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North American ONLINE Player Tier List

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B Link

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sandbagger classification:

TRUE sandbagger - is ACTUALLY a good player, sometimes doesn't try as hard on servers, high delay, with friends or against weaker players. Characteristics are you'll be beating them through the match, and think WOW i'm doing something right, only to have them take you down in the end despite you being up 3-1. (e.g. sensei, tigerbombz)

ego-sandbagger - claims that they're sandbagging but are actually playing at their best, characteristics are they ask you 100x for rematches if they lose, and get mad when you leave if they haven't won yet (most people who play only on servers)

rock-bagger - never truly "sandbags", plays well all the time (e.g. from my experience, kabal, and maybe malva)

"NOT MY MAIN" sandbagger - says they are sandbagging everytime they're not using their main. pretty obvious to spot. they'll, for example, play link the first match, and then the 2nd match switch right to kirby/pika.

???sand???b?ag?ger - no one will ever know if this player is really sandbagging. their skill fluctuates like ichigo's reiatsu. tend to do a lot of random things in the match, unpredictable, but a weird unpredictable in that sometimes it seems like a mistake but you can't tell if its on purpose or not. mindgames? kinda... (e.g. denken, jaime)

Basically you have to be able to tell the difference between when people sandbag and when they don't since it is not clear. I will say two things from my experience: First, most people that claim to be sandbagging probably aren't good (the best players never even bring up the word), and second that most people online don't really sandbag off the bat against someone they haven't played before (try playing them with a fake username) from being scared that their reputation is at stake. whoa secret tippppp
 

Surri-Sama

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Lol ima "NOT MY MAIN" sandbagger? xD

I never use "sandbagging" as an excuse but 95% of the time i start as link then if im obliterated as him, i go to pika.

Never really though about it as "sandbagging" i just like to play link at first, then if i wanna see if i can beat them...i'll go with one of my better chars.
 

The Star King

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most people online don't really sandbag off the bat against someone they haven't played before (try playing them with a fake username) from being scared that their reputation is at stake. whoa secret tippppp
I don't think so, most people try against known players and don't care about random people from my experience.
 

th3kuzinator

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I don't think so, most people try against known players and don't care about random people from my experience.
Ill sangbag if its literally someone so terrible it wouldnt matter or if its someone I have honestly never played before. If I know the person and they are good enough to beat me if I sandbag, I rarely do it.
 

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I guess that makes me a TRUE sandbagger borderline ???sand???b?ag?ger

Wow BLink, that s*** is accurate. :o
 

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I almost never sandbag. My casual-friendly is the same as my serious play.

Though sometimes I unleash the dragon inside me and horribly demolish my foe. I dont have control over that though, it happens at random times :\
 

#HBC | ѕoup

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man, i have yet to have that feeling of unleashing the dragon.

I know it's in there, i feel it (hypothetically) emerging but it never does.

I mean, when i'm losing i focus more, and i play alot smarter, but there's not a sense of pure domination.
 

KoRoBeNiKi

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"NOT MY MAIN" sandbagger and ???sand???b?ag?ger

I go for more random stuff when I am playing friendlies/I play more offensively.

In actual tournament rounds, I tend to be more campy/go for more basic combos
 

NovaSmash

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ego sandbaggers are the worst thing. i used to beat smasherx74 and he would always say, "now let me actually try this time", as if he wasn't trying 1000% all the time.
 

NixxxoN

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I think I converted into a "have fun sandbagger" since some months ago. I usually dont try my best because i dont have much fun doing it, i like more playing against worse players than me and play at like 50%-75%.
 

Korrupshen

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this is the reason i go on random names now. i have more fun in a match when im trying stupid things or using a character im not great with than when im trying 100% but people get big headed and start being annoying.

"OMFG FROG I BEAT U!!" go **** yourself.
This happens to me all the time and I do the same thing. Make up some stupid random name, but the next time some **** head brags I'm gonna unplug my n64 controller and take out the gc. Now they *** is grass. Usually when I win against someone who has less tech experience than me I give them tips and stuff to help them out.

My favorite person to play against is Bloob because even though I win most of the time. I still have mad fun playing against him. I love Luigi vs Mario match-ups ^^

My favorite pressure-er I've played against is probably Pikaf@g. He gives me a challenge, and always do some crazy lulz at the end. Most of the time we always end up under dreamland at the end match doing some crazy kills that I always seem to lol at.
 

th3kuzinator

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pikaf@g is zod me thinks. I have heard that he is someone in V or someone who used to be in V. Either way pikaf@g probably goes under a different name
 

Fynal

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Yea im another kind of sandbagger, the kind who isnt actually sandbagging and doesnt actually say so but thinks after every loss "some day when im pro ill say i was sandbagging all of these"
 

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Yea im another kind of sandbagger, the kind who isnt actually sandbagging and doesnt actually say so but thinks after every loss "some day when im pro ill say i was sandbagging all of these"
Thats funny because there's some guy on kaillera that i have played a ton of games with is now saying that none of our matches count because he claims he wasnt trying in ANY of them. These types of ******* and losers who are afraid to admit when they lose and john about everything is why the online smash community sucks. Just look at my signature.
 

felipe_9595

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mmmm i know guys who alude to the argument " Your Kirby is an Air camper" , and that is weird because the only thing i do is aproch and the guy star running.... True nova ?
 

WOTG

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Lol Novakane once again contributing to the closing of threads.

I just 3 frame p2p'd Legendary and he's exactly where I thought he'd be. Respectively Mid B-Tier. :)
 

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I would like to See

Peek~ vs FireBlaster

I think those matches would help me figure out who stands where. I know you guys are all either bottom A or top B
I played Fire on stream a while ago. He won like 65-35 maybe 70

B Tier:

Kabal
th3kuzinator
Surri-Sama - MarioReincarnate - thegreginator
Near - ImNotPro

Still need to play:

Fire
Koro
Many other B listers

Once I play some more people I'll throw myself in the list
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Yeah I dont know about a couple of those, it feels too close imo

Not 100% sure on greg now, I need to play him again
 

th3kuzinator

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I would bet that felipe's English is as good as Nova's if not better. All nova has is a colorful vocabulary.

/ontopic

As long as you are not in an established tournament match, anyone can claim they are sandbagging or were just playing friendlies and thus were not trying. Thats why I think this tier list should be based off of tournament data and not off of subjective opinions.

Now for the people who sandbag in tournament matches, that is just dumb IMO
 

DtJ Glyphmoney

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If you sandbag in tourneys you can't be mad when people place you low on power rankings.
 

NixxxoN

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Sandbagging in tourneys = JOHNING in tourneys, its that simple, or else they are really dumb to do so
 

felipe_9595

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Lol nova I bet 100 bucks that his english is better than your spanish
lololololooooooool XD

He got banned ? Mmmm then i know why he started to trolling me on msn XD

EDITL infraction for trolling ???' Can anybody tell em the "troll" part about this??? I said bova insulted me. So, i got infracted because nova insulted me, yeah, good logic
 

Surri-Sama

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Get outta my post Surri :mad:
LOL sorry, but you quoted a lot of BS that i didn't want in here D:


lololololooooooool XD

He got banned ? Mmmm then i know why he started to trolling me on msn XD

EDITL infraction for trolling ???' Can anybody tell em the "troll" part about this??? I said bova insulted me. So, i got infracted because nova insulted me, yeah, good logic
You and Nixxxon are both trolling NovaSmash. It's not hard to see >_>

Lets get this thread back on track people...
 

NixxxoN

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You and Nixxxon are both trolling NovaSmash. It's not hard to see >_>
Lolwhat?

I just replied nova's comments about the "learn proper english" thing, as felipe's 1st language is spanish, I hate when english speaking people accuse some foreigner of not having proper english, as if everyone in the world needs to have excellent english... Its a freakin 2nd language, id like to see some americans speaking other languages besides english -.-
 

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If you have an issue with an infraction, there's always forum support. Take it there, don't post here.

I agree that his (nova) jabs were uncalled for, but he has been banned for his actions. Neither of you two are anywhere close to the 6 points required, so I wouldn't be too upset if I were you :)
 

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Lolwhat?

I just replied nova's comments about the "learn proper english" thing, as felipe's 1st language is spanish, I hate when english speaking people accuse some foreigner of not having proper english, as if everyone in the world needs to have excellent english... Its a freakin 2nd language, id like to see some americans speaking other languages besides english -.-
English is the lingua franca (lol) for the entire world. Also the objectively best language. We don't need to speak another language because y'all can just learn English. And if you learn English in an even slightly imperfect way, then you're not worthy of associating with us native speakers, are you?
 

NixxxoN

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English is the lingua franca (lol) for the entire world. Also the objectively best language. We don't need to speak another language because y'all can just learn English. And if you learn English in an even slightly imperfect way, then you're not worthy of associating with us native speakers, are you?
lol objectively best language... there is no such thing as best language >_> every language has pros and cons
even if its supposed to be the universal language, it doesnt mean everyone has to speak it perfectly or even speak it. Dont act in a superior attitude as englsih is only a small part of the worlds languages. You know what, chinese mandarin is spoken by way more natives and dont be surprised if people has to learn it sometime in the future as China will become the #1 superpower and wiill beat the cr@p out of USA
If someone doesnt speak english is as worthy as associating with you as you are associating with them if you dont speak their language.
 
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