dettadeus
Smash Lord
Is there a list of percents that each character can crouch cancel until? Just curious.
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Fortress | Sveet
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All characters can always crouch cancel. Whether or not its useful depends on the move. You can CC jabs at all practical percents.
Fortress | Sveet
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Pre-counter-trolling
get at me
get at me
_eternal
Smash Apprentice
How is hitstun calculated? Apparently weight has something to do with it?
Fortress | Sveet
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Strongbad could tell you the formula. If you want general terms, its directly related to knockback, which is directly related to percent and the move's knockback/knockback growth and inversely related to character's weight.
In other words, as damage goes up, knockback goes up. As character's weight goes up, knockback goes down. As knockback goes up, hitstun goes up. Specific moves have different growths (and some have constant knockback, thus constant hitstun [specific to that character, but varies by character weight]).
In other words, as damage goes up, knockback goes up. As character's weight goes up, knockback goes down. As knockback goes up, hitstun goes up. Specific moves have different growths (and some have constant knockback, thus constant hitstun [specific to that character, but varies by character weight]).
_eternal
Smash Apprentice
Thanks. Wow, that's confusing. I guess pro players just develop a feel for how long hitstun on their character should be at different percents. I always wonder how people know when to, say, jump/attack out of Falcon's stomp and when to just DI.
Bing
Smash Master
Thanks Sveet, Im glad I read that 
DeadLastClown
Smash Apprentice
Why use Y?
Bing
Smash Master
A lot of Fox/Falco players find it easier to move between the Y and B buttons for waveshines, and other technical actions. They're probably right, I've never really tried...
DeadLastClown
Smash Apprentice
Ah. I'll really have to look into that. I always used X ever since I found out how to short hop. I usually slip my nail off of the x button and can even fox into the perfect Nairplane.
KrIsP!
Smash Champion
Between x and y, really I think the majority use y but it doesn't put you at a disadvantage. People say use whatever is more comfortable for a reason. The real question is using a, c-stick or z for aerials(I'm not asking but that's where there's some real pros and cons...good to know all of them)
Bing
Smash Master
I dont know what the Majority uses in terms of x or y..
Krynxe
I can't pronounce it either
I have always thought the exact same thing LOL
I use X instead of Y for my spacies. even though Y might be easier, I have gotten so use to X that I can't change at this point.
Bing
Smash Master
Im the exact same way 
I use X over Y. My friend Hal uses both. Y for waveshines, X for jumping and wave dashing. I'd get confused, to be honest.
Im Considering forcing myself to learn Y though
I use X over Y. My friend Hal uses both. Y for waveshines, X for jumping and wave dashing. I'd get confused, to be honest. Im Considering forcing myself to learn Y though
I honestly don't think its worth it. I don't think Y is good enough to the point where you should change how you Waveshine or whatever. Whatever is most comfortable is probably whats best. And I am pretty good at all Fox techniques and I use X.Im the exact same way
Im Considering forcing myself to learn Y though
Fortress | Sveet
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Y has benefits over X. For example, you don't accidentally tap A.
Bing
Smash Master
This is actually I huge issue for me when waveshining...
Waveshine-Waveshine-f-tilt
Svetsunov
Smash Apprentice
I'm kind of a noob on stage advantage and all but
What exactly makes Kongo Jungle 64 not worthy of a counterpick? Is it one of those maps where fox ***** everyone?
EDIT: As a bonus noob question, whats the secret to constantly being able to punish roll spammers. I have a friend who does this that im playing against in a tournament/lan party soon.
What exactly makes Kongo Jungle 64 not worthy of a counterpick? Is it one of those maps where fox ***** everyone?
EDIT: As a bonus noob question, whats the secret to constantly being able to punish roll spammers. I have a friend who does this that im playing against in a tournament/lan party soon.
Svetsunov
Smash Apprentice
Sounds like you disagree.
Fortress | Sveet
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To beat roll spamming you have to think of the game in terms of zones and traps instead of just trying to hit your opponent. If he rolls away, move forward just enough. If he rolls towards you, hit him in his lag.
As for Kongo Jungle, it is really easy to time people out there in a way that allows one player to choose to not fight while the other character can't stop it if they tried.
As for Kongo Jungle, it is really easy to time people out there in a way that allows one player to choose to not fight while the other character can't stop it if they tried.
Svetsunov
Smash Apprentice
Thanks for the advice! I'll give it a shot tonight and see how it goes.
Andy Lawliet
Smash Cadet
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Can someone tell me why the top players are that good?
Like if I'm watching Mango (e.g. vs Fuzzyness) I know he's great and everything but I just can't see why he is that good.
For example I just don't get why he's superior to Fuzzy in that particular video. I only see the stuff he does is working but I don't know why and what he thinks about it...
Like if I'm watching Mango (e.g. vs Fuzzyness) I know he's great and everything but I just can't see why he is that good.
For example I just don't get why he's superior to Fuzzy in that particular video. I only see the stuff he does is working but I don't know why and what he thinks about it...
hectohertz
Smash Ace
some mango quotes on playing well
YOU CANT READ ME IF I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M GONNA DO
just like....****
YOU CANT READ ME IF I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M GONNA DO
just like....****
S l o X
Smash Champion
It all stems from one word: motivation.
which leads to the second most important thing: practice.
go forth.
The Star King
Smash Hero
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Multiple reasons. Even the though the improvements in edgeguarding, combos, tech skill, etc. maybe not be hugely obvious, they all add up. If you ask me, what really sets the best apart is their ability to read their opponents ("yomi"), but I know some people would disagree.
KidWithChemicals
Smash Cadet
so i was wondering...what exactly is buffer shielding/buffer grabing. i heard the term and i have a vague idea, but im still not 100% sure.
Jockmaster
Smash Ace
It's the subtle things that lead to huge increases in ability. The ceiling for GENERAL tech skill (aka not Silentwolf nonsense) is actually surprisingly low, shoot I started playing seriously last August and can do ~80% of general tech almost perfectly (can't edge tech at all -_-).
It's more of things like reads and timing. Knowledge of matchups too. People like Mango aren't AMAZINGLY technical but can do whatever it takes to win, be that a perfectly timed ledgehop dair spike with Falco or minute long edgeguard with Peach for the win.
JesiahTEG
Smash Master
Ok REALLY serious however ******** question here. How do you technically meteor cancel? I seriously can't get it, even when getting spiked by meteors at like 0%. it's sad, someone help plox
Jockmaster
Smash Ace
Spam up-b
Fortress | Sveet
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To physically meteor cancel, you simply press upb or jump any time after hitlag ends. Whenever you press upb, a timer is activated so that you cannot meteor cancel for 60 frames. If you try to meteor cancel early, you will fail and be unable to do it again before you die (in most cases). The 60 frame timer is activated every time you upb, even the initial one you use to recover. Because of that, marth has a very hard time meteor canceling and fox has a very easy time.
JesiahTEG
Smash Master
iight, thanks sveet, mad informative.
Bing
Smash Master
Wow Sveet I never knew that... thank you :D
Geenareeno
Smash Lord
Does anyone know the frame data on flaot cancelling? Like when during your aerial and all that.
Fortress | Sveet
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What do you mean?
Geenareeno
Smash Lord
Well i'm assuming that you can't start a fair during your float and land any time during the animation and have zero lag. I meant when during the aerial do you have to land to have no lag when coming out of a float.