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Official 2010-2011 Super Smash Bros. Melee MBR Tier List

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Merkuri

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I think Pikachu should be middle tier, i mean hey Axe showed how **** he can be and is
Pikachu on the same level as Ganondorf and ICs? I don't think so. And relative from the last tier list Pikachu is mid-tier, it's ******** how they changed the names of the tier groups.
 

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Pikachu on the same level as Ganondorf and ICs? I don't think so. And relative from the last tier list Pikachu is mid-tier, it's ******** how they changed the names of the tier groups.
After seeing a pikachu take on a fox and a peach and for the most part keep up with them, i think Pikachu deserves to be higher or tied with Ganon on the list
 

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Well Im saying that pikachu is as good as ganon, I mean ganon is good and everything but i think these two are on an equal level, but pikachu has an easier time fighting fox or peach who are in the two highest tiers. I dont see why pikachu shouldn't be in the middle tier
 

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how does pikachu have an EASIER time with fox and peach?

as far as I know fox is a BAD matchup for pikachu (because he cant get the grabs he needs) and Ganon is GOOD against peach.

I could be wrong though, I dont play Pikachu.

one player beasting doesnt show enough
 

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True, well all im saying is even though its one player, look at Puff really it was King who got everyone looking at puff like wow shes ****, then mango and hbox came out of their puff closet and showed what she could really accomplice, in the end it only takes one player
 

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It takes a single player to inspire and motivate.

One person cannot completely change the tier list though. Influence, yes. But moving up a character merely because one person has been doing well with them is kinda misleading.
 

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Ehh, well this seems like a lost cause to keep discussing it, im not trying to make an argument about it, its just my opinion and i believe that pikachu does deserve to be higher
 

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Are you ****ing ********? Young Link not the same spot as Roy and definitely not below Mewtwo and Zelda. ZELDA OF ALL ****ING CHARACTERS! AND TIED WITH ROY?!



Go **** yerself. dip ****.
 

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Pikachu doesn't have one advantageous matchup with anyone above him on the tier list (his matchups with falcon and ganon are debateable). I don't see why he should then move up. Seems fine where he is to me.
 

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Cuz I'm going to beat all of you at Pound 5 and then take Taj's money to show you all that he's better then those two characters.
 

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Some scrub from "Eastburg".
lol Now im trying to figure out why you are talking to someone you think is a scrub
Listen kid, if you think I was bashing Ylink, well you are very wrong. The ****** actually said b-a-d- a-s-s, so ease up

And this I wanna see "Cuz I'm going to beat all of you at Pound 5 and then take Taj's money to show you all that he's better then those two characters." Good Luck with that
 

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I retract all of what I said. Forgive me for my insolence. I am a dumb ***. I can't count. And I totally interpreted that as: Young Link is (.......) Dumb ***.

Except for the part about taking everyone money. I'll still be doing that.

Still accepting YL v Anything that's not Sheik/Falco MM's.
 

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I retract all of what I said. Forgive me for my insolence. I am a dumb ***. I can't count. And I totally interpreted that as: Young Link is (.......) Dumb ***.

Except for the part about taking everyone money. I'll still be doing that.

Still accepting YL v Anything that's not Sheik/Falco MM's.
Its all cool, idk why this forum site has these * to cover small swears, probably about 90% of everyone who uses the boards is 16 and older.

And if I am able to make it to pound 5 I may have to consider doing a Ylink Ditto with ya
 

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id say...says who.

imho I think the idea of forbidden words is stupid in the first place. I think swearing alot can be an indication of a poor grasp on the english vernacular. or just an expression of anger or an example of laziness. but its whatever.

if they are socially unacceptable, then "protect" the innocent children.
 

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id say...says who.

imho I think the idea of forbidden words is stupid in the first place. I think swearing alot can be an indication of a poor grasp on the english vernacular. but whatever.

but if they are socially unacceptable, then "protect" the innocent children.
I think it's because Smash is a childish game.

You can cuss like a Sailor on Shoryuken.
 

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Regardless how you guys feel this site is meant to be generally E rated.

Even though a lot of teenagers do play, some younger kids play as well. And thats why the censor is there.

Thats pretty much it, doesn't matter if you don't like it SWF is going to be like that forever.

Aaaand yea, don't talk about how annoyed at the censor you are here. Social thread it.
 

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Most kids don't know how to use the internet.. And if they did they've probably seen much more then bad words.. lol

Anyway yeah... Jiggs isn't 3rd best.
 

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Most kids don't know how to use the internet.. And if they did they've probably seen much more then bad words.. lol

Anyway yeah... Jiggs isn't 3rd best.
i dont see why she couldn be she can combo into a move that can kill after the opponenent has taken like 10% damage unless ur on dreamland

for a floaty as character she can live quite well with good DI ( can be said with every character but its jiggs she so damm light she dies at stupid early percents if u dont DI well)

her aerials are good that bair has nice priority not to mention a stupid hitbox

and people may not like the way hbox plays but he has shown with good spacing u can win any match up and that you dont have to be Mango to win with puff and by that i mean since Mango could probably win a tourny with like any of the top 14 characters if he really wanted to he doesnt count when looking at people who do good with a character

so i am ok with her being top 3 do i think she should be first hell no but i would like to see serious compelling arguments as to why she cant be third on the tier list
 

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^ Stop responding to the extreme few who think Jigs isn't top 3. They are incredible outliers, and almost every sensible member of the community accepts that Jigs is among the best characters in the game.
 

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Yikes, Kirby. Can't say I disagree, though.
 

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So, seriously... Why is the tier list being discussed?
This isn't a troll or anything but honestly, does it even matter anymore?
Did it.... ever matter? Is it just for the sole purpose of people's interest in how the characters are doing in the current metagame?
 

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^ Stop responding to the extreme few who think Jigs isn't top 3. They are incredible outliers, and almost every sensible member of the community accepts that Jigs is among the best characters in the game.
Jiggs is good but not one of the best. Based on MATCH-UPS Sheik's definitely does better against the cast then she does. And Marth does better too.
 

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Jiggs is good but not one of the best. Based on MATCH-UPS Sheik's definitely does better against the cast then she does. And Marth does better too.
Which is why we have a viable non-viable split, or according to all these other fighting games' logic...

sheik is the best in melee =D

(Incidentally, mango in apex interviews said sheik is #1... lol :laugh:)
 

Merkuri

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Jiggs is good but not one of the best. Based on MATCH-UPS Sheik's definitely does better against the cast then she does. And Marth does better too.
Well I suppose it's not hard to believe that Sheik could be tied with Jigs. The problem is that they're no elite Sheiks in America. I had hope for Lucien but he seems to have given up lately.
 

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I mean just because there is no one playing that character to the full potential anymore doesn't mean that character is bad or has gotten worse. That just means the hardcore Sheik players need to step up.

Same with Marth *coughM2Kcough*
 
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