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Official "Ask Snakeee Stuff... about Stuff" Thread
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noradseven
Smash Lord
You can probably do it too, I have always found sheik matches to be tricky, not too bad once you get used to the thing. But shieks speed and that **** sliding u-smash shut down alot of your zoning game, and force you to play up close.
Cynan Machae
Smash Journeyman
Yea, I'd say that from the few ZSS dittos I've played they doesn't seem to be played at all like other matches >< But I don't mind the ditto in itself so in a tournament I would probably stay with ZSS since the other wouldprobably know as much as I would about it 
The only thing I really like about ZSS dittos is the first stock or so, because it means I'm actually fighting someone who knows how to use the suit pieces. It's a lot more interesting. Against other people, I can sometimes just spam the pieces, and they can't do anything. But ZSSes know how to deal with it, so there's a lot more strategy.
I don't much like fighting up close with ZSS, so the rest of the match is really frustrating for me.
I don't much like fighting up close with ZSS, so the rest of the match is really frustrating for me.
canthandletheSpeculosity
Smash Journeyman
Using ZSS up-close is amazing. she has all these fast, hard-to punish techniques/moves at her disposal. it's all about using them to pressure, predicting their movement and countering, and trying to get that strong hit in (dtilt, ftilt, 3rd jab, pivot grab, or pivot side b) I dont like to wait for my opponent to approach me sometimes, it makes me feel weak. Im not saying that you should TRY to get in H2H, but there's gonna be times where you gotta do what you gotta do. It would be good to learn to be your best in this aspect.
I never fought a good Sheik offline so maybe Snakeee will enlighten me. Sheik was my first choice to 2nd when I was looking for one because I liked her speed and the fact that all her attacks and aerials have like 0 afterlag. but I saw videos of her and she couldn't even kill a Kirby at 172%. I was like wtf. I understand that she's probably supposed to turn to Zelda but, is it worth it?
I never fought a good Sheik offline so maybe Snakeee will enlighten me. Sheik was my first choice to 2nd when I was looking for one because I liked her speed and the fact that all her attacks and aerials have like 0 afterlag. but I saw videos of her and she couldn't even kill a Kirby at 172%. I was like wtf. I understand that she's probably supposed to turn to Zelda but, is it worth it?
jibbyjaont
Smash Journeyman
That's why you throw yours away and take his. That's what I do.
Adapt
Smash Lord
Using Zelda for kills is awesome. I can almost always get a kill at 100-120%. This was I can use u-smash and d-smash for damage racking purposes.
clowsui
Smash Legend
Snakeeee why don't you play Sheik/Zelda vs. non-top level MKs at tourneys where recording is an option?
I want to see that matchup at EC level of play. Maybe with some chain usage too, but that might be asking for too much.
I want to see that matchup at EC level of play. Maybe with some chain usage too, but that might be asking for too much.
canthandletheSpeculosity
Smash Journeyman
Shhh, don't encourage him. he's already tipping over, dont push him off...
Soon that Icon below his name is gonna turn from the best character in the game to that no range, lack-of-kill-moves having, thought-she-could-run-over-water he-she looking wannabe ninja with needles for running away with to compensate for her envy of the better character.
Soon that Icon below his name is gonna turn from the best character in the game to that no range, lack-of-kill-moves having, thought-she-could-run-over-water he-she looking wannabe ninja with needles for running away with to compensate for her envy of the better character.
Ouch lol, ravaged.Soon that Icon below his name is gonna turn from the best character in the game to that no range, lack-of-kill-moves having, thought-she-could-run-over-water he-she looking wannabe ninja with needles for running away with to compensate for her envy of the better character.
clowsui
Smash Legend
Sheik is a really underrated character lol
Who ELSE in the game has a guaranteed setup for a kill on like..60% of the cast?
Who ELSE in the game has a guaranteed setup for a kill on like..60% of the cast?
canthandletheSpeculosity
Smash Journeyman
>_> Shhhhhhhhhhhhhh, I KNOW that. I'm trying to deter him from using her. But Sheik still isn't as good as ZSS.
NickRiddle
#negativeNick
yea, Dtilt --> ZAIR --> Fsmash.
canthandletheSpeculosity
Smash Journeyman
Ike has a Zair?
yes
[insert lies here]
im just saying that a Fsmash killed me in 48%
i havent seen a Pro-sheik yet
NickRiddle
#negativeNick
D3 F-smash killed me at 20...>_< Stupid buffer making me charge my gun...
ITT: We talk about F-smashes killing us at stupid low %.
ITT: We talk about F-smashes killing us at stupid low %.
clowsui
Smash Legend
Sheik's FTilt -> USmash is guaranteed if you stale it enough (which you should be, every time you can get an FTilt no questions asked just do it)
It's so sexy
It's so sexy
jibbyjaont
Smash Journeyman
Snake grabbed me when I started at 0% and it still killed me. Reason being was that i was talking on the phone and didn't have my controller in my hands. The kill counted. Tell me, is that the worst way to die? Dying at 0%.
Snakeee
Smash Master
Spec, I'll make you envy Sheik. And btw, you're off a bit on that second page. ZSS' tilts don't space her from a shield grab against a lot of characters. I used to think they were as good as you did too . They're not useless of course though.
And Clowsui, I would some vids up of my Sheik but I hardly even get the chance to have ZSS vids up -_-. I will eventually though.
. They're not useless of course though. And Clowsui, I would some vids up of my Sheik but I hardly even get the chance to have ZSS vids up -_-. I will eventually though.
gameandwatch 4 Lyfe
Smash Journeyman
hey snakeee how doe you fight warios? his mobility and diagnol approaches can be a pain.
Snakeee
Smash Master
I gotta go to work but for now I'll tell you that a lot of retreating and try to up air him a lot out of his aerials because it has more range than them. B-air is great too but try to save that for KOs.
noradseven
Smash Lord
when you guys keep saying b-air, you mean over B air right, not neutral.
DeliciousCake
Smash Lord
Duh? Neutral would be n-air.
noradseven
Smash Lord
uhhh wouldn't n-air be netural A in the air. god **** screw you all j.5A
canthandletheSpeculosity
Smash Journeyman
lol bair = back aerial.
Nair = neutral air as in pressing the attack button when not pushing a direction
Nair = neutral air as in pressing the attack button when not pushing a direction
Norad: This video was made for Melee, but a few of the terms carry over, especially names of aerials. It'll surely be helpful in discussing the way maneuvers are discussed in the SSB community.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4n4s5yB7ZkE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4n4s5yB7ZkE
canthandletheSpeculosity
Smash Journeyman
Yea I hate how characters like fox (and I think D3) can actually shieldgrab my dtilt even when I jab cancel it perfectly with perfect framing. But it's all about predicting when THEY are gonna do their move and countering it. I kinda feel imo that ZSS is more of a punisher and not a pressure-er. But When Im in H2H sometimes I may do things like dash out, then dash back in to like punish some attack they did. or I could dash backwards to pivot grab, pivot SH laser, or pivot side b. pivot side b punishes spot dodges in H2H while keeping you spaced. Luckily she doesnt have to STAY right next to the opponent to get that hit in. Utilizing her dash can make it harder for her to get hit during H2H.Spec, I'll make you envy Sheik. And btw, you're off a bit on that second page. ZSS' tilts don't space her from a shield grab against a lot of characters. I used to think they were as good as you did too
And Clowsui, I would some vids up of my Sheik but I hardly even get the chance to have ZSS vids up -_-. I will eventually though.
it's so cool doing something like single/double jab, dash or walk back, they try to sheildgrab or attack because they thought u were gonna stay in there and do the third hit or dtilt. then you comeback super fast with a dash grab or whatever. Im still trying some things out that may make her H2H even better.
Are you sure even a dtilt at toe range can be countered since it has decent range and it makes her low? I know that some ppl can like Oli could but since it goes low and can be a shield pressuring move or a mindgame (u know when you use it twice to punish when they let their shield down after?) I was gonna try something with my friend later on where I could walk back (mindgame) then do a pivot dtilt really quick to make it spaced.
LMFAO.
Common sense?
jibbyjaont
Smash Journeyman
noradseven
Smash Lord
I know how they call them normally, just I keep seeing people say use b-air, in a position where neutral b air is a bad idea but side b air is a good idea, at least in my opinion, so I was getting all confused.
This is why I still prefer the other system(yes I know smash has more directions, but it only matters in a few circumstances, and personally j.6A, is alot faster read then forward air, and less confusing. and for those darn angles you could just do 2-3A for N b-air, or 5b-air.
ZSS has 2 modes, ready and go.
Ready state: is punish mode jump around annoying the opponent with your bull****, until they mess up.
Go state: after you make a connection just rush that **** down, and keep rushing it until positions are reset.
Shifting between these states is key. Pst what you do after a D smash if it connects is the Set state.
Phootbag played me and he saw a bit of this strat.
Personally I think MK should be played the same way, aggressive MK's have always been easy for me, plus I watched flamingo do real well with his MK(defensive camping jerk, until you get hit), don't really know how its not that great, but maybe it just caught so many people offline. I don't dare post this over there because
A: They would flame the daylights out of me.
B: I think its the best strat. (MK never seemed like a rush down char that much to me, he didn't have the attributes of a pressure character(traps, double character, a safe on approach projectile), though he has the rapid attack attribute of rush down character.)
canthandletheSpeculosity
Smash Journeyman
Snakeee
Smash Master
I have a little point to make about each section of your post lol
-When ppl use the term "air" they're referring to an A button attack in the air, never a B move.
-I agree about the ZSS modes you mentioned.
-Meta should be played differently depending on the match up. Against ZSS an aggressive style pays off much more if they Meta knows the match up well and is very good at PSing.
-When ppl use the term "air" they're referring to an A button attack in the air, never a B move.
-I agree about the ZSS modes you mentioned.
-Meta should be played differently depending on the match up. Against ZSS an aggressive style pays off much more if they Meta knows the match up well and is very good at PSing.