Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

[Sucumbio]

This convo spurred a desire in me to make a Bamco fighting roster. I'd tried it beforehand, but always gave up early on. I already have a decent idea of which characters I wanna add, but do you have any suggestions yourself? Some picks you think would be fun?

This goes for other people here too btw, I want yall's feedback on this

Aside from Tekken I'd love to see Soul Calibur reps. KOS-MOS too.

 

[Janx_uwu]

This convo spurred a desire in me to make a Bamco fighting roster. I'd tried it beforehand, but always gave up early on. I already have a decent idea of which characters I wanna add, but do you have any suggestions yourself? Some picks you think would be fun?

This goes for other people here too btw, I want yall's feedback on this

idk about characters (namco arcade games that aren't Pac-Man And Friends (TM) are hard to research) but as far as stages go, I'd love to have a WonderMomo show on the roster.

 

[Speed Weed]

If I say Klonoa, will you get mad at me?

Klonoa is maybe a bit less important than people make him out to be but he's cute and he does show up in stuff so I think he's a reasonable addition

 

[HyperSomari64]

I have no idea how Mario and Rayman are lumped onto the "Scrimblo Bimblo" category even if they aren't anthropomorphic animals.

 

[TCT~Phantom]

Currently brainstorming content for Scarlet and Violet beyond just a playable Pokemon. I might make a moveset for my most wanted pick, but I figured the other representation would be interesting. Do keep in mind there will be spoilers

Spoiler: Stage and Music

 

[osby]

I have how Mario and Rayman are lumped onto the "Scrimblo Bimblo" category even if they aren't anthropomorphic animals.

You don't need to be an animal to be a Scrimblo Bimblo. Being a platformer character dating back to the 90s and having a fandom that thinks hating anime is a personality suffices.

 

[HyperSomari64]

You don't need to be an animal to be a Scrimblo Bimblo. Being a platformer character dating back to the 90s and having a fandom that thinks hating anime is a personality suffices.

There are Scrimblos that aren't from platformers like PAC-MAN and Bomberman (both from maze games), and some whose games were released before or after the 90s (like Alex Kidd or Ratchet & Clank.

 

[osby]

There are Scrimblos that aren't from platformers like PAC-MAN and Bomberman (both from maze games), and some whose games were released before or after the 90s (like Alex Kidd or Ratchet & Clank.

Could've been worse. Imagine people calling a character an anime swordfighter when they're from a video game.

That would truly be horrifying if it was real.

 

[chocolatejr9]

Could've been worse. Imagine people calling character anime swordfighter when they're from a video game.

That would truly be horrifying if it was real.

Especially if they were referring to a Fire Emblem character. That would be AWFUL.

 

[Will]

Could've been worse. Imagine people calling a character an anime swordfighter when they're from a video game.

That would truly be horrifying if it was real.

We’d call it a shower thought, but I don’t think those types of people want to be associated with showers.

 

[Ivander]

This convo spurred a desire in me to make a Bamco fighting roster. I'd tried it beforehand, but always gave up early on. I already have a decent idea of which characters I wanna add, but do you have any suggestions yourself? Some picks you think would be fun?

This goes for other people here too btw, I want yall's feedback on this

So I can give a list of Namco games and franchises in general for looking at ideas for characters, stages and whatnot. Let's start with the classic Arcade games first:
-Pac-Man
-Rally-X
-Galaxian/Galaga
-Bravoman
-Baraduke
-Dig Dug
-Mappy
-Legend of Valkyrie
-Tower of Duraga
-Genpai Toma Den
-Wonder Momo
-Dragon Buster
-Dragon Spirit
-Yokai Dochuki
-Metro-Cross
-Sky Kid
-Libble Rabble
-Splatterhouse
-Phelios
-Marvel Land(not to be confused with Legend of Valkyrie's Marvel Land).
-Pole Position
-Bosconian/Star Luster
-Xevious
-Steel Gunner
-Point Blank
-Time Crisis
-Thunder Ceptor

Now to the more modern/console titles:
-Tekken
-Ridge Racer
-Tales of
-Soul Calibur
-Dark Souls/Elden Ring
-God Eater
-Ace Combat
-Taiko no Tatsujin
-dot.hack
-Mr. Driller/Star Trigon
-Xenosaga
-Klonoa
-Super Robot Wars
-Katamari Damacy
-Yumeria(by what I checked, this is a Strider/dot.hack-like scenario, except in this case, the game stayed in Japan and the anime was localized).
-Summon Night
-Namco X Capcom/Project X Zone(I think the original characters, like Reiji and Xiaomu, are owned by Namco)
-The Idolmaster
-Ar Tonelico
-Wagan Land
-Eternal Sonata
-Fragile Dreams
-Tank Tank Tank
-Lost Reavers
-Code Vein
-Scarlet Nexus
-Breakdown

Now the more anime titles:
-Digimon
-Gundam

I'm just putting those 2 down as I think Bandai Namco has full control of those for the most part, but I could be wrong. Now for the questionable ones:
-Little Nightmares(not developed by them, but both one and two were originally published by Bandai Namco)
-Sigma Star Saga(developed by Wayforward)
-The first Baten Kaitos(I think this is a Bayonetta scenario where the first is owned by Namco while the 2nd is owned by Nintendo).
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So there's certainly a variety to choose for a Namco crossover game. And even if there are some games that wouldn't be good for characters, they would be great for stages, music and whatnot. In terms what I would pick, Baraduke/Masuyo Tobi would be cool to see, considering she did the whole "revealed as female" deal before Samus made it popular. Tales of, Soul Calibur, Xenosaga and Dark Souls would be great to see. While I haven't played the original Summon Night series, I did play the Swordcraft Story GBA games and enjoyed those(and their writing by Atlus' localisation). And Eternal Sonata has some great music by Motoi Sakuraba.

 

[Speed Weed]

So I can give a list of Namco games and franchises in general for looking at ideas for characters, stages and whatnot. Let's start with the classic Arcade games first:
-Pac-Man
-Rally-X
-Galaxian/Galaga
-Bravoman
-Baraduke
-Dig Dug
-Mappy
-Legend of Valkyrie
-Tower of Duraga
-Genpai Toma Den
-Wonder Momo
-Dragon Buster
-Dragon Spirit
-Yokai Dochuki
-Metro-Cross
-Sky Kid
-Libble Rabble
-Splatterhouse
-Phelios
-Marvel Land(not to be confused with Legend of Valkyrie's Marvel Land).
-Pole Position
-Bosconian/Star Luster
-Xevious
-Steel Gunner
-Point Blank
-Time Crisis
-Thunder Ceptor

Now to the more modern/console titles:
-Tekken
-Ridge Racer
-Tales of
-Soul Calibur
-Dark Souls/Elden Ring
-God Eater
-Ace Combat
-Taiko no Tatsujin
-dot.hack
-Mr. Driller/Star Trigon
-Xenosaga
-Klonoa
-Super Robot Wars
-Katamari Damacy
-Yumeria(by what I checked, this is a Strider/dot.hack-like scenario, except in this case, the game stayed in Japan and the anime was localized).
-Summon Night
-Namco X Capcom/Project X Zone(I think the original characters, like Reiji and Xiaomu, are owned by Namco)
-The Idolmaster
-Ar Tonelico
-Wagan Land
-Eternal Sonata
-Fragile Dreams
-Tank Tank Tank
-Lost Reavers
-Code Vein
-Scarlet Nexus
-Breakdown

Now the more anime titles:
-Digimon
-Gundam

I'm just putting those 2 down as I think Bandai Namco has full control of those for the most part, but I could be wrong. Now for the questionable ones:
-Little Nightmares(not developed by them, but both one and two were originally published by Bandai Namco)
-Sigma Star Saga(developed by Wayforward)
-The first Baten Kaitos(I think this is a Bayonetta scenario where the first is owned by Namco while the 2nd is owned by Nintendo).
------
So there's certainly a variety to choose for a Namco crossover game. And even if there are some games that wouldn't be good for characters, they would be great for stages, music and whatnot. In terms what I would pick, Baraduke/Masuyo Tobi would be cool to see, considering she did the whole "revealed as female" deal before Samus made it popular. Tales of, Soul Calibur, Xenosaga and Dark Souls would be great to see. While I haven't played the original Summon Night series, I did play the Swordcraft Story GBA games and enjoyed those(and their writing by Atlus' localisation). And Eternal Sonata has some great music by Motoi Sakuraba.

Yeah, Bamco has some really cool stuff. I'm not sure if I wanna do stages, but it could be a fun thing to do afterwards. The roster's 30 characters, so I wound up not having room for some cool deeper cuts I'd have liked, but hey yknow, if you just put Every Possible Thing in it's not as interesting. Making those decisions is part of the fun!

The roster's almost done. I just have one slot I'm flip-flopping on. Who would be a good pick for a second Digimon rep? The series is kind of daunting to look into, and I looked up who were the most popular characters, and some options did strike me as interesting, but again, kind of a daunting selection. I want someone who really stands out as a unique fighter but is also notable in their own right.

 

[chocolatejr9]

So I can give a list of Namco games and franchises in general for looking at ideas for characters, stages and whatnot. Let's start with the classic Arcade games first:
-Pac-Man
-Rally-X
-Galaxian/Galaga
-Bravoman
-Baraduke
-Dig Dug
-Mappy
-Legend of Valkyrie
-Tower of Duraga
-Genpai Toma Den
-Wonder Momo
-Dragon Buster
-Dragon Spirit
-Yokai Dochuki
-Metro-Cross
-Sky Kid
-Libble Rabble
-Splatterhouse
-Phelios
-Marvel Land(not to be confused with Legend of Valkyrie's Marvel Land).
-Pole Position
-Bosconian/Star Luster
-Xevious
-Steel Gunner
-Point Blank
-Time Crisis
-Thunder Ceptor

Now to the more modern/console titles:
-Tekken
-Ridge Racer
-Tales of
-Soul Calibur
-Dark Souls/Elden Ring
-God Eater
-Ace Combat
-Taiko no Tatsujin
-dot.hack
-Mr. Driller/Star Trigon
-Xenosaga
-Klonoa
-Super Robot Wars
-Katamari Damacy
-Yumeria(by what I checked, this is a Strider/dot.hack-like scenario, except in this case, the game stayed in Japan and the anime was localized).
-Summon Night
-Namco X Capcom/Project X Zone(I think the original characters, like Reiji and Xiaomu, are owned by Namco)
-The Idolmaster
-Ar Tonelico
-Wagan Land
-Eternal Sonata
-Fragile Dreams
-Tank Tank Tank
-Lost Reavers
-Code Vein
-Scarlet Nexus
-Breakdown

Now the more anime titles:
-Digimon
-Gundam

I'm just putting those 2 down as I think Bandai Namco has full control of those for the most part, but I could be wrong. Now for the questionable ones:
-Little Nightmares(not developed by them, but both one and two were originally published by Bandai Namco)
-Sigma Star Saga(developed by Wayforward)
-The first Baten Kaitos(I think this is a Bayonetta scenario where the first is owned by Namco while the 2nd is owned by Nintendo).
------
So there's certainly a variety to choose for a Namco crossover game. And even if there are some games that wouldn't be good for characters, they would be great for stages, music and whatnot. In terms what I would pick, Baraduke/Masuyo Tobi would be cool to see, considering she did the whole "revealed as female" deal before Samus made it popular. Tales of, Soul Calibur, Xenosaga and Dark Souls would be great to see. While I haven't played the original Summon Night series, I did play the Swordcraft Story GBA games and enjoyed those(and their writing by Atlus' localisation). And Eternal Sonata has some great music by Motoi Sakuraba.

Digimon is definetly Bamco, as is Tamagotchi. This is the first I'm hearing about Gundam, though. It WOULD explain that one poll, though...

Yeah, Bamco has some really cool stuff. I'm not sure if I wanna do stages, but it could be a fun thing to do afterwards. The roster's 30 characters, so I wound up not having room for some cool deeper cuts I'd have liked, but hey yknow, if you just put Every Possible Thing in it's not as interesting. Making those decisions is part of the fun!

The roster's almost done. I just have one slot I'm flip-flopping on. Who would be a good pick for a second Digimon rep? The series is kind of daunting to look into, and I looked up who were the most popular characters, and some options did strike me as interesting, but again, kind of a daunting selection. I want someone who really stands out as a unique fighter but is also notable in their own right.

Maybe an obscure one, but maybe Impmon? I remember BrawlFan1 made a Smash moveset for him, if that helps.

 

[Ivander]

Yeah, Bamco has some really cool stuff. I'm not sure if I wanna do stages, but it could be a fun thing to do afterwards. The roster's 30 characters, so I wound up not having room for some cool deeper cuts I'd have liked, but hey yknow, if you just put Every Possible Thing in it's not as interesting. Making those decisions is part of the fun!

The roster's almost done. I just have one slot I'm flip-flopping on. Who would be a good pick for a second Digimon rep? The series is kind of daunting to look into, and I looked up who were the most popular characters, and some options did strike me as interesting, but again, kind of a daunting selection. I want someone who really stands out as a unique fighter but is also notable in their own right.

It is. Nevertheless, it's good to have a whole list of what's available to look at for what you can do with a character roster. Like even if you put priority into the more notable series, it's good to have the option and variety to pick characters from lesser notable series that could be very interesting or fun gameplay-wise. Otherwise, you end up with the fan rosters that take almost every character from Smash Bros. or Vs. Capcom and have very little originals or newcomers.

A 2nd Digimon rep aside from Agumon? I don't know about future Digimon past 2nd Season. If going by my knowledge of the first and 2nd gen, I know Gabumon was often the rival/secondary to Agumon and Patamon and Gatomon with their Angemon forms were recurring and popular. While in terms of a villain, Myotismon was probably the most notable villain, and one of the dangerous ones, who appeared in the first season and became a recurring villain with his re-appearance in the 2nd season.
In terms of anything I know about future Digimon, the only one I can really remember slightly is Impmon, who later got that Digievolution of the humanoid Devil Biker-like Digimon with two weapons, and apparently in the cartoon started as a minion who became a notable villain and later had a redemption arc. Otherwise, I'm in the dark in regards to future Digimon stuff.

 

[HyperSomari64]

I have a question related to Data East's library ownership.
Karnov's game and IP is owned by Paon DP, and Fighter's Legacy is owned by Marvelous. Karnov appears in those games and how the **** could happed when it comes to re-releases?
it doesn't end here, Atomic Chelnov (another Paon-owned game) appears in the last game of the FH series. I have nothing to answer but many more legality questions.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Unfortunately, a BUNCH of regulators are apparently against it due to anti-competition concerns (which is ironic, given they're fine with some of the stuff Sony has done). But Phil has made it VERY clear he wants the deal to go through, so who knows?

Yeah, it's super dumb that the bigger video game manufacturer is trying to hinder it's 3rd place competitor based on anti-monopoly concerns.

I have no idea how Mario and Rayman are lumped onto the "Scrimblo Bimblo" category even if they aren't anthropomorphic animals.

Scrimbo Bimblo is any cutesy mascot platformer. You don't have to be an animal.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Edit: Doublepost

 

[chocolatejr9]

TBH, I thought they'd wait until the Game Awards:

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[Sucumbio]

TBH, I thought they'd wait until the Game Awards:

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I'm actually excited.

420 pages eh? Nice.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

As far as mascot characters, Pac-Man and Bomberman being regarded as platformer staples makes complete sense given stuff like Pac-Man World and the Bomberman 64 games have had them venture into the genre fairly prominently. Heck, they're arguably the most famous spin-offs subseries of both franchises, given that stuff like Championship Edition and Super Bomberman can be argued as mainline sequels and/or successors rather than off-shoots.

 

[HyperSomari64]

As far as mascot characters, Pac-Man and Bomberman being regarded as platformer staples makes complete sense given stuff like Pac-Man World and the Bomberman 64 games have had them venture into the genre fairly prominently. Heck, they're arguably the most famous spin-offs subseries of both franchises, given that stuff like Championship Edition and Super Bomberman can be argued as mainline sequels and/or successors rather than off-shoots.

In that case Ryu from Street fighter is a staple of Whack-a-Mole machines.

- YouTube

Enjoy the videos and music that you love, upload original content and share it all with friends, family and the world on YouTube.

www.youtube.com

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

In that case Ryu from Street fighter is a staple of Whack-a-Mole machines.

- YouTube

Enjoy the videos and music that you love, upload original content and share it all with friends, family and the world on YouTube.

www.youtube.com

Not as much as he is for puzzle games:

 

[fogbadge]

TBH, I thought they'd wait until the Game Awards:

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abandon ship

 

[Laniv]

TBH, I thought they'd wait until the Game Awards:

There was a problem fetching the tweet

Well! Here we go again!

Spoiler

 

[Sucumbio]

Behold

The maze running shooter. In Smash?

 

[chocolatejr9]

Well! Here we go again!

Spoiler

Nice. Pauline getting respect. Combined with Penguins appearing and all the references on the poster, they seem like they're getting as many easter eggs as possible.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

TBH, I thought they'd wait until the Game Awards:

Sweeeeeeeet. Too bad I'm pretty sure I work at that exact time. Nothing like watching it live~

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

I’m just saying if there is an eventuality that Geno happens there better be an Easter egg where this plays after you win a match against Sephiroth:

 

[chocolatejr9]

I’m just saying if there is an eventuality that Geno happens there better be an Easter egg where this plays after you win a match against Sephiroth:

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"They took everything from me. My friends... my future... my RELEVANCE. And they replaced it with some... white-haired man."

(TBH, I just wanted an excuse to share this fanart, but shoutout to anybody who gets the reference).

Anyway, I'm sure Culex would be referenced SOMEHOW if Geno got in. Legend Spirit makes toi much sense, at least.

 

[Geno Boost]

If there will gen 9 pokemon coming to the next smash game I want it to be Tinkaton her design is just funny and really cool at the same time also I love seeing more hammer users in smash

 

[Gengar84]

If there will gen 9 pokemon coming to the next smash game I want it to be Tinkaton her design is just funny and really cool at the same time also I love seeing more hammer users in smash

I just beat the game a few days ago so I’ve got some thoughts I can expand on later. For now, I’ll just share a few of my favorite designs. I’m not sure if Pokémon names qualify as spoilers so I’ll tag them just to be safe:

Spoiler

 

[fogbadge]

If there will gen 9 pokemon coming to the next smash game I want it to be Tinkaton her design is just funny and really cool at the same time also I love seeing more hammer users in smash

i'd say gen 9 has a great selection of pokemon to be playable in smash and tinkaton is certainly one of them. though i get the feeling sak will once again pick an easy one. oh well unlike the rest of the internet i don't mind any of these three starters

 

[Infinity Sorcerer]

Hello again just a random thought I had recently. Do you guys think that (at least one of) the reasons why we only had 2 Fighter passed could hace been the COVID-19? I mean we know that it did affected the development of them and they didnt knew how much it would last the pandemy so they directly decided to cjt any plans for future DLC (asides of the other reason of Sakurai's own health).

 

[smashkirby]

This convo spurred a desire in me to make a Bamco fighting roster. I'd tried it beforehand, but always gave up early on. I already have a decent idea of which characters I wanna add, but do you have any suggestions yourself? Some picks you think would be fun?

This goes for other people here too btw, I want yall's feedback on this

Would it be alright if I suggested retro Namco characters (like Wonder Momo, Bravoman, and the like)?

 

[Gengar84]

i'd say gen 9 has a great selection of pokemon to be playable in smash and tinkaton is certainly one of them. though i get the feeling sak will once again pick an easy one. oh well unlike the rest of the internet i don't mind any of these three starters

While I do really like some of the individual Pokémon designs in this game, the main playable character for Smash I’d love to see is a bit unorthodox.

Huge endgame spoilers:

Spoiler

 

[Geno Boost]

Yeah, Bamco has some really cool stuff. I'm not sure if I wanna do stages, but it could be a fun thing to do afterwards. The roster's 30 characters, so I wound up not having room for some cool deeper cuts I'd have liked, but hey yknow, if you just put Every Possible Thing in it's not as interesting. Making those decisions is part of the fun!

The roster's almost done. I just have one slot I'm flip-flopping on. Who would be a good pick for a second Digimon rep? The series is kind of daunting to look into, and I looked up who were the most popular characters, and some options did strike me as interesting, but again, kind of a daunting selection. I want someone who really stands out as a unique fighter but is also notable in their own right.

Puppetmon would be extremely unique being both Gun and Hammer user something that no other video game character has besides Smithy from SMRPG

 

[PeridotGX]

If there will gen 9 pokemon coming to the next smash game I want it to be Tinkaton her design is just funny and really cool at the same time also I love seeing more hammer users in smash

Because of Sakurai's infamous Fe bias, we're going to get one of the future paradox Pokemon. Probably Iron Valiant or Iron Bundle, maybe both. The rest of them will be Pokeball Pokemon.

 

[Speed Weed]

Would it be alright if I suggested retro Namco characters (like Wonder Momo, Bravoman, and the like)?

Hell yeahhh

 

[Perkilator]

Hello again just a random thought I had recently. Do you guys think that (at least one of) the reasons why we only had 2 Fighter passed could hace been the COVID-19? I mean we know that it did affected the development of them and they didnt knew how much it would last the pandemy so they directly decided to cjt any plans for future DLC (asides of the other reason of Sakurai's own health).

I’m pretty sure there was only planned to be one Fighters Pass, but the success of Vol. 1 led to the development of Vol. 2; don’t quote me on that, though. That’s just speculation in my part.

 

[fogbadge]

While I do really like some of the individual Pokémon designs in this game, the main playable character for Smash I’d love to see is a bit unorthodox.

Huge endgame spoilers:

Spoiler

Spoiler