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[EverAlert]

You can, yes. I've only ever done it once, and it was not a good idea lol.

I think 'constantly' is a massive overexaggeration.

Yeah, no.

If it's so easy to avoid the hazards on pirate ship then I'm happy to money match you on that stage and we can see how that works out for you. You have not played an actually competent player on that stage in a tournament setting, I guarantee you the stage has a much more active influence on a match than you think.

Pictochat is a bad comparison because 1) it has very few real hazards, 2) they don't repeat and they're nowhere near as frequent, and 3) none of them pose a real threat in terms of survivability. Rainbow Cruise is a bad comparison because 1) while the ship is similar it's not even around for most of the stage and 2) the rest of the stage is very open and predictable and hazardless.

Honestly, you don't seem able to understand what stage awkwardness means and you have poor valuation skills when it comes to stage features. You should stick around the scene for a year or so, you will develop a sense for this stuff naturally. I don't think it's something that can just be explained.

Btw, for what it's worth, we've had Pirate Ship legal in the past. It's not like we haven't tried it out.

 

[JPW]

i wonder whatever happened to just playing for the hell of it? Did it change when you got into the tourney scene? will the same happen to me? Did you find a new way of fun?

I love playing 4 way FFA's, and games with items, and even stage hazards. For me it's always been a great past time. It's always interesting leaving it up to luck rather than skill. Yeah it can get annoying at times where a stage technicality can decide the overall fate, especially when you've been all the way and then you get killed by a stupid spike in pictochat, but every once in a while the odds will work in your favour.

 

[Zxv]

Also, I'm not sure what you mean by 'accessible' platforms. The top platform is just as accessible as any other top platform, and the bottom platform is easily accessible. If you mean in terms of competing for the platforms, most characters in general prefer to be beneath rather than above their opponent. Stages like Lylat and Brinstar are unflat and have platforms of similar accessiblity, I don't really see the difference.

I wasn't really talking about legality, I was simply stating my opinion on the matter. Anybody who knows me knows that I absolutely DETEST Lylat Cruise

 

[Dre89]

You can, yes. I've only ever done it once, and it was not a good idea lol.


Yeah, no.

If it's so easy to avoid the hazards on pirate ship then I'm happy to money match you on that stage and we can see how that works out for you. You have not played an actually competent player on that stage in a tournament setting, I guarantee you the stage has a much more active influence on a match than you think.

Pictochat is a bad comparison because 1) it has very few real hazards, 2) they don't repeat and they're nowhere near as frequent, and 3) none of them pose a real threat in terms of survivability. Rainbow Cruise is a bad comparison because 1) while the ship is similar it's not even around for most of the stage and 2) the rest of the stage is very open and predictable and hazardless.

Honestly, you don't seem able to understand what stage awkwardness means and you have poor valuation skills when it comes to stage features. You should stick around the scene for a year or so, you will develop a sense for this stuff naturally. I don't think it's something that can just be explained.

Btw, for what it's worth, we've had Pirate Ship legal in the past. It's not like we haven't tried it out.[/QUOTE


Firstly, I'm not money-driven so it wouldn't need to be an MM for me to take the match seriously, although I understand that's the smash culture. Secondly, you'd wreck me on any stage and could probably use any stage against me, so that wouldn't achieve much.

I'm also a bit confused because you mention how active PS is in the match, yet consider Pictochat a bad comparison, yet Pictochat is far more active than PS. If we're considering the bombs to be only activeness we're concerned about, they are a lot less active than Pictochat hazards.

I don't think referencing my inexperience applies here. It's not like I'm saying the game is balanced or that Temple should be legal. I know people in the Stage Discussion thread think it should be legal.

I can see how the stage is awkward in terms of its shape and may not be considered a fun stage but I don't see how it's awkward competitively. I'm pretty sure if I played on it enough I wouldn't find it awkward anymore. I mean I used to find BF awkward back when I used to spam FD but now it's pretty much my favourite stage.

f you don't mind explaining it to me, how would a player make more use of the PS hazards than the Halberd ones to the point where it is unfair?

 

[EverAlert]

The point of the set isn't to see if I'll wreck you, the point would be to show you what it's like to fight the stage while someone who isn't a ****** is trying to hit you. Also, many people think they play seriously regardless of money, but actually putting money on the line guarantees it basically.

Pictochat isn't "active" in the same way pirate ship is. Pirate ship may only have 4 or 5 different things it throws at you, but they are frequent, random, cover a large portion of the stage (with one exception), and every single one will probably kill you if it connects almost regardless of your %, or at the very least put you in a terrible situation that you will very rarely come back from. Pictochat on the other hand is very predictable, transformations don't repeat until it cycles through all 20-something odd forms (the number of forms outlasts the timer), each form always lasts the same amount of time, and very few forms actually try to damage you, almost all of them are simply layout changes, and even the worst one that damages you has set knockback and ambiguous DI so you're basically never at risk of dying or being put in -too- bad of a position. In other words, it's manageable, and its one actually-random aspect is trackable. As for Halberd, it's much less active in general, and although it can kill you, all its hazards are so painfully projected that it's almost not worth mentioning.

It's not even a matter of the stage being more abusable, it's a matter of playing safely and waiting for the stage to kill the other guy for you. You can't do that on Pictochat or Halberd.

Also referencing inexperience is important because, as I said, "stage awkwardness" isn't really about your personal comfort/familiarity, and I don't think there's a way to explain it that doesn't involve you playing a lot for it to click. As a side perk, actually having experience helps convince people you have a clue.

i wonder whatever happened to just playing for the hell of it? Did it change when you got into the tourney scene? will the same happen to me? Did you find a new way of fun?

Although I can only speak for myself, "a new way of having fun" is probably the best way to describe it. For me personally I always intended to play Brawl competitively since before it came out, but I used to play Smash 64 as a kid all the time (obviously senseless buttonmashing) and memories of that inspired me to look for something deeper with smash. So I guess it's a bit of everything. I think you'll find most competitive players are willing to mess around with random stages and items from time to time, though.

 

[tedeth]

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'Nuff said.

 

[toki]

@Dre's wall of fail

 

[Shaya]

picto should be banned anyway

 

[toki]

Dre said you're not even in the country

 

[EverAlert]

picto is pretty gay LOL

but that's another argument

 

[Dre89]

Dre said you're not even in the country

What lol.

Don't be running my mouth for me homeboy. Otherwise you and I may have to go for a little dance.

Ted- Explaining why I'm wrong would be more helpful than condescending me.

Shaya- I think Picto should be illegal too, in fact I think all hazard stages should be illegal, but I think if you allow hazards then banning PS is inconsistent.

EA-I'll take your points on board, but when you legalize hazardous stages I think it becomes a grey area as to what crosses the line. You may possibly be right but I think it's more arbitrary than you seem to be implying.

 

[luxingo]

MM me on PS, EA.

 

[iKiLLOTz]

MM me on PS, Lux

 

[SummonerAU]

MM me on SR, ikill

 

[luxingo]

MM me on PS, Lux

No.

 

[cheese619]

MM me on Guitar Hero.
I am so glad EA frequents this thread because he answers so many questions that I would absolutely hate to. Keep up the good work EA.

 

[Invisi]

Challenge Accepted.

 

[toki]

Dre, I taught Bruce lee Kungfu and Michael Jackson the moonwalk.

 

[Dre89]

Dre, I taught Bruce lee Kungfu and Michael Jackson the moonwalk.

I don't dry my hands after I wash them because I live by my own rules.

Hades gonna hade.

 

[metalliguy]

I don't dry my hands after I wash them because I live by my own rules.

LOL

 

[toki]

Is Pirateship legal in your rules?

 

[cheese619]

No but Picto is.

EDIT: LOOL

 

[luxingo]

I think Toki was referring to Dre's washing hands quote there.

 

[Wvz]

this is so hilarious =D
whens the next thing happening btw?
i should be free on the weekend

 

[EverAlert]

Dre, I taught Bruce lee Kungfu

lol nice one, but you're not fooling anyone from western sydney.

 

[tedeth]

Seriously Dre, how can someone be so obnoxious but so dumb at the same time? It's mind blowing.

Threatening to fight one of the most beloved members of the Australian Smash community?

Truly incredible.

 

[Karnu]

Seriously, why must everyone in the AUS scene fight??? >.<

And from what I have seen typed on MMGN and here I feel I will not be allowed to be a Neutral member sooner or later :/

 

[Dre89]

Seriously Dre, how can someone be so obnoxious but so dumb at the same time? It's mind blowing.

Threatening to fight one of the most beloved members of the Australian Smash community?

Truly incredible.

I can't tell if you're being serious or not.

 

[Karnu]

Dre just stop while you are ahead! We don't need more people hating on each other.

 

[Dre89]

What?! Who am I hating on?

I honestly can't tell if Ted is genuinely annoyed at me or making a joke. I'm not being a duche I was genuinely asking.

 

[Karnu]

What?! Who am I hating on?

I honestly can't tell if Ted is genuinely annoyed at me or making a joke. I'm not being a duche I was genuinely asking.

Never said you were hating on, I said we don't need more hating.

 

[Dre89]

Yeah fair enough but who is hating? No one is fighting here, unless Ted was being serious with that post, but I'm not sure why he would be.

 

[Karnu]

Yeah fair enough but who is hating? No one is fighting here, unless Ted was being serious with that post, but I'm not sure why he would be.

If you read posts in MMGN from the last month or two you will see.

There also seems to be a lot of hate on SA and maybe QLD.

And nasty things have been said about some members, I will not say any thing else because I'm trying to just stay out of this but don't be one of those people dre.

You wanna see go through the last 3 MMGN threads, you will see a few things.

 

[Dre89]

But you told me to stop while I'm ahead, implying I was somehow involved in the hate.

I'm confuzzled.

 

[Karnu]

But you told me to stop while I'm ahead, implying I was somehow involved in the hate.

I'm confuzzled.

When I said "Stop while you are ahead" I'm saying you should just drop what you are saying because I can see that Ted is not joking, Ted has Nova on his side and you piss ted off, you pretty much piss Nova off.

I have messed with Nova and its something I regret because a PM I sent to him to him that night, saying stupid things and I sent that because I was depressed and I was not thinking.

When he should it publicly I was embarrassed but know it those not bother me but its a pain because its something that him and his brother can use against me from now on.

Just don't get yourself into ****.

 

[Dre89]

He's not joking?

Did he think I was threatenng Toki.

Lol Toki and I are wifi bros. The joke about having a dance with him is a personal joke he'd get lol.

 

[Karnu]

I don't think that post ted made was a joke.

 

[Dre89]

Well if he was being serious he must have though I was seriously threatening Toki, which I wasn't lol. We were just kidding around. He probably wasn't aware that we knew each other from MMGM.

 

[Karnu]

Well if he was being serious he must have though I was seriously threatening Toki, which I wasn't lol. We were just kidding around. He probably wasn't aware that we knew each other from MMGM.

Well, all I'm gonna say dre is to be careful.
You saw that post made by Nova towards you on MMGN? If you did then that should be a hint to watch it.

 

[Dre89]

I'm confused.

I've met Ted and he was cool with me, at least to my face anyway.

I haven't done anything since then except argue that Pirate Ship should be legal. That's the only other interaction I've had with him apart from tonight.

Nova's post was after I med Ted, but before the PS discussion, so it had been ages since I had had any interaction wth Ted, so I don't understand where this is coming from....