Official BBR Tier List v7

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Yes, those results give us clear answers that are totally not circumstantial.

 

[Blistering Speed]

Ignore Xonar.

This .

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Yes, those results give us clear answers that are totally not circumstantial.

Calling the plethora of results against your cause 'circumstantial' is exactly the johnning I'm talking about.

I'm sure if Japan can destroy NA majors every time they travel, you guys could have some decent wins over NA players. Some kind of a leg to stand on.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

It's not johning. Your "evidence" is not valid until you prove it to be and proves that it applies to this case in the current time.

 

[Ayce God]

it's not like I didn't ask you a question or anything

 

[Grim Tuesday]

In that case, I'm the best player in the world.

Oh, you think I'm awful? Pfft, this is Neo-Grim Tuesday we are talking about, not crappy Grim Tuesday from yesterday.

 

[Z'zgashi]

Xonar, when has anyone from Europe actually won something that Japan or US attended?

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Nice strawman. Can we ship you back to elementary school now?

@nova: ZSS mainly, but still Falco every so often. whasup

 

[Ayce God]

why is it even a debate between na and eu I'm sure even ramin himself will tell u na is better

@xonar I remember watching I back in the day and I was just wondering if you were still around

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Xonar, when has anyone from Europe actually won something that Japan or US attended?

Do you really want me to repeat myself?

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Agree with Z'z and nova 9.

It isn't a strawman, I was pointing out a double standard you hold that EU results only count when you want them too, but everyone else has to obey logical criteria to determine whether they are good or not.

 

[Tesh]

Mikeneko getting 2nd and 3rd multiple times in japan , yeah defintely no national threat there. it's unfair for us cause we get a limited amount of chances to do well in the states, If I lived in the states for over a year, I would win at least one tourney.

quik got no seedding points at SRT, proceeds to get first seed and get 9th, then places 5th in a 20-25 man regional in germany

How about you guys send 2/3 player to europe for a change and see how that goes.
Also, Yes I did lose to sonic at apex, but I went snake which I shouldn't have done since my snake was booty at the time. turned out we had to play again since some people tied in our pool and I 2-0d him with marth after that.

Well, I suppose you guys are technically international threats because of all those little places in Europe you could go to, but its been proven multiple times that when Europe comes to North America, they have a mediocre performance at our nationals. As I said, your best players come over and are threatened by a great deal of our players. Meanwhile just ONE notable North American player went to Europe and lost to like...one of you? NA won't send players to EU for the same reason New Jersey doesn't fly out to Idaho for smash tournaments.

When I said international threat, I was referring to the quality of players that can go anywhere and beat anyone or come pretty damn close.

All terminology aside, M2K, Otori, Ally, Nairo definitely fit into a category that you, Leon, Mikehaze and Mikeneko have never reached. You and Leon travelled, proving my point that you aren't top level threats and Mikeneko and Mikehaze haven't even shown a strong dominance over their own regions.

Lets just call them world class threats or something, since Europe fanboys consider dominance of France and some random country like Luxemburg would be comparable to dominance over USA/Japan.

M2K and Ally never needed a rematch to beat Sonic btw. If you lived in NA you might eventually get something done, but it wouldn't compare to the players who get it done on the first try. I'm not denying the you, Leon, gluttony and quik are great, but you aren't threats to the best players in the world.

 

[Z'zgashi]

Do you really want me to repeat myself?

No, I dont really want to hear you *****ing and moaning again honestly

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Agree with Z'z and nova 9.

It isn't a strawman, I was pointing out a double standard you hold that EU results only count when you want them too, but everyone else has to obey logical criteria to determine whether they are good or not.

To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by replacing it with a superficially similar yet unequivalent proposition (the "straw man"), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position.

How are you guys NOT doing this?

No, I dont really want to hear you *****ing and moaning again honestly

Whatever you call it. Because hey, belittling me helps contribute to your point, right?!

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Thank you, Wikipedia.

Have you ever seen this page before, just out of curiosity?

How exactly ARE we doing it?

 

[Maharba the Mystic]

Ignore Xonar.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Thank you, Wikipedia.

Have you ever seen this page before, just out of curiosity?

How exactly ARE we doing it?

You have eyes, yes? Read my posts. Now read what you actually attack. I keep talking about neo-Leon and I have proof based in videos. Then you attack using past results with circumstances that work severely against France's odds. Wha-?

 

[Grim Tuesday]

I have proof based in videos that I am the best player in the world. Your move.

And again, Japan has overcome the exact same 'circumstances' that EU has been faced with countless times; no johns.

Also this is beyond cute:

Can we ship you back to elementary school now?

Because hey, belittling me helps contribute to your point, right?!

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

How is it a john when someone who isn't even our best player went to Japan and placed really high against all odds?

 

[Grim Tuesday]

What were his wins/losses again? I can't remember.

I do remember some American guy called Vinnie placing second in the same tournament, however.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Sorry, are you from the past? There must be some alternative time or place where your logic was actually logical.

 

[Maharba the Mystic]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PL625E0B13DF5D74BC&v=_Y94MO-trAc&feature=player_detailpage#t=642s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1ycBV0XqgM&feature=player_detailpage#t=247s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PL625E0B13DF5D74BC&v=gTSfrf-lGw8&feature=player_detailpage#t=870s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2QzjgcBXX0&list=PL625E0B13DF5D74BC&index=27&feature=plpp_video

if you think videos are the proof you need then let the proof speak for itself then

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Sorry, are you from the past? There must be some alternative time or place where your logic was actually logical.

...And that wasn't a strawman? Please, you're a walking rhetoric who shies away from the evidence he can't handle because of his massive bias towards Europe, rather than the truth.

You're done. People have brought up countless times that Europe's results (results are universally agreed to be the best indication of skill, by the way) are not even comparable to NA's.

All you can respond with time and time again are johns (that somehow Japan managed to overcome with ease), your mythical, tell-tale 'videos', and a few outlier performances by EU players (like quiK) that still aren't that impressive.

 

[Z'zgashi]

I wasnt belittling, I was telling you what I saw and how I say it, then saying I didnt really want to see it again. I never once insulted you or put you down in any way, I just said I didnt want you to repeat yourself lol.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Writing it off as "*****ing and moaning". That's discrediting m-...

whatever

 

[-LzR-]

The last few pages are dangerous as I feel like my IQ has already dropped from reading them.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

I agree, when is the next tier list gonna come out?

 

[Seagull Joe]

You guys disregarding my posts as trolling proves my point lol. Get arguments or get out.

also LOL@Seagull trying to outcredit me. I live in Europe. How often have you played Ramin and Leon?.. Oh. Right. Back to practice mode bro

I may not live in Europe, but I versed both of them A LOT at Apex. I went back and forth with Leon and I couldn't even take a game from Ramin ._.

Leon does use the superior color though. Black is overrated @Kadaj/MikeHaze/Mr.R/Ramin/Raymond/Mikeneko. Red the best.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Good ol' Xonar doing work.

10 / 10 would read again.

 

[Z'zgashi]

I like Green Marth best.

 

[BSP]

If any topic is ok in this thread, can we merge the top 5 with it?

 

[Seagull Joe]

if any topic is ok in this thread, can we merge the top 5 with it?

^

 

[infiniteV115]

Red for top #5 Marth

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

If any topic is ok in this thread, can we merge the top 5 with it?

No because people are immature morons and ruined the other one.

~

Also didn't Leon lose to Trela at APEX?

 

[infiniteV115]

Yes, he did. Leon lost to Trela and Gnes at Apex, dunno who he beat.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Texas > Europe.

 

[Z'zgashi]

And the best part is, those are only #2 and #3 in Texas, not even #1.

 

[BSP]

Texas in its prime vs. Europe would have been funny to watch

 

[Myollnir]

Europe isn't only Mr.R/Gluto/Leon btw...

It's difficult to judge when only a few EU players came to America, and - almost - no american player came to EU.

But imo it's pretty clear that Japan>America>EU.

 

[AllyKnight]

I remember what happened when they sent players to Europe!

Spoiler

Ally got butt-devastated by Gluttony

No one 'sent' me. I came by myself. Now what happened when EU send their best players to the U.S? Butt gangraped ;(