if you aim a high ASC (the multiple hit one, hold forward) you'll land behind them thus not getting grab.

I need to try this is tournament and continually break the icies shield and stuff.

if that was done, i'd jump for joy.

So, its just an ASC>footstool off of the shield?

 

[Tenki]

no, just ASC high

footstool is irrelevant/optional XD

 

[Roxas1988]

How affective would the ASC be against characters who know their jab can outprioritize any of sonic's SD attacks?

 

[PZ]

if u can answer this question it would b awesome to use sonic Q:how do u cancel the b att or somethin like that? or how do u spike with the srping on edge?or some1 most've hacked when i saw that

 

[Chis]

if u can answer this question it would b awesome to use sonic Q:how do u cancel the b att or somethin like that?

I take it that you're talking about the spin dash. Charge a Side B then press the sheild button before it's fully charged.

or how do u spike with the srping on edge?or some1 most've hacked when i saw that

That was a stage spike, the spring knocked them into the stage.

 

[Kinzer]

How affective would the ASC be against characters who know their jab can outprioritize any of sonic's SD attacks?

ASC and SDR are two different attacks, just because a character can attack right through your SDR doesn't mean ASC is any different.

In fact, it's worse. ASC has the same hitbox range (it's the outline, meaning it won't do @#$% to protect you from attacks like Snake's UTilt that reach far and because ASC doesn't clank) as SDR.

Use ASC wisely. If it's not working, stop doing it and try something else, or it will eventually be your downfall.

 

[da K.I.D.]

ASC beats most jabs, it actually has something kinda like priority.

lol