Official Pokemon Platinum Thread

[Bowser King]

I'm not really a shaymin fan. If it wasn't a legendary then there would be no problem but for a legendary it`s pretty lame. Sky forme though is cool. Right when I get shaymin im using gladicia(sp?)flower on it.

 

[Firus]

I'm not really a shaymin fan. If it wasn't a legendary then there would be no problem but for a legendary it`s pretty lame. Sky forme though is cool. Right when I get shaymin im using gladicia(sp?)flower on it.

But it's NOT a legendary. We all assume it is because it's an event Pokemon and because it's at the end of the Pokedex, but it's not an uber, it doesn't look legendary, and the battle music is normal. Rotom is at the end of the Pokedex as well, but isn't it a general consensus that he's not a legendary, just a one-time-chance Pokemon? So why do any different for Shaymin?

Failed Potato fails. I can't believe you actually like it.

 

[Spire]

Rotom > Shaymin.

I love Rotom for some reason. It's strange, and reminds me of an electric Baltoy.

 

[Bowser King]

But it's NOT a legendary. We all assume it is because it's an event Pokemon and because it's at the end of the Pokedex, but it's not an uber, it doesn't look legendary, and the battle music is normal. Rotom is at the end of the Pokedex as well, but isn't it a general consensus that he's not a legendary, just a one-time-chance Pokemon? So why do any different for Shaymin?

Failed Potato fails. I can't believe you actually like it.

Plus considering it has multiple formes.

Failed potato is cool! He's like a flying shaymin.

 

[Darkslash]

I would call Shaymin a Sub Legenday. Its legendary but only in folklore and human Legend. Not on par with Palkia or Dialga or Arceus.

And im going to be honest with you guys

Registeel, Regirock, Regice, regigigas, cresselia, and heatran are not legendaries to me. Shaymin is more of a legendary to me.

Look at this list i made.

People with Regigias

Battle Tycoon Palmer
Riley
possibly the player if they bothered Migrate all the Regi's

People with Cressellia


Battle Tycoon Palmer
Cheryl
Buck

player if you bothered to even chase that goddam pokemon

People with Heatran
Battle tycoon Palmer
Player if you bothered to go back to stark Mountain

People with all Regi's except Gigas
King Pyramid Brandon
The Player
Buck
Possibly Riley as he has Regigigas

List of Banned Battle Tower Pokemon

Mewtwo
Mew
Ho-oh
Lugia
Celebi
Kyogre
Groudon
Rayquaza
Jirachi
Deoxys
Dialga
Palkia
Giratina
Manaphy
Phione
Darkrai
Shaymin
Arceus

All of this taken from Seribii, and my copy of Pearl

http://www.serebii.net/diamondpearl/tower.shtml

And arn't Legendaries supposed to be only 1 in the whole game?

 

[Firus]

Plus considering it has multiple formes.

Failed potato is cool! He's like a flying shaymin.

So do Shellos, Cherrim, Burmy, and Wormadam. None of those are legendary.

List of Banned Battle Tower Pokemon
Mewtwo
Mew
Ho-oh
Lugia
Celebi
Kyogre
Groudon
Rayquaza
Jirachi
Deoxys
Dialga
Palkia
Giratina
Manaphy
Phione
Darkrai
Shaymin
Arceus

Phione is banned as well. Enough said.

 

[Wrath`]

Jirachi is not uber but it is ledgendary, so uberness does not count automatic ledgendary

 

[Firus]

Jirachi is not uber but it is ledgendary, so uberness does not count automatic ledgendary

Okay, fine. Shaymin is legendary. And it is epic and awesome as a legendary. Mew is a cute little cat-like Pokemon and no one complains, so why does Shaymin get looked down upon?

In any case, I finished EV training my Shaymin and put it into Pearl. I started playing, and thus far have used only Shaymin since I got it in there, which was right after the first badge, and am kicking ***. I fully intend to go through the Elite Four with Shaymin alone and I will take a picture and post it here when I do. I'll show you that Shaymin is capable of awesomeness. I could theoretically do it on Diamond now, but it needs training up first and I want to play through Pearl anyways.

 

[Darkslash]

Maybe because we have like A **** load of Legendaries in 4th Gen?

 

[Firus]

Maybe because we have like A **** load of Legendaries in 4th Gen?

But I don't hear anyone complaining about the water blob, Manaphy, or the wad of crescents, Cresselia. At least Shaymin has cuteness going for it.

You will never stop me from thinking that Shaymin is awesome, by the way.

 

[Bowser King]

But I don't hear anyone complaining about the water blob, Manaphy, or the wad of crescents, Cresselia. At least Shaymin has cuteness going for it.

You will never stop me from thinking that Shaymin is awesome, by the way.

We know that

Manphy is the "cute" pokemon or "small" pokemon we get each gen. They include.. mew,celebii, jirachi and manphy. They each have something special about them and are each "special" in some way. Shaymin isnt one of the 4.

I dont hate shaymin, im just not a fan of it. I just prefer sky forme a lot more.

 

[Ilex]

We know that

Manphy is the "cute" pokemon or "small" pokemon we get each gen. They include.. mew,celebii, jirachi and manphy. They each have something special about them and are each "special" in some way. Shaymin isnt one of the 4.

I dont hate shaymin, im just not a fan of it. I just prefer sky forme a lot more.

It's arguable who Mew's 4th gen successor is, but I prefer Shaymin to Manaphy. All of the Mew successors have been the last or second last in their Pokedex, and Shaymin also is. And Celebi doesn't have anything special about it either, so Shaymin isn't too 'ordinary'.

What makes it legendary, honestly?

-Exclusive event
-Exclusive location to catch it
- Base stats are all 100
- Comes AFTER the mainstream legendary Pokemon in the pokedex; that's proof right there
- Cannot breed
-Exclusive uber attack

 

[Firus]

It had to be done.

 

[Bowser King]

It had to be done.

lololololololololololol

but seriously that's creepy and funny.


Just thought of something. What if there was a cut scene between the transformation of the new formes and the old formes. That would be cool.

 

[Wrath`]

It had to be done.

Thats one heck of a super move, wowz

 

[Darkslash]

Okay all Manaphy did was just float around May in the Movie. And I think it was thinking nasty thoughts don't ask me. My mind during summer is when its at its sickest

 

[Firus]

Okay all Manaphy did was just float around May in the Movie. And I think it was thinking nasty thoughts don't ask me. My mind during summer is when its at its sickest

Yeah, exactly. Doesn't matter what it was thinking, it was useless. And the only way thus far of getting it (if I'm not mistaken--I got it in a trade) is through one of the Pokemon spinoffs--enough said.

I'm convinced that's a marketing ploy so someone would actually buy one of those pieces of crap.

 

[Bowser King]

Manphy does hhave heart swap or whatever it's called.

Still I hate manphy more then shaymin (who I DONT hate, just dislike).

 

[zrky]

I think Manaphy is the 4th gen. mew. Or it could be both Manaphy and Shaymin, but they put so many legendaries, that you practically have to look it up to find out. Jirachi>mew>manaphy>celebi<shaymin

 

[Darkslash]

Well what the heck does Manaphy do any ways? Absolutely nothing. In order to get it you need to have Pokemon ranger, which i totally hate.

 

[Spire]

Jirachi was the first legendary that seemed entirely bogus to me. Celebi was awesome because it was the second Mew-type Pokemon, with Lugia and Ho-oh being the Mewtwo's of 2nd Gen (especially Lugia due to its appearance). Then 3rd Gen came along, and no longer was there a "Mewtwo" of that generation, rather three huge beastly legendaries. The "Mew" and the "Mewtwo" of 3rd Gen are Jirachi and Deoxys respectively, and both came along after Pokemon had died for me, so there was nothing special about them.

Now we're at 4th Gen, and we have a ****load of legendaries. Who's the new Mew, and who's the new Mewtwo? I'm going to have to go with Manaphy due to its fairy-like appearance, similar to Mew, Celebi, and Jirachi. Who's the Mewtwo? That stupid goat - Arceus.

On another note, I strongly associate the Lake Trio with Mew for some reason. Seeing as how the God Pokemon, Arceus, created them, perhaps they created the Mew species since they all share similar traits (and if that be the case, then perhaps they also created the Celebi, Jirachi, and Manaphy species). If so, then perhaps these Pokemon are their interpretations of the ultimate life form.

 

[Wrath`]

Jirachi is kick azz, if anything I find the lake trio just worthless. I mean yes created by arceus, but if I can cathc that in one masterball whoop, they seem like little mews on crack

 

[Firus]

Jirachi was the first legendary that seemed entirely bogus to me. Celebi was awesome because it was the second Mew-type Pokemon, with Lugia and Ho-oh being the Mewtwo's of 2nd Gen (especially Lugia due to its appearance). Then 3rd Gen came along, and no longer was there a "Mewtwo" of that generation, rather three huge beastly legendaries. The "Mew" and the "Mewtwo" of 3rd Gen are Jirachi and Deoxys respectively, and both came along after Pokemon had died for me, so there was nothing special about them.

Now we're at 4th Gen, and we have a ****load of legendaries. Who's the new Mew, and who's the new Mewtwo? I'm going to have to go with Manaphy due to its fairy-like appearance, similar to Mew, Celebi, and Jirachi. Who's the Mewtwo? That stupid goat - Arceus.

On another note, I strongly associate the Lake Trio with Mew for some reason. Seeing as how the God Pokemon, Arceus, created them, perhaps they created the Mew species since they all share similar traits (and if that be the case, then perhaps they also created the Celebi, Jirachi, and Manaphy species). If so, then perhaps these Pokemon are their interpretations of the ultimate life form.

What really bugs me about the legendaries in the games is that it seems like ever since 3rd gen, they've been trying to top the previous generation's legendaries. Deoxys, while cool, is another DNA Pokemon, so it seems like it's trying to top Mewtwo. Kyogre and Groudon are supposed to be these amazingly powerful Pokemon that originally created the water and land, and now they've created two more all-powerful deities, Dialga and Palkia, who control time and space. Entei was supposed to be controlling volcanoes, and now...Heatran is some guardian of the volcanoes (now that I think of it, I'm pretty sure he does have something to do with volcanoes)? Cresselia is this ultimate healing Pokemon, but what about Mew and Jirachi, who supposedly have all of this power and happiness? Mew was thought to be the ultimate Pokemon (and still is--it can learn every TM and HM, and is the only Pokemon that can), the first one ever. But now we have the god? Wouldn't that have to be first? And it may have the highest stats, but if it CREATED the world, shouldn't it be able to learn every move? It could make even more use of that since it has plates and could easily turn any of them into STAB moves. They need to STOP trying to top them. Unfortunately, I think the only way that's happening is if they stop creating legendaries, which would never happen.

 

[Spire]

What really bugs me about the legendaries in the games is that it seems like ever since 3rd gen, they've been trying to top the previous generation's legendaries. Deoxys, while cool, is another DNA Pokemon, so it seems like it's trying to top Mewtwo. Kyogre and Groudon are supposed to be these amazingly powerful Pokemon that originally created the water and land, and now they've created two more all-powerful deities, Dialga and Palkia, who control time and space. Entei was supposed to be controlling volcanoes, and now...Heatran is some guardian of the volcanoes (now that I think of it, I'm pretty sure he does have something to do with volcanoes)? Cresselia is this ultimate healing Pokemon, but what about Mew and Jirachi, who supposedly have all of this power and happiness? Mew was thought to be the ultimate Pokemon (and still is--it can learn every TM and HM, and is the only Pokemon that can), the first one ever. But now we have the god? Wouldn't that have to be first? And it may have the highest stats, but if it CREATED the world, shouldn't it be able to learn every move? It could make even more use of that since it has plates and could easily turn any of them into STAB moves. They need to STOP trying to top them. Unfortunately, I think the only way that's happening is if they stop creating legendaries, which would never happen.

Yeah, I know what ya mean. Heatran, firstly, reminds me of something out of Zelda (Dongorongo is one reference) and in no way feels like a Pokemon. I'm one of the few who has nothing against him, in fact, I actually like Heatran - and maybe that's because it feels like a Zelda enemy to me. Aside from that, they really do need to stop making Legendaries. Because the Pokemon games have become so strongly based on the Legendaries, where they serve as an anchor for each version, the series could not continue without them. Sadly, they've come to the point where they made a "God" Pokemon, along with its demi-God creations. It's just way too much.

The great thing about the first generation legendaries was that they were not anchored to some divine power. Articuno, Zapdos, and Moltres were merely really rare birds that represented three powerful elements, but in no way would the entire Earth (or universe for that matter) be destroyed if they were. Mewtwo was a Frankenstein's monster type of Pokemon, which gives it the most interesting background, and Mew was its host. We know from the anime that there's more than one Mew and that they are just extremely rare Pokemon. Mewtwo's a one-of-a-kind, but the other four legendaries from 1st Gen are not. Now, the second generation sported equally as great of legendaries. The legendary beast trio, Suicune, Raikou, and Entei are also not one-of-a-kind Pokemon, but are just extremely rare, which makes them Legendary. Ho-oh and Lugia fall in the same category, but by legend, are said to represent dawn and dusk. This brings me to my next point...

Who's to say that these oh-so-uber legendary Pokemon like Kyogre, Groudon, Rayquaza, Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, and Arceus are actually bound to the legends that precede them? Think about it. A Pokemon is a legend for a reason, but a legend is a tale, and we all know that tales are usually full of metaphors, if not a big metaphor itself. Arceus may be named the God Pokemon due to its power and ability, but who's to say that it is actually the "God" of all Pokemon? Also, what proof is there that it created Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, and the Lake Trio? It's all in legends; fables; mythology. Arceus can be defeated by practically any Pokemon, yes? Then it is not a God. It is a Pokemon like every other. Legendary Pokemon are legendary because of their rarity and because of the legends that people create for them. Pokemon themselves do not distill the history of themselves and their species to people; these myths are created from observation and imagination. If Arceus was created at the beginning of the Universe and so were Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina, how would humans actually know that? They wouldn't. You could take a gun, put it to Arceus' head, and kill it. That's not a God.

So, to sum all of this up, Pokemon are not inevitably powerful. They are Pokemon like all others. Legends are created for these Pokemon as a means of shaping myths, and through the imagination, trying to understand their purpose, when all that it boils down to is that their purpose is to exist and this goes for all Pokemon - to balance the elements of the world.

 

[Bowser King]

Yeah, I know what ya mean. Heatran, firstly, reminds me of something out of Zelda (Dongorongo is one reference) and in no way feels like a Pokemon. I'm one of the few who has nothing against him, in fact, I actually like Heatran - and maybe that's because it feels like a Zelda enemy to me. Aside from that, they really do need to stop making Legendaries. Because the Pokemon games have become so strongly based on the Legendaries, where they serve as an anchor for each version, the series could not continue without them. Sadly, they've come to the point where they made a "God" Pokemon, along with its demi-God creations. It's just way too much.

The great thing about the first generation legendaries was that they were not anchored to some divine power. Articuno, Zapdos, and Moltres were merely really rare birds that represented three powerful elements, but in no way would the entire Earth (or universe for that matter) be destroyed if they were. Mewtwo was a Frankenstein's monster type of Pokemon, which gives it the most interesting background, and Mew was its host. We know from the anime that there's more than one Mew and that they are just extremely rare Pokemon. Mewtwo's a one-of-a-kind, but the other four legendaries from 1st Gen are not. Now, the second generation sported equally as great of legendaries. The legendary beast trio, Suicune, Raikou, and Entei are also not one-of-a-kind Pokemon, but are just extremely rare, which makes them Legendary. Ho-oh and Lugia fall in the same category, but by legend, are said to represent dawn and dusk. This brings me to my next point...

Who's to say that these oh-so-uber legendary Pokemon like Kyogre, Groudon, Rayquaza, Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, and Arceus are actually bound to the legends that precede them? Think about it. A Pokemon is a legend for a reason, but a legend is a tale, and we all know that tales are usually full of metaphors, if not a big metaphor itself. Arceus may be named the God Pokemon due to its power and ability, but who's to say that it is actually the "God" of all Pokemon? Also, what proof is there that it created Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, and the Lake Trio? It's all in legends; fables; mythology. Arceus can be defeated by practically any Pokemon, yes? Then it is not a God. It is a Pokemon like every other. Legendary Pokemon are legendary because of their rarity and because of the legends that people create for them. Pokemon themselves do not distill the history of themselves and their species to people; these myths are created from observation and imagination. If Arceus was created at the beginning of the Universe and so were Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina, how would humans actually know that? They wouldn't. You could take a gun, put it to Arceus' head, and kill it. That's not a God.

So, to sum all of this up, Pokemon are not inevitably powerful. They are Pokemon like all others. Legends are created for these Pokemon as a means of shaping myths, and through the imagination, trying to understand their purpose, when all that it boils down to is that their purpose is to exist and this goes for all Pokemon - to balance the elements of the world.

Exactly what I was thinking. How do we know all the stories of these legendaries are true? The only thing I can think against it is that "how do we know all the religeons of the world are true/false". Though I still dont understand how they can say it created the universe, time, space ect.

 

[Ilex]

The only reason there are so many legendaries now is because Nintendo is trying to milk in the cash. 10 year old fanboys love legendaries, so the more they reveal, the more fanboys will crave them. It also means more events and more games needed to buy to get all the so craved legendaries, which means more cash. It's quite sad actually that more legendaries are being made simply because they help bring in the money. Let's just assume that Mew got two successors this time instead of one. The only reason for this is because Nintendo thinks 'The more, the merrier'. I hate it because it has degraded the status of legendaries to just above fossil Pokemon. There was no purpose in adding Latios, Latias, Deoxys, Heatran, Cresselia, Shaymin, Fione, Darkrai, Regigigas, or even Giratina. It would be better if there was a trio, a pair for each gen, a final guy and a cutesy one. That's all there ever needs to be.

 

[Spire]

The only reason there are so many legendaries now is because Nintendo is trying to milk in the cash. 10 year old fanboys love legendaries, so the more they reveal, the more fanboys will crave them. It also means more events and more games needed to buy to get all the so craved legendaries, which means more cash. It's quite sad actually that more legendaries are being made simply because they help bring in cash. Let's just assume that Mew got two successors this time instead of one. The only reason for this is because Nintendo thinks 'The more, the merrier'. I hate it because it has degraded the status of legendaries to just above fossil Pokemon. There was no purpose in adding Latios, Latias, Deoxys, Heatran, Cresselia, Shaymin, Fione, Darkrai, Regigigas, or even Giratina. It would be better if there was a trio, a pair for each gen, a final guy and a cutesy one. That's all there ever needs to be.

I couldn't agree more. The legendaries no longer feel special at all. Remember how it felt to catch any of the Legendary birds from 1st Gen, let alone Mewtwo? It felt extremely successful, special, and downright epic - and the great thing about those legendaries is that they actually fit in with the games. Now, legendaries are novelties and are completely disparate from the rest of Pokemon, and even the games themselves. Dialga and Palkia will forever remain as box-art status in my book, nothing more.

I would love a game that just has "Pokemon", not "Pokemon" and "Legendary Pokemon", but where the Legendaries are rather extremely rare Pokemon that appear only on special occasions (not events, because those ruin the game). I would never go to a Pokemon event because I feel it is immoral, even if they were giving away the greatest Pokemon ever. I feel that if you buy the game, you should have access to every single Pokemon in that game from the moment you buy it, without having to participate in special, perhaps impossible events to obtain Pokemon. It ruins the fun and natural feel of the game. It's kind of like the idea of DLC and expansions, despite that it adds new content, it will always feel extraneous and whenever you see it, you'll feel that, "oh yeah, I remember when I downloaded that after I had adapted to the overall feel of the game itself." It corrupts the natural cohesiveness of the game.

I purposely did not attend the recent events for Darkrai and Deoxys obtainment because I do not believe in doing so. Sadly, that is the direction that the Pokemon world is headed in. I would rather use Action Replay than attend an event. You'll always remember receiving the exact same Pokemon as every other person who goes to these events, whereas if the Pokemon were readily available in the game, it would be much more personal, and that's what I feel is necessary in video games.

 

[zrky]

The only legendaries I felt accomplidhe of in 3rd and 4th gen. were Rayquaza, Kyogre, the original three regis, Giratina. but Ilex could not have put the reason for more legendaries any better. But Spire your right the 1st gen. legendaries gave more of a feeling of accomplishment (rayquaza). If they lower the legendary number, then the legendaries will be cool again, instead of cheap change you pick up on the street. It almost feel like scyther is more of an accomplishment to catch than cressilia.

 

[Spire]

The only legendaries I felt accomplidhe of in 3rd and 4th gen. were Rayquaza, Kyogre, the original three regis, Giratina. but Ilex could not have put the reason for more legendaries any better. But Spire your right the 1st gen. legendaries gave more of a feeling of accomplishment (rayquaza). If they lower the legendary number, then the legendaries will be cool again, instead of cheap change you pick up on the street. It almost feel like scyther is more of an accomplishment to catch than cressilia.

That's because Scyther is far more badass than Cresselia could ever be. I'm personally a Pinsir fan (I was a blue player, not red), but I wouldn't have one without the other. I was always disappointed with Heracross not being an evolution of Pinsir, while its counterpart Scizor was an evolution of Scyther. That has always confused me as to why they cut that decision as the two are obviously related to one another.

 

[Bowser King]

I couldn't agree more. The legendaries no longer feel special at all. Remember how it felt to catch any of the Legendary birds from 1st Gen, let alone Mewtwo? It felt extremely successful, special, and downright epic - and the great thing about those legendaries is that they actually fit in with the games. Now, legendaries are novelties and are completely disparate from the rest of Pokemon, and even the games themselves. Dialga and Palkia will forever remain as box-art status in my book, nothing more.



So true. I remember catching articuno (which actually had you sort of think at that time. I would never have thought that you would have to stop the water flow. Then when I reached him/her/it, I stood there. For atleast 4-5 min I was like dancing but exciting to. Now I go into some cave catch then go on my way...


I would love a game that just has "Pokemon", not "Pokemon" and "Legendary Pokemon", but where the Legendaries are rather extremely rare Pokemon that appear only on special occasions (not events, because those ruin the game). I would never go to a Pokemon event because I feel it is immoral, even if they were giving away the greatest Pokemon ever. I feel that if you buy the game, you should have access to every single Pokemon in that game from the moment you buy it, without having to participate in special, perhaps impossible events to obtain Pokemon. It ruins the fun and natural feel of the game. It's kind of like the idea of DLC and expansions, despite that it adds new content, it will always feel extraneous and whenever you see it, you'll feel that, "oh yeah, I remember when I downloaded that after I had adapted to the overall feel of the game itself." It corrupts the natural cohesiveness of the game.

Agreed. Has anyone here caught a celebii or jirachi legitimately. There almost impossible to get in D/P without cheating or going to an event.

I would keep the legendaries but make it so that few epic legendaries and that when you get to them you get the feeling of a legend (no more caves or rooftops!!( as in spear pillar, why rooftops, It's for you to find out

I purposely did not attend the recent events for Darkrai and Deoxys obtainment because I do not believe in doing so. Sadly, that is the direction that the Pokemon world is headed in. I would rather use Action Replay than attend an event. You'll always remember receiving the exact same Pokemon as every other person who goes to these events, whereas if the Pokemon were readily available in the game, it would be much more personal, and that's what I feel is necessary in video games.

If I wanted the almos darkai I would pokesav it. I really wouldn't go there. As awsome as it would be to have one knowing roar of time and special rend. Even though AR ruins it atleast you get a bit of feel that your still in game and not having a pokemon randomly zapped in.

 

[Firus]

The only reason there are so many legendaries now is because Nintendo is trying to milk in the cash. 10 year old fanboys love legendaries, so the more they reveal, the more fanboys will crave them. It also means more events and more games needed to buy to get all the so craved legendaries, which means more cash. It's quite sad actually that more legendaries are being made simply because they help bring in cash. Let's just assume that Mew got two successors this time instead of one. The only reason for this is because Nintendo thinks 'The more, the merrier'. I hate it because it has degraded the status of legendaries to just above fossil Pokemon. There was no purpose in adding Latios, Latias, Deoxys, Heatran, Cresselia, Shaymin, Fione, Darkrai, Regigigas, or even Giratina. It would be better if there was a trio, a pair for each gen, a final guy and a cutesy one. That's all there ever needs to be.

Yeah. I am SO SICK of Nintendo screwing us over because they want more money. The Wii and DS are general examples, and stuff like this only adds to it. They want the 10 year-olds to be happy, but the people who've been playing the game for 10 years now mean nothing to them. We're just supposed to adjust. The 10 year-olds can't even appreciate the games, with no knowledge of EVs, IVs, and other such things. They wouldn't even use a legendary just because it has good stats, they'd use it just because it looks "cool". I don't even like to use legendaries at all because they feel so cheap. Yet we're bombarded with them. There are almost as many legendaries as there are FIRE TYPES!

In my opinion, there should be, if they have to have legendaries, one or two big ones. The rest should be rare Pokemon. Shaymin would be better off as a mere rare Pokemon. It'd work fine that way. It's not useless, but it just doesn't seem legendary. I love it, but it's not really legendary at all.

"The more, the merrier" has become Nintendo's motto. Chris Slate said it when talking about casual games in Nintendo Power, and that's how they're acting with everything. We have to have tons of new. NO. The more, the more money for them. The more, the less enjoyment for us. It's so annoying. I'm sick of them trying to tell us that as long as it's a video game, we should be happy.

I purposely did not attend the recent events for Darkrai and Deoxys obtainment because I do not believe in doing so. Sadly, that is the direction that the Pokemon world is headed in. I would rather use Action Replay than attend an event. You'll always remember receiving the exact same Pokemon as every other person who goes to these events, whereas if the Pokemon were readily available in the game, it would be much more personal, and that's what I feel is necessary in video games.

You're right. They don't even let you CATCH the Pokemon. Deoxys is understandable, but Darkrai is there, in-game. What was the point of that? To trick people?

I attended the events for both, because it feels nice to finally have a legitimate event Pokemon. As long as it's not costing me money, I probably will keep attending them (excluding gas money, but that's not going to Nintendo). By god, if they make me reserve a ticket to or even ATTEND a movie to get a Pokemon they can forget it. I've got Shaymin and Arceus, and I'm very pleased with the Shaymin I have. Arceus I haven't touched. It's not even a likeable Pokemon. As much as Shaymin isn't much of a legendary, it's the only likeable legendary of fourth gen, in my opinion. It may be another "event, one-time-chance" Pokemon, but it doesn't feel legendary and in the context of a game, that's almost a good thing. It doesn't feel cheap. It feels like a normal Pokemon. A rare one, but a normal one.

It almost feel like scyther is more of an accomplishment to catch than cressilia.

You're right. Aside from the fact that you want to throw Cresselia's Pokeball into a river once you catch it, you're right. A really rare, normal Pokemon is better than a legendary because they're RIGHT THERE. They're easy to find. Shiny Pokemon are better than legendaries because they're so rare. The legendaries past second gen (minus a few of third gen) were so easy to find. Mewtwo involved a whole dungeon, which was off-limits before the Elite Four. Articuno involved intricate puzzles to find it. Zapdos involved a long journey through the Power Plant to find. Moltres was off to the side of Victory Road. Lugia involved one of the largest and most intricate caves in the entire Pokemon series. Ho-Oh involved an intricate tower which required thought. And both of these required hard work to have appear in those places (the Rainbow/Silver (I think that's what it was called) wings were required). Entei, Suicune, and Raikou were right there in the Burned Tower, but once you released them, it took forever to find them. Maybe it's just the Marking Map, but I swear Mesprit and Cresselia were much too easy to find. I found both the day I released them. You get the point. Early legendaries felt...legendary. Newer ones feel crammed in as much as Nosepass and Luvdisc.

Also, I have a theory that I just thought of...I wonder if they're making more legendaries on purpose so they can make more movies? It's a little out there, but think about it; they only managed to squeeze 1 1/2 movies (the legendary birds were half of the second movie, Lugia was the other) out of first gen, and 2 1/2 (I believe, I don't remember what the 5th movie is) out of second gen. But they got like, 4 out of third gen and have 3 for fourth thus far.

The little kid thing still stands, but I wonder if that's a deciding fact as well? And then the event legendaries are given out at the movies so you're forced to spend money on them.

 

[zrky]

Firus you rant allot, but in a very good and inteligent way. Rayquaza also involved a tower that required good timing and movement, but not much.

Your movie and legendary connection makes perfect sense to me. I really seem like it, and sadly their making a movie about Regigigas

Stupid little kids ruin it for us,even if we were little at some point, we grew up with pokemon, so we know what it's about and how it all started

 

[Wrath`]

The ledgendaries of the second gen were the best ones, the moment you encounter any of the 3 dogs in crystal and you here that special music(only in C did they do that) you are like OMFG whats this and then its like OH HELLZ YES, good times, also I liked the puzzle at tin tower to get ho-oh and the cave exploration and the epic looking area you can find lugia at, that is the best ledgendary implements. and yes to CATCHING BOTH mascots in one game.


The best they could do for me in the 5th gen is to give me a MASSIVE amount of hidden areas and little place a person with would like to explore, I just like traveling around and finding a cool new area, also give me some killer travel music, in the 2nd gen it was good, 3rd was ok and 4th had realy good tunes to travel and realy bad ones.

 

[SkylerOcon]

Hm...

Well, since we love to rant about how easy it is to catch legendaries, lets draw up some schematics on dungeons. If they're good Spire could post them in the 5th gen thread and maybe Nintendo would see them.

 

[Spire]

We should move this discussion to the 5th Gen thread, seeing as how this has nothing to do with Platinum.

 

[Firus]

Firus you rant allot, but in a very good and inteligent way. Rayquaza also involved a tower that required good timing and movement, but not much.

Your movie and legendary connection makes perfect sense to me. I really seem like it, and sadly their making a movie about Regigigas

Stupid little kids ruin it for us,even if we were little at some point, we grew up with pokemon, so we know what it's about and how it all started

Haha, thanks. You're right, I'm always ranting. You get me started on anything I feel passionately about on video games (which is 90% of things about video games), and I can go on for the rest of my life about it.

Yeah, the little kids now are just...ugh. Screw them. They'll probably never in a million years even touch Red/Blue, and as such, they don't deserve to get any special treatment. You HAVE to play Red/Blue. Which is why I'm horribly offended that TETRIS DX beat Red/Blue in Nintendo Power's list of the top 20 best games for each system. Link's Awakening DX also beat it, but the fact that Tetris got first just irks me to no end. I own the game, and it's fun, but it's not that fun.

Spoiler

Bet you anything they gave it first place because it's another one of their "titles for everyone", as they explained in the description.

The ledgendaries of the second gen were the best ones, the moment you encounter any of the 3 dogs in crystal and you here that special music(only in C did they do that) you are like OMFG whats this and then its like OH HELLZ YES, good times, also I liked the puzzle at tin tower to get ho-oh and the cave exploration and the epic looking area you can find lugia at, that is the best ledgendary implements. and yes to CATCHING BOTH mascots in one game.

Yeah, catching both in one game was great. Silver is the only Pokemon game (of the real games) that I don't own other than Fire Red, but that's not because it was useless because I could get Lugia. It was because I just...never got around to it. And considering my experience with purchasing Crystal, I'm not inclined to try to buy Silver now so I can have a dead internal battery again.
P.S., did anyone else think that Lugia's Gold sprite looked a lot more epic than Silver's?

The best they could do for me in the 5th gen is to give me a MASSIVE amount of hidden areas and little place a person with would like to explore, I just like traveling around and finding a cool new area, also give me some killer travel music, in the 2nd gen it was good, 3rd was ok and 4th had realy good tunes to travel and realy bad ones.

Oh, I want some really good music. First + second gen had some great music, especially for routes. Third gen had some pretty good ones as well. Fourth's tunes were bland. The only good music was...well, just about the songs that made it into Brawl. The rest were just boring.

Hm...

Well, since we love to rant about how easy it is to catch legendaries, lets draw up some schematics on dungeons. If they're good Spire could post them in the 5th gen thread and maybe Nintendo would see them.

I'd like to get it on that as well. I've always loved level design.

Also, I TOLD YOU I'd do it. I actually pulled it off! From right after the first badge on, I used Shaymin and only Shaymin and beat the Elite Four with Shaymin alone! Yeah!
Final condition of Shaymin (at least for now):

Level: 80
Nature: Naughty
Stats: HP: 263
Attack: 206
Defense: 181
Special Attack: 234
Special Defense: 157
Speed: 215
Ability: Natural Cure
Moveset (used from the very beginning): Psychic (used one PP Up on this)
Magical Leaf
Energy Ball
Synthesis
EVs: 255 Special Atack, 255 Speed (I know the extra three do nothing since there's no fourth, but I miscounted the EVs it had collected and filled them up earlier than I expected)
Final Play Time: 20:55

Shaymin rules. Especially my Shaymin.

 

[Spire]

Nature: Naughty

Wouldn't expect that from a Shaymin.


I like yours.

 

[Firus]

Wouldn't expect that from a Shaymin.


I like yours.

Haha, yeah.
Competitively speaking, Naughty wasn't the best nature for Shaymin the way I wanted to use it, but I forgot to save before I caught it and I had just traveled across the entire Sinnoh map usin Walk Through Walls (from Jubilife to the Seabreak Path, which is at the very top right of the map) and was trying to avoid running into any Pokemon or entering any towns or cities (meaning I had to be in the "Mystery Zone", aka outside the actual map, when around cities) so even though I was getting Shaymin theoretically non-legitimately, I was still not screwing with anything else too badly.

And yeah, isn't mine just awesome?

Oh yeah, you'll love this--I got the National Dex specifically so I could release Cresselia, track it down, and do an OHKO on it with Shaymin. And I did get an OHKO.

I also decided to kill every other legendary. I figured I could use the experience. So yeah, I brought down Palkia, Azelf, and Uxie (I tried tracking down Mesprit but it got annoying trying to find it so I gave up). Two hits for Palkia and Uxie, only one for Azelf. I should go take on Arceus now, come to think of it...teach that god goat who's boss.

 

[Spire]

I should go take on Arceus now, come to think of it...teach that god goat who's boss.

Novi God (Goat)

That's what I think of Arceus. Burn that goat.

 

[zrky]

Haha, yeah.
Competitively speaking, Naughty wasn't the best nature for Shaymin the way I wanted to use it, but I forgot to save before I caught it and I had just traveled across the entire Sinnoh map usin Walk Through Walls (from Jubilife to the Seabreak Path, which is at the very top right of the map) and was trying to avoid running into any Pokemon or entering any towns or cities (meaning I had to be in the "Mystery Zone", aka outside the actual map, when around cities) so even though I was getting Shaymin theoretically non-legitimately, I was still not screwing with anything else too badly.

And yeah, isn't mine just awesome?

Oh yeah, you'll love this--I got the National Dex specifically so I could release Cresselia, track it down, and do an OHKO on it with Shaymin. And I did get an OHKO.

I also decided to kill every other legendary. I figured I could use the experience. So yeah, I brought down Palkia, Azelf, and Uxie (I tried tracking down Mesprit but it got annoying trying to find it so I gave up). Two hits for Palkia and Uxie, only one for Azelf. I should go take on Arceus now, come to think of it...teach that god goat who's boss.

I did the same to get my shaymin in Pearl(I prefer to leave my Diamond intact from gamesharks or AR), but I think it's acctually legitamet since you didn't get it automatically, you got it where you were supposed to, but thats my opinion.
Quick question, do you know how to load more codes onto the AR. Im asking because I tied it, but instead it deleted everything and it says the memory is full WTF!