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anyone can achieve greatness if they work at it. 10K hours of practice to become an expert bro.I disagree with the notion that anyone can achieve greatness.
The more I play the more it shows me that I'm not made out for greatness, just a stepping stone for up and comers.
what about them? i'm one of them. hell, i should be the poster child of them.
it's not removing them from the list, it would just be transporting them to a brand new area of the list.
you'd be number 1 under the proposed system, yes (since chris is innactive). but whether we set the elite 4 apart or not, you are still the de facto king of the kiddy table, haha. its just that now there would be a clear distinction for the world to see. in actuality that would be the only difference--the distinction of the decorated veterans and the rest of the bunch. this doesnt mean that you one day can't join their lunch table. all it would mean is that we would paint a big red line to make the distinction. the big red line is already there, because their distinct greatness above everyone else is acknowledged and praised by most, whether in AZ or not.
what's the point of creating a new area of the list?
Very good point. Just practice you guys. Get better and better if you want to get to the top.
There are very, very few things that are possible for some people and impossible for others. Yes, it's probably true that Jeff has some sort of natural proclivity towards being good at Melee, and yes, it might therefore take people like you and me more time/effort to achieve his level, but it's not like he was born able to JC grab and SDI. Competing with Jeff's "natural advantage" is more like competing with a pianist who has fingers 2mm longer than yours: yes, slightly longer fingers are technically an advantage when playing piano, but there's so much more to playing piano that the extra 2mm hardly matters in the long run. Likewise, there is so much more to playing Melee that even if Jeff HAD been born able to JC grab and SDI, it still wouldn't make a huge difference in the long run.
Your 2nd paragraph makes no sense. First you say why guess on where they should be then you say if Jeff wasn't on you know he'd come back and just be where he was. That's why I'm saying not to move him. Everyone knows they'd get 3 stocked by him so there's no point in NOT putting someone on a list because then it's more of a goal to strive for to actually GET ON because then it makes it harder. Inactivity shouldn't directly effect someone unless their current rank becomes questionable due to others getting better.
I think what Corey is saying is that although keeping the list at top 10 is making it a goal to GET ON, taking people off the list for inactivity would make it a goal to STAY ON. If we follow your logic, Wobbles and Jeff wouldn't ever have to come to a tournament to keep their rank. They could basically stop playing, and by the time somebody surpasses them (assuming they didn't play AT ALL during this time) the memory of just how good they were will be fuzzy and questionable and how good they would actually be if they were to not play for that long would be even more questionable. We all know about Jeff's surgery. But we all want him to come back.
So I guess Bruce Lee is the best fighter in the world right now. Einstein is the most brilliant scientist of today. Thomas Jefferson is the best president we currently have. If someone is not playing, they are not ranked. You cannot be one of the best at something if you don't actually do that something. Yes, they are most likely better than us when they do compete, but that doesn't mean **** if they aren't going to tournaments and putting that reputation on the line. You cannot be on a current list and not be currently playing. Ken could be the best player in the world in smash this very minute, but he doesn't play so it doesn't matter. If you were to make a list based on recent results, you couldn't even hypothesize his position.
"Lesser" players are better than a non-player. Let's have a tournament of Taj, Forward, Wobbles, ChuckE, Light, Dark, Vectorman, GG7, AXE, etc. all vs each other. It wouldn't work because none of those people would even show up based off the trend of their recent attendance. How is that something more admirable than a few scrubby shmucks actually putting in the hours and sweat to try and get good? Is it really so insulting to say that maybe people that haven't played since half a year ago should be put on temporary leave even though we still respect and admire them?
Insulting me doesn't make you right, and I don't see how that has relevance here. We are discussing how best to proceed about listing people on the ranking that we can all agree on. Telling me to stop *****ing about something I am giving rational reasons for is just an attempt to discredit me without actually addressing what I'm saying. Cut it out.
I'm not saying they wouldn't have to play for awhile. But if it's clear they're still better there is literally no point in taking them off for the time being. Is there a line between being able to not play at all for awhile and just being like "Oh we still know they're better" but because of inactivity they should be taken off? Yes most certainly but I don't think it has been reached yet.
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