All of this scrutiny over ZSS' results is a little irritating, because had say, an Olimar placed first, no one would be giving him **** because he avoided facing DEHF, who is by all rights an "Olimar killer."
First of all, what zmx said. (DEHF has been knocked out of losers by both Nietono and Dabuz.)
Second of all, Olimar has been more relevant for much longer than ZSS. Brood placed 2nd at APEX 2010, and Rich Brown, Logic, and Dabuz have been big name Olimars here. Nietono
dominated Japan for how long? Almost always winning from 2010 to 2012 IIRC, until Rain memorized him. Even after Rain memorized Nietono, Brood started beating him!
So, why would anyone give Olimar as much scrutiny? He's been thought of as "good" by more people for a longer time.
If after several years where people begin to pay attention to ZSS and explore the match up and ZSS (Salem) is still dominating, more people
may consider bumping up ZSS.
Maybe.
That would be more likely to happen if another ZSS showed up with similar results. But, right now, I don't see any. Snake had Ally and Razer. Diddy Kong had ADHD and Gnes. Falco had DEHF, SK92, and Rain. Olimar had Nietono, Brood, Rich Brown, and Dabuz.
Where are the other ZSS?
I mean, what kind of argument is "but no zss is as good as salem" anyway?
The same argument that's put down pikachu for not just
one tournament placing but
for years.
What difference does that even make? Does Otori have to attend hardcore training sessions with Salem every day for a month and win again?
It would make the notion that "ZSS should move up" more appealing. No. But Otori definitely could have known the match up better. It is certainly arguable that Kamemushi isn't a very good of practice in the match up. As I recall, many individuals on the ZSS boards found Kamemushi to be unimpressive.
There's no falco as good as DEHF, do we discount DEHF's wins or say they don't contribute towards Falco's record because until someone plays DEHF, they don't have any eperience?
Masha isn't too far behind. And arguably SLS when he played Falco seriously (although that's difficult to argue with what little results we have of him). But DEHF did state he thought SLS was the most impressive Falco. Rain and SK92 were also not too far behind DEHF during their primes.
No ZSS can hold a candle to Salem.
Nope, the only character these boards consistently say anything like that about is ZSS.
Pikachu. And others I'm sure.
