Official BBR Recommended Rule Set 3.1

[sunshade]

Infinite Dimensional Cape.

I'd love to see you explain that.

It is banned for being a stalling technique but I will admit that the potential for it to be game breaking probably resulted in its ban more so than the stalling issue.

Perfect planking is not stalling. You are not avoiding conflict, you are establishing a strong defense and holding it.

 

[Budget Player Cadet_]

There's a subtle difference between a move execution sequence where you are not 100% invincible and not invisible, and one where you are 100% invincible and invisible. It's subtle, but it's there. Here's a hint: the latter has remote potential to be stoppable in practice. IDC, if executed correctly, can never be stopped. Provably.

 

[Spelt]

Also Spelt, people don't like sudden death for the same reason they don't like PTAD/ Japes. No one wants to be punished so hard for 1 single mistake.

if this was the case CGs/infinites would be banned.

 

[Budget Player Cadet_]

if this was the case CGs/infinites would be banned.

Yeah, well, there's a ridiculous double standard with stags.

 

[Spelt]

except japes has never and will never be banned either.


and there's more criteria to banning stages than one mistake = death.

 

[Budget Player Cadet_]

except japes has never and will never be banned either.


and there's more criteria to banning stages than one mistake = death.

Oh yeah. The one the BBR went with was "degenerates gameplay"; the one most people tend to go with is "stages we don't like".

 

[Espy Rose]

I could've sworn, Spelt, that EC bans Japes from time to time.
Am I wrong in thinking that?

 

[SuSa]

All of this fighting, and people don't realize how biased this ruleset is against Lucario.

Resolving Ties: If percents are the same or both players die simultaneously, there will be a 1 stock, 3 minute, same characters, same stage rematch.

So Lucario is instantly ripped of his ability to make a comeback when he's a stock or two behind? Or abuse his weakened ability to create longer combo strings when he's a stock or two ahead?

Tsk tsk

 

[Tesh]

SuSa is right.

In the event of a tied timeout or simultaneous KOs the rematch should be Fox only Final Destination 3 stocks same stages 8 minutes.

@ Spelt, alot of things are banned because people don't like them. Some powerful tactics are banned for being degenerate or too easy, some aren't.

@ Krystedez You can certainly catch them out of the sky, and they bounce off of shields instead of just exploding.

 

[Espy Rose]

So Lucario is instantly ripped of his ability to make a comeback when he's a stock or two behind? Or abuse his weakened ability to create longer combo strings when he's a stock or two ahead?

Tsk tsk

Just another con for playing Lucario in potential time outs games.

 

[SuSa]

Just another con for playing Lucario in potential time outs games.

This explains Lucario's -1 drop in the Tier List. He was found to be at a significant disadvantage in the case of the 1/0 chance of having a tied game.

Wait, did I just divide by 0?

 

[Espy Rose]

You totally did.

And yes, it was for that exact reason.

 

[da K.I.D.]

Pikachu
Invincibility Frames - 34
Ledge Grab Lag Frames - 12
Ledge Drop Frame - 14

This data was taken from here: http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=8257705&postcount=56
It was compiled by K Prime over a year ago.

As you can see, Pikachu is capable of playing the ledge in such a way that he has permanent invincibility. Yet, the BBR feels that this does not meet the definition of "game breaking" ?

no. It doesnt.
Metaknight. when he planks he up airs you with invincibility twice, and than grabs the ledge before you can do anything to him.

Pikachu. he has to choose between falling from the ledge and quick attacking back up to it with invincibility, and up airing off the ledge and quick attacking back up to it with out invinicibility.

With option 1, you can steal the ledge from pikachu because hes not hitting you away. and with option 2, you can hit him out of the quick attack because hes no longer invincible.

mk can hit you away from the edge and still grab it while having invincibility the whole time. Pikachu cant.

except japes has never and will never be banned either.

I could've sworn, Spelt, that EC bans Japes from time to time.
Am I wrong in thinking that?

No you arent, its actually quite rare to find an EC, specifically AN tourney, that has japes legal, since inui has his biased grubby little hands in almost everything. the ones I run are the only ones I cna think of.

 

[Nidtendofreak]

No you arent, its actually quite rare to find an EC, specifically AN tourney, that has japes legal, since inui has his biased grubby little hands in almost everything. the ones I run are the only ones I cna think of.

Wait, people still take Inui seriously? What is this, 2008?

 

[Budget Player Cadet_]

no. It doesnt.
Metaknight. when he planks he up airs you with invincibility twice, and than grabs the ledge before you can do anything to him.

Pikachu. he has to choose between falling from the ledge and quick attacking back up to it with invincibility, and up airing off the ledge and quick attacking back up to it with out invinicibility.

With option 1, you can steal the ledge from pikachu because hes not hitting you away. and with option 2, you can hit him out of the quick attack because hes no longer invincible.

mk can hit you away from the edge and still grab it while having invincibility the whole time. Pikachu cant.

But after he steals the ledge, can't he QA over to the other ledge?

No you arent, its actually quite rare to find an EC, specifically AN tourney, that has japes legal, since inui has his biased grubby little hands in almost everything. the ones I run are the only ones I cna think of.

1. <3 u now legalize PS2 :V

2. This.

Wait, people still take Inui seriously? What is this, 2008?

 

[Trent]

How come Meta Knights legal?

 

[Espy Rose]

Because TOs are afraid to give it a try.

 

[Raziek]

I really need to start waving my hands around more. Maybe I'll just put in my sig.

ATTENTION, I AM A TO WHO HAS BANNED MK IN HIS EVENTS, AND MY PLAYERS ARE HAPPY. WE ALSO USE A LIBERAL STAGELIST WITH PS2 AS A STARTER, AND ALMOST ALL THE CPs. GET AT ME.

 

[Espy Rose]

You are a TO.
Not TOs.

Unfortunately.

Now convince all the other TOs.

 

[Raziek]

I am but one man Espy, with different circumstances than many.

I understand why most TOs can't ban it, because it weakens them out of state. I wish that wasn't the case, but it is.

 

[Spelt]

I could've sworn, Spelt, that EC bans Japes from time to time.
Am I wrong in thinking that?

not the bbr though.
and certain regions ban CGs and infinites occasionally too.

 

[Shaya]

PS2 as a starter is ****ing legit.

 

[Espy Rose]

It's as legit a starter as Pokemon Stadium 1 is.

 

[Shaya]

.... I'd say slighter more legit.

 

[deepseadiva]

That will literally never be accepted.

 

[Espy Rose]

PS2 was listed as a starter stage at a recent tournament down in South Texas.
Yup.

 

[deepseadiva]

obviously tx carhzy

 

[Espy Rose]

Doesn't matter. Proved you wrong.

 

[Budget Player Cadet_]

Raziek is the best TO ever, and people should stop listening to Inui and start listening to him.

 

[Raziek]

Honestly, now that people are used to it, I see more games go to PS2 than almost any other stage.

Like, it's either that or Smashville, it seems like.

And I should add, it's not just me that deserves credit for this.

My fellow three TOs: Camden, Justin Wiles, and KMAG are all very open-minded and ALLOW me to tweak and test the ruleset so that I can give us the most complete, competitive Brawl experience possible. It wouldn't be possible without their support.

 

[Nysyarc]

Raziek is the best TO ever

This. And what Raziek said. Our community/TOs are all awesome.

people should stop listening to Inui and start listening to him.

People listen to Inui? Who, exactly?

 

[Budget Player Cadet_]

Stupid people, that's who. But there's no denying how much of an influence he's had on the EC ruleset/mindset.

 

[da K.I.D.]

EU?
Europe?

I think you mean EC, as in east coast.

also, i laugh when I think of what would happen if I banned MK at one of my tourneys.
The one guy on my PR that mains MK, would play snake.
The 4 guys that used to main ICs, pikachu, DK, and PEach, would all go back to those characters. and we would have a legit smash scene with a flowing metagame.

 

[-Vocal-]

eu?
Europe?

I think you mean ec, as in east coast.

Also, i laugh when i think of what would happen if i banned mk at one of my tourneys.
The one guy on my pr that mains mk, would play snake.
The 4 guys that used to main ics, pikachu, dk, and peach, would all go back to those characters. And we would have a legit smash scene with a flowing metagame.

then DO IT, DO IT!

 

[Raziek]

EU?
Europe?

I think you mean EC, as in east coast.

also, i laugh when I think of what would happen if I banned MK at one of my tourneys.
The one guy on my PR that mains MK, would play snake.
The 4 guys that used to main ICs, pikachu, DK, and PEach, would all go back to those characters. and we would have a legit smash scene with a flowing metagame.

What are you waiting for then?

Go boldly and without fear, for the grass really is greener on the other side.

I would know, I'm over here.

 

[Espy Rose]

I love going to PS2, Raziek. <33

However, my character has a tendency to suck complete *** when he's on these super large levels.

 

[Budget Player Cadet_]

EU?
Europe?

I think you mean EC, as in east coast.

also, i laugh when I think of what would happen if I banned MK at one of my tourneys.
The one guy on my PR that mains MK, would play snake.
The 4 guys that used to main ICs, pikachu, DK, and PEach, would all go back to those characters. and we would have a legit smash scene with a flowing metagame.

Yes, I do.

AND DO IT.

 

[Life]

@KID Go tempban MK in your tournaments and see what happens.

 

[Tesh]

Why are items set to off AND none?

 

[Raziek]

Because otherwise Dedede can throw capsules randomly.