No L-canceling confirmed in final game.

[Eggm]

From 2 reliable sources in the nj/ny area who showed me pics of them near their copy of brawl, l-canceling is out. One of them claimed that you can do any smash out of shield including down/side smashes. I'll put more info they tell me once they stop playing to come back on aim. >.>

 

[Zenjamin]

Lcancel =/= L cancel

Lcancel= Lag cancel.


tell these people to L2 fast-fall.

 

[SuperRad]

Supposedly that got removed Zenjamin...
people from Whobby were saying so

 

[Rang Flash]

I've seen plenty of lagless aeriel attacks in videos of the final game. And all of them were fast-falled.

 

[BUM163]

there is no l canceling. my friend is playin the game n there is no l canceling. also smash counters r now not only wit up smash, but wit side smash n down smash as well.

 

[HeroXL]

whats a smash counter?

 

[Rang Flash]

Well if L-canceling is gone the game is gonna be one big shield-grab fest.

 

[Finn Macool]

isnt l cancelling done by fast falling now? if so thats a masterstroke by sakurai as pros still get all the benefits of lag cancelling while the technique is easy enough that any noob should be able to learn how to use it, even if they dont know what their doin

 

[S2]

No L-canceling, sigh.

Oh well, maybe next time.

 

[Heavyarms2050]

there no L(button)-cancel but lag (fast fall) cancel right?

 

[Rang Flash]

If Bum says there is no L-canceling then I'm gonna trust him. He beat Isai.

 

[Tony_]

Well if L-canceling is gone the game is gonna be one big shield-grab fest.

Lol no. You don't even know how the game will play.

 

[Sagacity]

Based on what I've read:

L-button cancelling was never in or has been out for a while.
In an earlier demo, lag cancelling was possible by FFing before an aerial, but supposedly this feature was removed after the demo.

I can't confirm, but that's what I believe at the moment.

 

[Rang Flash]

Lol no. You don't even know how the game will play.

Well you can't exactly say no if you haven't played it either, now can you?

 

[h1roshi]

its ok, just drop it people, there isn't l-canceling, but this is a new game, we'll find other ways to play...peace

-hiro

 

[Heavyarms2050]

i like this idea of no L-cancel. Just reduce everybody aerial lag and save yourself one less button/trigger to press

 

[darkatma]

sorry guys, looks like us peach players are going to dominate.
no l canceling but yes float canceling?
too good sakurai. too ****ing good. (sarcasm)

 

[Quarter]

I still have hope for another form of l-canceling getting in :D

 

[residentevilrulz]

well... I am a little upset with this at best. The reason being that I am a Bowser main. I was watching some vids with him and he still has that HORRIBLE lag with his back air. Like.. arg.. I don't see why it has to be taken out. It seems like it will make a lot of characters have unfair advantages over characters with a few laggy moves like Bowser, Ike, or maybe DeDeDe. I am really impressed with DeDeDe btw. Idk. I guess I won't really know until I play the game. I just worry that it won't be as competitive as melee and won't require as much skill. What I feel is that if they have taken out lag cancelling, then why not just get rid of lag all together? Now there's a novel idea. I think this is my only complaint about the game thus far. A lot of people complain about the roster, and I don't see why. The only other person I feel should have been included was Megaman because he is part of the reason Nintendo is what it is. Also, I think the online could be way cooler (headsets, usernames against random people, and rooms). But that's just my 2 cents. Take it or leave it

 

[Finn Macool]

lag cant be removed from the game thats what balances it
still maybe sakurai thought he could balance the game better without it and if hes correct then good on him

 

[Gnight]

I know how you feel, residentevilrules. Bowser is my 2nd main and no L-cancelling will majorly suck for him. No L-cancelling won't hurt Ness much though :D

 

[Rang Flash]

I'm a C. Falcon main in melee and I'm really gonna miss shffling knees and nairs. Oh well maybe it's for the best. We'll see how competative smash turns out without it.

 

[Magus420]

As Ganon I'm really gonna miss being able to like... you know... ever attack someone on the ground from the air and stuff.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H9sZ7NvHh0

>_>

 

[Kimosabae]

As Ganon I'm really gonna miss being able to like... you know... ever attack someone on the ground from the air and stuff.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H9sZ7NvHh0

>_>

I predict the likes of Peach and Marth are gonna dominate this silly little game.

TP Ganon was the only character I really wanted in Brawl -- not only is he an abomination aesthetically, I wouldn't be surprised if the lack of l-cancel makes him totally non-viable.


I mean...look at that vid. Any character with a decent DashDance is gonna fvcking own him.


-SynikaL

 

[slikvik]

As Ganon I'm really gonna miss being able to like... you know... ever attack someone on the ground from the air and stuff.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H9sZ7NvHh0

>_>

lol hes so slow. removing l-cancelling is the worst thing since...soulja boy

edit: lol @ noobs still talking about fast fall cancelling. its not in the game

 

[A Diamond For Disease]

lol hes so slow. removing l-cancelling is the worst thing since...soulja boy

That made me laugh I needed that thanks.

 

[BUM163]

well itz early in the game. ightt fellas. remember u can do an up smash wit fox, out the shield n basically everyone, but works real good wit fox. well my source told me, that he block wit his shield n smash upward, side n downward out the shield.

 

[E P I C]

Argh!! This is going to be one massive grab fest now..

 

[raphtmarqui]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H9sZ7NvHh0

Wow that's terrible
Its like they dont even want us to play this game/

 

[Eggm]

its ok, just drop it people, there isn't l-canceling, but this is a new game, we'll find other ways to play...peace

-hiro

Yeah like, for fun. xD

 

[Eternal phoenix Fire]

Dominant characters in Brawl:


MetaKnight(Virtually 0 Lag)
Pit(Low Lag, Projectile, Multi hit) Marth(He's still good)
Fox(Still pretty good)
Falco(SHL is back)
Peach(Float Cancel...-_-)
Sonic(low lag on everything but Dair)
Mario( All of his aerials but his Fair have EXTEREMLY low lag)

-_-.........

 

[Thino]

this is just to reduce skill difference between players on wi-fi lol

 

[SmashChu]

I love how everyone is making predictions based on Melee when they have yet to play Brawl.

 

[E P I C]

NVM, wrong thread.

 

[rexpro02]

LOL.... dont worry guys is still new... isai and mew2king will find a way to cancel...

 

[suzuki brawl]

LOL.... dont worry guys is still new... isai and mew2king will find a way to cancel...

you right,but maybe the auto l cancel is in

 

[ph00tbag]

I love how everyone is making predictions based on Melee when they have yet to play Brawl.

There are some things that are constant. Shield pressure and shield grab have always been important aspects of the game. Lcanceling made it possible to pressure someone's shield without fear of being grabbed. This will make aerial shield pressure much riskier and much more spacing oriented. This isn't a bad thing. I think Brawl will be a great deal more about spacing as a result, which is actually a very good thing, because there were too many ways to make up for poor spacing.

It's still sad though. I think it ends Smash's position as a high speed tech-fest, which is part of the reason watching matches was so much fun for me.

 

[XSilvenX]

There are some things that are constant. Shield pressure and shield grab have always been important aspects of the game. Lcanceling made it possible to pressure someone's shield without fear of being grabbed. This will make aerial shield pressure much riskier and much more spacing oriented. This isn't a bad thing. I think Brawl will be a great deal more about spacing as a result, which is actually a very good thing, because there were too many ways to make up for poor spacing.

It's still sad though. I think it ends Smash's position as a high speed tech-fest, which is part of the reason watching matches was so much fun for me.

Agreed...

R.I.P. (2001-2008)
-L-cancel
-Wavedashing
-Mewtwo
-Competitive Play...jk

After watching that Ganondorf target test...I think I'm gonna cry

 

[slikvik]

you right,but maybe the auto l cancel is in

or maybe people who have the game are saying it not...

 

[PrinceOfDalaam]

Wow, that ganon vid was really bad.
I guess spacing is all we have for against shieldgrabbers (which should be good enough, unless there somethings else in the game that helps)