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Smash Hero
germ got 25th as Link
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1. lolgimpyfish & loldjnintendo
2. lolkamaster several years ago when luigi was considered low tier. lolbum & lolpkm when DK was considered low tier. lolaxe. lolgerm at genesis. lol djn & pkm.
Wikipedia
Smash Lord
lo l?
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Gotem City Vigilante
Lol @ Victra.
Everyone be on the lookout for The Cape's Bowser once he shakes the rust off.
Everyone be on the lookout for The Cape's Bowser once he shakes the rust off.
x After Dawn x
Smash Master
There's actually perfectly logical explanations for almost all of those, the main reason being people being inexperienced and / or unknowledgeable of their matchups.
Not that it even matters because none of those players have placed well in tournaments with good players in today's metagame.
HT F8
Hostile Takeover
Did you miss this part of Victra's post? If not, explain please?
Scidadle
Smash Champion
I darrrrrrrre you to play DJnintendo's booser and then talk...
x After Dawn x
Smash Master
Germ placed well, not gonna lie. Maybe he had an easy bracket, maybe he didn't, it doesn't really matter though because assuming that he's 25th best in the world just because he placed 25th would be an ignorant assumption. Didn't Germ get 4-stocked by Mango when they played at an SCSA event recently this year...? Or maybe that was another player like Zhu or Lucky or something? I'm not really surprised.
And if you're talking about that set that Axe won against Jman, Jman has already stated multiple times that he lost his controller at Genesis and he had to use other controllers from other people. And when you main Fox (and you're arguably one of the top 10 players in the nation so you're very sensitive to your controller) it makes a massive difference. Any good Fox main will know that.
Also, DJ Nintendo...lol...I haven't seen him actually beat anybody who's actually good, I've only seen him go double Bowser in Doubles and own some scrubs up who don't even know how to play the game properly. >_>
KAOSTAR
the Ascended One
Real talk tho, matchups are very important. A better player can lose to a worse one because of matchup knowledge(1 of the adv of low tiers, the other is u get jocked harder lol).
But just the same a better player using a low tier can win simple by being better, smash knowledge. Playing a better game, ie better spacing better decisions.
What generally makes a low tier a worse character is simply because they have less options overall. Low tiers often have fewer approaches, lower priority moves, or lack in speed or power.
High tiers just have the ability to be less predictable. Of course all of this is indicative to playstyles but the high tier characters seem to have many more visual differences.
Why can fox and falco be played well by being campy and aggressive or anything in between..
Any player can lose to any player with the right circumstances. Just overall, playing a higher tier character you have a higher % of not being disadvantaged when entering a fight.
Also, I saw dj nintendo beat a few good players at genesis. They werent all known players but they werent scrubs. Somehow that dude wrecks samus players.
But just the same a better player using a low tier can win simple by being better, smash knowledge. Playing a better game, ie better spacing better decisions.
What generally makes a low tier a worse character is simply because they have less options overall. Low tiers often have fewer approaches, lower priority moves, or lack in speed or power.
High tiers just have the ability to be less predictable. Of course all of this is indicative to playstyles but the high tier characters seem to have many more visual differences.
Why can fox and falco be played well by being campy and aggressive or anything in between..
Any player can lose to any player with the right circumstances. Just overall, playing a higher tier character you have a higher % of not being disadvantaged when entering a fight.
Also, I saw dj nintendo beat a few good players at genesis. They werent all known players but they werent scrubs. Somehow that dude wrecks samus players.
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Gotem City Vigilante
The Jman/Axe thing is still getting mentioned? Look I know he beat Axe with Shiz's controller in a mm afterward but having the wrong controller doesn't cause you to up-B in places that make you extremely vulnerable to textbook pikachu gimps. Lets be real.
Edit: Matchup Knowledge is beyond important.
Edit: Matchup Knowledge is beyond important.
otg
Smash Master
You have officially lost any credibility you have.
Dark Hart
Rejected by Azua
One of the reasons M2K starting maining Marth after MLG Vegas was because his controller had broken or something and his new one wasn't a good Fox controller. He also said it was part of the reason he didn't beat Ken at MLG Vegas but that's just johns imo. All of that being said, I can play with most controllers to a certain extent, but I'm most comfortable with mine because my hands are used to it.
Just saying, using your own controller can matter if you're really picky, or just main Fox.
Just saying, using your own controller can matter if you're really picky, or just main Fox.
KAOSTAR
the Ascended One
Yea, It seems afterdawn is always on the defensive cuz hes talking out of his ***.
dude when I take a break from smash I get better, soooo.... take a break from posting.
catch my drift?
dude when I take a break from smash I get better, soooo.... take a break from posting.
catch my drift?
otg
Smash Master
*blows brains out*
x After Dawn x
Smash Master
I've never said that before, unless maybe I was trolling.
Also one of the main reasons why M2K switched to Marth is because he believes Fox is too hard to play consistently.
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Guest
DJN is amazing. If you think otherwise, stop posting in this thread.
Scidadle
Smash Champion
This.
DJN will **** 95% of smashers with his bowser
I know, I've played it and I've been ***** by it
He spent the night at my house the other weekend with a few others and his whole arsenal of chars is insane. He knows all the match ups soooo well
'V'
Smash Lord
That's what happens when you play for such a long time.
x After Dawn x
Smash Master
Most low tier mains (that are actually good) know their matchups well for obvious reasons.
TheZhuKeeper
Smash Champion
Yeah but I'm sure if he had his controller, the difference would've been much greater (in his favor) than the difference between one or two bad recoveries. Honestly top tiers don't need to low tier matchups for the most part, especially someone like Jman. I'm sure he could play most of the best low tier mains, wing it, and still do **** (if he had his controller / wasn't demoralized). That's why Fox is top tier.
x After Dawn x
Smash Master
lol you are amazing, I love how he didn't get that post.yeah, and now i get. thanks
lol. yeah, i remember now that in some video games, you were ranked on how well you played in a game. for example, the world ends with you. they had grades at the end of a battle. i just went dumbfounded for a minute.
Divinokage
Smash Legend
I forget which games would have that.. but it's not really how well you do, it's how well the character does vs other characters.lol. yeah, i remember now that in some video games, you were ranked on how well you played in a game. for example, the world ends with you. they had grades at the end of a battle. i just went dumbfounded for a minute.
ohhhhhh....i thought it was.. ohh well, i got it now.
Blatt Blvd
Smash Ace
is this kage on another account?? LOL
also, controller johns are like the only legit john i listen to when i play kids who actually john.
choknater
Smash Obsessed
yeah sigh i hate having controller johns its so preventable
its so preventable
VGmasta
Smash Lord
Too bad none of them will pass Dr Mario on the Melee tier list. Samus and Ganondorf get cape ***** too often! Hee hee!
HT F8
Hostile Takeover
MiddleToo bad none of them will pass Dr Mario on the Melee tier list. Samus and Ganondorf get cape ***** too often! Hee hee!
Samus 6.77
Dr. Mario 6.23
Uhhh fail?
Divinokage
Smash Legend
No, it's not.. why would I talk to myself on a forum? Assumptions are never good.
KAOSTAR
the Ascended One
Its like he didnt even try to win lol
x After Dawn x
Smash Master
Kage, I'm surprised you don't remember who he is lol.
totally agree....melee will never die!!!!!!!!!
i disagree, peach and IC can easaly beat the crap out of gano, jigs may have problems obviously xD but still can do her tricks...and samus? are you kidding me? samus >>>>>> ganon, by far way far, samus has missiles =) not to mention everything she's got xD....ganon hits hard i know, but still, nothing a good spacing can't do =)
Divinokage
Smash Legend
Who? What, now?
choknater
Smash Obsessed
ganon obliterates ic ima pick falco next time i have to play ganon in tourny
i have never failed with that
i dont know why i still wanna fight with ic's -_- ugh it's always an uphill battle
ima pick falco next time i have to play ganon in tournyi have never failed with that
i dont know why i still wanna fight with ic's -_- ugh it's always an uphill battle
Divinokage
Smash Legend
lol I guess you experienced the warrior =Pganon obliterates ic
i have never failed with that
i dont know why i still wanna fight with ic's -_- ugh it's always an uphill battle
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