Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

[Oracle Link]

Would it be weird to suggest the following for a new Smash Bros.?

• Donkey Kong gets his new design, while King Dedede retains his current Smash look.
• Veteran fighters get new amiibo ‘Series 2’ reposes.
• Battlefield and Final Destination’s new aesthetic being a patchwork of the major Nintendo franchises (or at least the ones of today).

I pretty much think thatll happen!
For one sakurai consistently keep kirby characters with designs/abilities he made hence sakurai bias!
Meanwhile other then his obsesion with normal monkey stuff for dk/diddy he seems to have no stake in that series (unlike kirby, icarus and fir emblem)

Definitly overdue dont get me wrong nor every character needs it but the fact we dont gave alttp zelda or oot ganon was always riddicoulous so i think adding new poses+ more alts (maybe dark link or a new samus suit) makes perfect sense!

I think it should stay neutral but please anything asside from grassy waste land and epilipsy space i beg you! I wanna see some more colourfull and cgarming versions for both! (Maybe with ultimates returning gir those who want it)

 

[GoldenYuiitusin]

If Smash 6 is really coming in 2027-9 then it’s already too late in my opinion for Meowscarada or even Gen 9 in general unless it’s late generation pick such as Ogrepon.

It’s probably Gen 10 or even 11 unless they break cycle of picking an early development Pokemon.

Give it time. The Smash fandom will be pushing for "-insert new Grass starter name's- Final Evo" soon enough once we see Gen 10.

Honestly surprised we haven't had an uptick in Meganium "support" once we saw Chikorita as Z-A's token Grass starter.

 

[Will]

Sakurai asks you to title the newest Smash Bros entry. What do you choose and why?

 

[RodNutTakin]

Sakurai asks you to title the newest Smash Bros entry. What do you choose and why?

Depends on what kind of direction the new title is going for in terms of content.
If the focus is mainly on expanding the scope and amount of series represented beyond what Ultimate had (even if EiH doesn't happen again for it), Super Smash Bros. Unlimited would be my pick (with Japan perhaps instead getting Great Fray Smash Bros. Infinity).

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

Sakurai asks you to title the newest Smash Bros entry. What do you choose and why?

Super Smash Bros: Eternal

Feels like one of the few titles that can follow up something like 'Ultimate' and can be a bit of a joke about how the gap between games was noticeably longer, how this may be Sakurai's final Smash game, how the series can be replayed for eternity, etc. etc.

It's a bit generic, but it'd probably be my choice.

 

[Thegameandwatch]

Honestly surprised we haven't had an uptick in Meganium "support" once we saw Chikorita as Z-A's token Grass starter.

I think it’s not really talked about because it was announced as the starter of Z-A before Sakurai’s new game was revealed to not be Smash 6.

 

[ninjahmos]

I'm gonna quote myself from another thread:

I kinda wanna see Klonoa get into Smash. They should use his designs from Klonoa: Door into Phantomile, Klonoa 2: Lunatea's Veil and the Wii remake of both games, and they should give him Smash remixes of The Windmill Song, Untamed Heart, Hyuponia/Ruin of Sadness and King of Sorrow's Theme.

Oh, and one of his taunts should be "Wahoo!"

 

[Kirbeh]

Honestly surprised we haven't had an uptick in Meganium "support" once we saw Chikorita as Z-A's token Grass starter.

The Chikorita line isn't quite as popular as Sceptile, Decidueye or even Meowscarada. I don't think there are enough people to rally behind Meganium for it to be "visible." Another factor could be its body type. People may have more difficulty imagining a moveset for Meganium (and Torterra as another example,) compared to the bipeds with weapons woven into their designs.

Sakurai asks you to title the newest Smash Bros entry. What do you choose and why?

Super Smash Bros. Again, for the Seventh Time

Because it'd be funny.

 

[GoldenYuiitusin]

I think it’s not really talked about because it was announced as the starter of Z-A before Sakurai’s new game was revealed to not be Smash 6.

The Chikorita line isn't quite as popular as Sceptile, Decidueye or even Meowscarada. I don't think there are enough people to rally behind Meganium for it to be "visible." Another factor could be its body type. People may have more difficulty imagining a moveset for Meganium (and Torterra as another example,) compared to the bipeds with weapons woven into their designs.

I was being mostly facetious when bringing up Meganium lol. I just like to take potshots at the fandom for constantly defaulting to the Grass starter even before they know what the final evolution looks like.

That being said, the Smash fandom as a whole doesn't know if there could be a new variant for Meganium to work with.

Spoiler

There isn't. Only a Mega Evolution.

 

[Hydreigonfan01]

Super Smash Bros: Eternal

Feels like one of the few titles that can follow up something like 'Ultimate' and can be a bit of a joke about how the gap between games was noticeably longer, how this may be Sakurai's final Smash game, how the series can be replayed for eternity, etc. etc.

It's a bit generic, but it'd probably be my choice.

It would be really funny if that was the actual name they went for and we got Doom Guy as a playable character then.

 

[Noipoi]

Sakurai asks you to title the newest Smash Bros entry. What do you choose and why?

I still believe in Super Smash Bros: Rumble

 

[ninjahmos]

Sakurai asks you to title the newest Smash Bros entry. What do you choose and why?

Well, if the next game decides to go in a direction that's different from Ultimate, I'd say either of these two titles could work:

Super Smash Bros. Outset

or

Super Smash Bros. Advent

 

[Will]

Super Smash Bros. Again, for the Seventh Time

Because it'd be funny.

Super Smash Bros. for the Nintendo Switch 2 type beat

Super Smash Bros: Eternal

Feels like one of the few titles that can follow up something like 'Ultimate' and can be a bit of a joke about how the gap between games was noticeably longer, how this may be Sakurai's final Smash game, how the series can be replayed for eternity, etc. etc.

It's a bit generic, but it'd probably be my choice.

My choice would be ‘Apex’, for similar reasons

Depends on what kind of direction the new title is going for in terms of content.
If the focus is mainly on expanding the scope and amount of series represented beyond what Ultimate had (even if EiH doesn't happen again for it), Super Smash Bros. Unlimited would be my pick (with Japan perhaps instead getting Great Fray Smash Bros. Infinity).

I don’t really think about how there are regional differences in the name of the game. Now that I think of it, I can’t think of another game series that still does that at all

I still believe in Super Smash Bros: Rumble

Only if they hire Michael Buffer as the announcer

 

[Ivander]

The Chikorita line isn't quite as popular as Sceptile, Decidueye or even Meowscarada. I don't think there are enough people to rally behind Meganium for it to be "visible." Another factor could be its body type. People may have more difficulty imagining a moveset for Meganium (and Torterra as another example,) compared to the bipeds with weapons woven into their designs.

I was being mostly facetious when bringing up Meganium lol. I just like to take potshots at the fandom for constantly defaulting to the Grass starter even before they know what the final evolution looks like.

That being said, they Smash fandom as a whole doesn't know if there could be a new variant for Meganium to work with.

Spoiler

There isn't. Only a Mega Evolution.

Meganium probably wouldn't be that much different from a bigger and tankier Ivysaur. Though Meganium surprisingly wouldn't be that much larger, if it's 5'11 height is anything to go by. Meganium would probably have more energy attacks to differentiate from Ivysaur's more physical arsenal of Bullet Seed and Razor Leaf.
Gen 8 did introduce something called Grassy Glide, though it might not be a literal glide. Besides that, Meganium could also use something like Petal Blizzard to give a push upwards from the windstorm it conjures below it for a recovery move. But if all else fails, Meganium can use Vine Whip(something that ironically it cannot learn by itself, but from a Egg-move. Because if you watched the Johto anime, Ash's Chikorita and Bayleef were a pretty common user of Vine Whip, which makes the fact that it cannot learn Vine Whip on it's own all the more hilarious to think about).

But let's be honest. All Sakurai would need to do is give Meganium something like this to make the watchers go from "" to "" in seconds:

A big Brontosaurus-like Pokemon being cute and adorable would definitely win over a good number of people if Jeff the Shark is anything to look at.

 

[Guynamednelson]

Gen 8 did introduce something called Grassy Glide, though it might not be a literal glide.

"Gliding on the ground, the user attacks the target."
It's a glide alright, just not an airborne one. The Japanese name calls it "Grass Slider" so I don't think Sakurai would think of it being the aerial kind of glide anyway.

 

[GoldenYuiitusin]

Meganium probably wouldn't be that much different from a bigger and tankier Ivysaur. Though Meganium surprisingly wouldn't be that much larger, if it's 5'11 height is anything to go by. Meganium would probably have more energy attacks to differentiate from Ivysaur's more physical arsenal of Bullet Seed and Razor Leaf.
Gen 8 did introduce something called Grassy Glide, though it might not be a literal glide. Besides that, Meganium could also use something like Petal Blizzard to give a push upwards from the windstorm it conjures below it for a recovery move. But if all else fails, Meganium can use Vine Whip(something that ironically it cannot learn by itself, but from a Egg-move. Because if you watched the Johto anime, Ash's Chikorita and Bayleef were a pretty common user of Vine Whip, which makes the fact that it cannot learn Vine Whip on it's own all the more hilarious to think about).

But let's be honest. All Sakurai would need to do is give Meganium something like this to make the watchers go from "" to "" in seconds:

A big Brontosaurus-like Pokemon being cute and adorable would definitely win over a good number of people if Jeff the Shark is anything to look at.

I was going to point out how Meganium has more to work with than say, Torterra when the subject came up about body type, but that was already more effort than I wanted to put in for something I wasn't being serious about in the first place lol.

 

[Kirbeh]

Meganium probably wouldn't be that much different from a bigger and tankier Ivysaur. Though Meganium surprisingly wouldn't be that much larger, if it's 5'11 height is anything to go by. Meganium would probably have more energy attacks to differentiate from Ivysaur's more physical arsenal of Bullet Seed and Razor Leaf.
Gen 8 did introduce something called Grassy Glide, though it might not be a literal glide. Besides that, Meganium could also use something like Petal Blizzard to give a push upwards from the windstorm it conjures below it for a recovery move. But if all else fails, Meganium can use Vine Whip(something that ironically it cannot learn by itself, but from a Egg-move. Because if you watched the Johto anime, Ash's Chikorita and Bayleef were a pretty common user of Vine Whip, which makes the fact that it cannot learn Vine Whip on it's own all the more hilarious to think about).

But let's be honest. All Sakurai would need to do is give Meganium something like this to make the watchers go from "" to "" in seconds:

A big Brontosaurus-like Pokemon being cute and adorable would definitely win over a good number of people if Jeff the Shark is anything to look at.

I think there's plenty you could do with Meganium, no disagreement there, but I'm talking about the average player that doesn't spend half their time obsessively speculating on how characters could work in Smash. Bipedal ninja lizard and archer owl are easier to grasp/visualize at a glance (and again, the line has generally ranked lower than other starters. Less people that would actively want it compared to the other options.)

Disagree on the second point personally, being cute would probably win some people over but I wager you'd still have way more questioning why they didn't pick a "better" grass starter or just a more popular Pokémon in general. (I also don't like Reindog, so the little dance in this example does nothing for me )

 

[GoldenYuiitusin]

I think there's plenty you could do with Meganium, no disagreement there, but I'm talking about the average player that doesn't spend half their time obsessively speculating on how characters could work in Smash. Bipedal ninja lizard and archer owl are easier to grasp/visualize at a glance

Yes but, we're talking about the same fandom that latched onto the owl before they had any idea it was an archer, with only the orb first stage to go by.

And the monkey before people saw the drummer gorilla (and before soccer bunny usurped speculation not for what it can do, but because "SHILL").

And the cat before anyone knew it would be some street magician.

It's always been Grass type first, what they can do second. Even with Sceptile. They weren't looking at "ninja lizard" (especially since we literally just had "ninja frog" immediately before). They were looking at "Grass type" and "promote inevitable remakes".

 

[Ivander]

Disagree on the second point personally, being cute would probably win some people over but I wager you'd still have way more questioning why they didn't pick a "better" grass starter or just a more popular Pokémon in general.

I wasn't aware Smogon had entered the chat....yes yes, I'll get the sign up and standing.

 

[dream1ng]

Sakurai asks you to title the newest Smash Bros entry. What do you choose and why?

Melee 2

But it's just a normal Smash entry

 

[Kirbeh]

Yes but, we're talking about the same fandom that latched onto the owl before they had any idea it was an archer, with only the orb first stage to go by.

And the monkey before people saw the drummer gorilla (and before soccer bunny usurped speculation not for what it can do, but because "SHILL").

And the cat before anyone knew it would be some street magician.

It's always been Grass type first, what they can do second. Even with Sceptile. They weren't looking at "ninja lizard" (especially since we literally just had "ninja frog" immediately before). They were looking at "Grass type" and "promote inevitable remakes".

True, but those are different conversations. Speculation supporting the "new thing" for promotional purposes isn't quite the same when the "current options" are known Pokémon.

I was only addressing why Meganium wasn't being rallied behind (which you've also stated was a facetious question to begin with.) Regardless of whether it was serious or not, the Chikorita line's (comparative) lack of popularity and anatomy/proportions are imo, still reasonable explanations for why it's not being pushed compared to choices that were at the time unknown but "expected" in Gen 8's case and actively wanted in Decidueye/Sceptile's.

I completely agree that the expectation for "grass starter from new game to complete the type trio" is a silly expectation to begin with. No argument there. I'm just unsurprised that Meganium isn't benefiting from it.

I wasn't aware Smogon had entered the chat....yes yes, I'll get the sign up and standing.

I don't think the competitive scene is a factor here tbh, "better" in this case would be referring to other traits related to design not to stats.

I get that it's a joke, but it's not my opinion, just what I've observed. Generally speaking, Sceptile and Decidueye are considered to be cool, Meganium is not. They're relatively easier to translate to a fighting game, Meganium is seen as requiring more effort. That's all I'm saying.

 

[GoldenYuiitusin]

Melee 2

But it's just a normal Smash entry

It's just what Sakurai wanted to avoid with Brawl.
It's just a port of Melee with online.

And it's PAL.

And the Melee people don't play it because they can't successfully do the clicky-clacky with the shribble dibble while performing the Wubba Dubba glitch only possible using a rare defect controller with a crooked control stick on a CRT that's about to crap out and on a Ver. 1.5 copy of the game.

 

[Perkilator]

Sakurai asks you to title the newest Smash Bros entry. What do you choose and why?

I’m still a believer in Super Smash Bros. Great Fray

 

[Ivander]

I don't think the competitive scene is a factor here tbh, "better" in this case would be referring to other traits related to design not to stats.

I get that it's a joke, but it's not my opinion, just what I've observed. Generally speaking, Sceptile and Decidueye are considered to be cool, Meganium is not.

Well part of the joke is that the higher-tiered Pokemon are more then often the ones people think are cool. Which tends to be relevant to "meta" as some higher-tiered characters in any type of game are not so much a "better" character than others and more that they are the "more picked" characters because of their popularity.

And let's be honest, a character being high-tier can certainly affect their popularity. looks at Reinhardt from Fire Emblem Heroes

 

[HyperSomari64]

Sakurai asks you to title the newest Smash Bros entry. What do you choose and why?

SUPER SMASH BROTHERS UNLEASHED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(yeah, pretty generic but it's my first pick)

 

[CosmicEternity44]

SUPER SMASH BROTHERS UNLEASHED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(yeah, pretty generic but it's my first pick)

And guess what?

Everyone has a Weremonster form in this game like with Sonic in Sonic Unleashed.

 

[Nabbitfan730]

Watching the Marvel vs Capcom 3 intro with Dante vs Deadpool has got me thinking....

When Smash 6 rolls round with the announcement trailers, what match-up fights do you want Digital Frontier to animate? i.e Mario vs Charizard, Link vs Pit, Lucina vs Falcon etc

Personally I would like to see:

Mega Man vs Metal Sonic
Daisy vs Tifa
Samus vs Chief
Sora vs Pit
Pikachu vs Agumon
Piranha Plant vs Waluigi
Geno vs Rosalina
Shadow vs Sephiroth

 

[Guynamednelson]

Well part of the joke is that the higher-tiered Pokemon are more then often the ones people think are cool. Which tends to be relevant to "meta" as some higher-tiered characters in any type of game are not so much a "better" character than others and more that they are the "more picked" characters because of their popularity.

And let's be honest, a character being high-tier can certainly affect their popularity. looks at Reinhardt from Fire Emblem Heroes

At the same time, when a Pokemon is high-tier in Smash, it...tends to be less OU and more Little Cup. Look at Pikachu's high tier track record vs. how Mewtwo was only ever good in post-patch 4, for example.

 

[Laniv]

Sakurai asks you to title the newest Smash Bros entry. What do you choose and why?

Super Smash Bros. Again.

Because it's more of the same. (Relevant bit's at 3:54)

 

[Dukefire]

I have said it before and I'll ask again. What do you think about Indie characters and their chances for the next game? So far, Assist Trophy, Spirits and Premium Mii Costumes are the closest they gotten before fighter status.

Of course, some come and go based on their popularity and impact.

 

[ninjahmos]

I still think that, if the next Smash game should look even remotely different from previous titles, cel-shaded graphics, certain veteran reworks and more variety between stages and newcomers would go a long way.

 

[Kirby Dragons]

Sakurai asks you to title the newest Smash Bros entry. What do you choose and why?

Depends on if there's some kind of theme or not. I imagined a game that adds lots of content from past Nintendo series, and named it Super Smash Bros. Legacy. But if it's just a standard Smash game, I'd use a synonym for "fight" or "hit". Super Smash Bros. Strike, Super Smash Bros. Combat, Super Smash Bros. Battle, etc.

 

[KillerCage]

The premise and writing. And the tone too to an extent. I can enjoy things being goofy and over the top but I felt like it often clashed with premise. I also felt like there wasn't enough time to get to know some characters, with only a few being likable imo. And since it's (for the most part) a visual novel, it kind of lives or dies by its characters and writing.

I will say that I haven't tried any other games in the series so maybe those improve the writing or offer new gameplay elements to supplement things but the first left a pretty poor impression.

I will say that I do dislike Monokuma, but a character with a similar personality isn't necessarily a bad thing in my eyes. For Monokuma it's a combination of factors, with better writing I may have enjoyed them more.

Then you should be okay with playing through Rain Code. There is an overall mystery the characters are trying to solve while they work as detectives in a location that does not welcome detectives. The two leads (Yuma and Shinigami) get plenty of development and the main cast get some development as well. I can think of two characters you might dislike; one of them being a pervert and the other was written to be VERY unlikable. Much as the characters outside of the main cast are only relevant in their respective chapters including much of the antagonists. There is a tonal shift in the last two chapters because the twist is very dark.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

One character possibility that's being overlooked is the Tenno (likely Excalibur specifically) from Warframe. I don't think it's a front runner or anything, but Warframe got Spirits in Ultimate, so it's definitely an option.

And guess what?

Everyone has a Weremonster form in this game like with Sonic in Sonic Unleashed.

The Werehog battle theme interrupts the music anytime the stage takes place at night.

Super Smash Bros. Again.

Because it's more of the same. (Relevant bit's at 3:54)

My Marvel Rivals brainrot insists that this is a Winter Soldier clip.

...

It was not, but this was much more entertaining.

 

[Fa7oFuru]

I think there are some constants that we can bank on, like the inclusion of Inkling or Isabelle in Smash Ultimate was gonna make sense whether it released in 2018 or 2028. Similarly the continued growth of Splatoon and Animal Crossing makes more characters from these series similarly practical to speculate on now, because that's showing no signs of slowing down and given their relative significance they have some catching up to do. Tom Nook, KK Slider, Squid Sisters etc are characters who will be Nintendo icons for realistically as long as these series continue to move units. Not to mention someone new from Mario, and so forth.

The major variables are gonna be those more time sensitive picks though, your Pokemon / Fire Emblem / Xenoblade etc. It feels shaky to put too much stock in Meowscarada or Alear or whoever when we don't know if their time in the sun will last long enough for whenever this next Smash drops. Alear I'd argue is already well outside that window, but I digress. These are the ones most susceptible to being affected.

Third parties are a bit tough just because a lot of people speak in blanket terms about them when there's a pretty clear distinction between practical "base game" third parties and practical "DLC" third parties. Sometimes it's unclear what people are referring to. Sakurai saying good things about a game is hardly much to work with though, since he's praised dozens and dozens of games in his Famitsu column that can only retroactively be attributed to Smash if the situation arises.

To the later half of this post, I wonder how Geno would fit into the time sensitive decision making. SMRPG got a remake in 2023 so it's not... too late(?) and it's the biggest breakthrough his name recognition has gotten in... well, being honest, since the OG SMRPG released on the SNES. He's my most wanted -- quite frankly my only active need in terms of the next Smash's roster so if he gets in = I'm content for the rest of the game's long-term lifespan. However, despite the remake people do tend to still dismiss his chances. I guess it really depends on Square-Enix but I could very easily see a Switch 2 update in resolution and SE being like "**** it, while we're at it Sakurai you can have him for base if we have (X many) characters for DLC".

As for the rest of your post, I agree. It really depends on when the game had started development because at this point in time, in the year 2025 there's no way it's not being developed so now's more of a matter of what games fell in-line with the timing of development. It kinda makes me think that characters like an Elden Ring character would be way too late for being chosen but big name games like that being pushed with the launch of Switch 2... idk, I could still see that game being represented in some way

 

[Gorgonzales]

I have said it before and I'll ask again. What do you think about Indie characters and their chances for the next game? So far, Assist Trophy, Spirits and Premium Mii Costumes are the closest they gotten before fighter status.

Of course, some come and go based on their popularity and impact.

I feel like we've treaded this same discussion topic like 17 different times already

 

[DarthEnderX]

Sakurai asks you to title the newest Smash Bros entry. What do you choose and why?

Super Smash Bros. 6. Because random subtitles are dumb. And Mario Kart 7 & 8 proved you don't need them.

What do you think about Indie characters and their chances for the next game? So far, Assist Trophy, Spirits and Premium Mii Costumes are the closest they gotten before fighter status.

I think that's the appropriate level of representation for indie characters.

 

[GoldenYuiitusin]

I have said it before and I'll ask again. What do you think about Indie characters and their chances for the next game? So far, Assist Trophy, Spirits and Premium Mii Costumes are the closest they gotten before fighter status.

Of course, some come and go based on their popularity and impact.

I don't think being an indie is any specific barrier for entry, but I also don't think being an indie helps at all either other than being relatively easy to get content for.

It really depends on the game/character.

Like I could see for example an Undertale character be legitimately considered as a fighter whether it's Sans (with or without Papyrus), The Human/Frisk, etc. But that's because Undertale is Undertale more than anything else, its indie status being irrelevant.

 

[dream1ng]

Watching the Marvel vs Capcom 3 intro with Dante vs Deadpool has got me thinking....

When Smash 6 rolls round with the announcement trailers, what match-up fights do you want Digital Frontier to animate? i.e Mario vs Charizard, Link vs Pit, Lucina vs Falcon etc

Personally I would like to see:

Mega Man vs Metal Sonic
Daisy vs Tifa
Samus vs Chief
Sora vs Pit
Pikachu vs Agumon
Piranha Plant vs Waluigi
Geno vs Rosalina
Shadow vs Sephiroth

A trailer that starts with Mario vs. Sonic that cuts to Link vs. Cloud that cuts to Samus vs. Master Chief (and then they all converge) as a reveal for the latter would definitely butter my croissant. Especially whenever the choir kicks in.

 

[Dukefire]

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I don't think being an indie is any specific barrier for entry, but I also don't think being an indie helps at all either other than being relatively easy to get content for.

It really depends on the game/character.

Like I could see for example an Undertale character be legitimately considered as a fighter whether it's Sans (with or without Papyrus), The Human/Frisk, etc. But that's because Undertale is Undertale more than anything else, its indie status being irrelevant.

I think that indie (title category) might be another fan made barrier for those that want more debates once a Smash Bros title is announced or teased.

This will be the last time I ask about it. Better to set it to rest before losing sanity.

Also, here is the DK Bananza full demo gameplay from Prosafia. Just remember to watch out for this channel and other on the full game releases as they have early copies.