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NJ/NY Rankings: New Rankings 9/25/12!!!
- Thread starter Keitaro
- Start date
-Remix-
Smash Journeyman
Two stocks 5 minutes...?
That's an awful idea Imo.
That's an awful idea Imo.
_Yes!_
Smash Hero
We tried it before, and it was an awful idea.
Keitaro
Banned via Administration
I just don't like the sd factor. Its one thing most fighting games don't have to deal with and is the reason I was questioning 3 stocks for brawl back in Feb 2008.
The less stocks are in the match, the more an sd counts against the player. And sds happen pretty often in both Melee and Brawl.
Not only sds, but bull**** mistakes, gimps, etc. We already hear enough players trying to blame losess on sds. Using these rules will actually make their johns legit.
The less stocks are in the match, the more an sd counts against the player. And sds happen pretty often in both Melee and Brawl.
Not only sds, but bull**** mistakes, gimps, etc. We already hear enough players trying to blame losess on sds. Using these rules will actually make their johns legit.
-Remix-
Smash Journeyman
What's even more surprising is that 7 people voted for it on the aib poll...
And don't ban mk. That's our whole state. :3
And don't ban mk. That's our whole state. :3
ksizl4life
Smash Hero
i dont agree with 2 stock rule but i also disagree with keit.
if you dont know how to control your character correctly after 3 years, eat a ****. no good players should be sd'ing by now, especially if your mk.
gimps are a different story though.
if you dont know how to control your character correctly after 3 years, eat a ****. no good players should be sd'ing by now, especially if your mk.
gimps are a different story though.
Nairo
Banned via Administration
some1 give me a ride to jbands thing today i didnt know until now :I
Max Ketchum
Collegiate Starleague Smash Director
"SDs hurt more" is such a terrible, ridiculous reason not to run two stocks. Who cares if people will john more and possibly get away with it?
Gimps being half a match also means that you only have to come back from a one stock deficit to win the game if you got gimped, or that you only have to take two of your opponent's stocks before they gimp you. Every argument about two stocks kind of goes both ways. ICs only need two grabs to win, but their opponents only need to get that kill on Nana twice to screw Popo over. Wario's fart can take half the game at 50%, but you only need to kill him twice. The only things that undoubtedly change for sure are Lucario losing the two stock deficit aura buff, and Pokemon Trainer not having to use Ivysaur.
I'd like to hear better arguments against the two stock ruleset, because right now I'm a very big fan of it.
Gimps being half a match also means that you only have to come back from a one stock deficit to win the game if you got gimped, or that you only have to take two of your opponent's stocks before they gimp you. Every argument about two stocks kind of goes both ways. ICs only need two grabs to win, but their opponents only need to get that kill on Nana twice to screw Popo over. Wario's fart can take half the game at 50%, but you only need to kill him twice. The only things that undoubtedly change for sure are Lucario losing the two stock deficit aura buff, and Pokemon Trainer not having to use Ivysaur.
I'd like to hear better arguments against the two stock ruleset, because right now I'm a very big fan of it.
ksizl4life
Smash Hero
yea you kinda destroy a big part of a viable characters metagame by taking lucarios stock.
you definitely change the metagegame and tourney experience for alot of characters and people respectively but it isnt necessarily for the better.
dont think itll ever be the standard but i see it as a fast side event if its fun/successful
you definitely change the metagegame and tourney experience for alot of characters and people respectively but it isnt necessarily for the better.
dont think itll ever be the standard but i see it as a fast side event if its fun/successful
Max Ketchum
Collegiate Starleague Smash Director
Changing those things isn't necessarily for the worse, either. I think it's at the very least worth a try as a main event of a tournament of respectable size. When I say I'm very for the idea, I mean that I'm very for testing it in an actual event so it actually gets some degree of legitimate exposure. It's too early to tell if it should be the new standard, but there's no way it's not at least worth a shot imo.
Keitaro
Banned via Administration
The main thing is that its a fad. Just like mk being banned. Its not good practice for NJ/NY imo.
Max Ketchum
Collegiate Starleague Smash Director
MK being banned isn't exactly a fad. It's kind of been going strong for a long time and has seen another large resurgence recently. I think the only reason it died down was because that last BBR poll ruled in favor of keeping him legal.
KageMurphy
Smash Master
I'm glad you're not an idiot Keitaro, that 2 stock thing is just garbage, just like using a 1.1 gravity or w/e was to change the weight of characters. Lucky for me no TOs here are radical nut jobs, mainly cause I have influence.
_Yes!_
Smash Hero
So you'd only have to land two grabs to win instead of three right
I'm glad you're not an idiot Phil :DI'm glad you're not an idiot Keitaro, that 2 stock thing is just garbage, just like using a 1.1 gravity or w/e was to change the weight of characters. Lucky for me no TOs here are radical nut jobs, mainly cause I have influence.
Max Ketchum
Collegiate Starleague Smash Director
Changing the physics of the game and changing the stock count are completely different...you are hardly changing the actual gameplay with two stocks, and the changes that do come aren't in the game's physics. Brawl with two stocks is still the same game as it is with three. Brawl with 1.1x damage ratio is not.
_Yes!_
Smash Hero
It'll only make tournies run faster, plus the effects on lucario and whatever else happens to other characters. As far as making tournies run faster, that'd be awesome, because 10 hour events are very tiring.
WedginatorX
Smash Champion
Keitaro
Banned via Administration
lol, awesome pic.
Max Ketchum
Collegiate Starleague Smash Director
Disappointing a few Lucario players is worth the faster tournaments. Also, quicker matches make playing and watching the game much more tolerable.
WedginatorX
Smash Champion
Yes, keitaro, it is an awesome pic. REMINDS ME OF FIGHTING THIS ONE FALCO AT COT5.
_Yes!_
Smash Hero
I agree somewhat. But I won't be around for it, so whatever happens, happens?
Inferno3044
Smash Master
Im in favor of this. Delta's sets will only take 15 minutes.
Nairo
Banned via Administration
2 stocks is so lame ending tournies early is lame 2
VideoKidHEERO
Smash Champion
May have found a new venue...
Will keep you guys updated.
Will keep you guys updated.
professor mgw
Smash Champion
-Remix-
Smash Journeyman
I could have went to imperial era today.. fml lol.
Delta-cod
Smash Hero
Has anyone gotten on Yes's venue for another tournament yet?
ksizl4life
Smash Hero
its booked till the middle of november
Keitaro
Banned via Administration
The price to use that venue has increased by $100+ so I don't think people wanna use it anymore. Yes got lucky the time he used it and they gave him a cheaper price than they were supposed to. If 60+ people go then its fine to use the venue, otherwise its a big risk.
Dr.Brawl
Smash Ace
*dead*
Amazing reads
However Doom's rules seem a little odd. SDs are punished harder, and it have people time out more often. I think that double MK should be banned from doubles, and run the rest of the tournament the way it would normally run.
Max Ketchum
Collegiate Starleague Smash Director
1. SDs are a terrible reason to dislike two stocks
2. Even if timeouts happen more, they're only five minutes long
3. It's not guaranteed that it'll be happening
2. Even if timeouts happen more, they're only five minutes long
3. It's not guaranteed that it'll be happening
-Remix-
Smash Journeyman
I like taking 5 minutes and being patient on my first two stocks though..
Delta-cod
Smash Hero
Thanks for the quick responses.
KT Kasrani
Smash Champion
ewww 2 stock 5 min...
wat if u get dsmashed by TL at lik 10% and die?
thats GAME
wat if u get dsmashed by TL at lik 10% and die?
thats GAME
Max Ketchum
Collegiate Starleague Smash Director
1. Your fault for SDIing forward (TL can't force the death, I believe) just like it would be with 3 stocks
2. You only have to kill him twice to win the match now
2. You only have to kill him twice to win the match now
KageMurphy
Smash Master
2 stock 5 min is so bad. That makes Ice Climbers have to put in less work to win with their broken infinite(2 grabs vs 3), it screws Lucarios aura up and Wario loses waft time. Garbzzzzzzz. And lol, don't tell anyone that SDs are a bad reason to dislike it, you don't get to pick why people can dislike something.
Delta-cod
Smash Hero
2 stock 5 min is so good. That makes other characters have to put in less effort to beat the Ice Climbers (2 separations vs 3), it screws Lucarios aura up if he's 2 stocks down in a 3 stock match (bawwwwww), and Wario needs less wafts to win. Amazinnnnnnng. And lol, SDs are a bad reason to call something unviable because it's people's own damn fault for being unable to control their own character.2 stock 5 min is so bad. That makes Ice Climbers have to put in less work to win with their broken infinite(2 grabs vs 3), it screws Lucarios aura up and Wario loses waft time. Garbzzzzzzz. And lol, don't tell anyone that SDs are a bad reason to dislike it, you don't get to pick why people can dislike something.
Max Ketchum
Collegiate Starleague Smash Director
It also makes the ICs opponents only need to gimp Nana twice to win. Lucario's aura is a legit change, but it goes the other way too--he'll never be so severely weak from being two stocks ahead, and he'll also only ever have to take one stock to be tied with the opponent. Wario still has plenty of time to charge the fart (hardly, he has 2.5 minutes per stock vs. 2.67), and one fart kill is a larger percent of the match taken away.
The game will be slightly different. That's all I'm seeing. Why is that such a terrible thing? Different is not always worse (nor is it always better). Plus, have you ever actually played it? Give it a shot instead of just saying "this is bad because it's different and I think it's bad." Orion and I played it for a while and it's surprisingly refreshing.
Edit: lol, Delta beat me to it basically. I should rephrase what I said about SDs being a bad reason to DISLIKE the format; more that they're a horrid argument against its use.
The game will be slightly different. That's all I'm seeing. Why is that such a terrible thing? Different is not always worse (nor is it always better). Plus, have you ever actually played it? Give it a shot instead of just saying "this is bad because it's different and I think it's bad." Orion and I played it for a while and it's surprisingly refreshing.
Edit: lol, Delta beat me to it basically. I should rephrase what I said about SDs being a bad reason to DISLIKE the format; more that they're a horrid argument against its use.
WedginatorX
Smash Champion
Welp, if people do start hosting with 2 stock 5 minutes (which didn't work before), a yoshi and a sonic are going to be timing out the whole state.