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If it's the game I'm thinking of (Enter the Dragonfly), that's actually at the top of the list. That game is pretty infamous due to how glitchy it was.
that would explain the aforementioned early boss fight
who while having Nintendo ties, is far less relevant and is actually owned by a competitor.
Based on what?
Wanting Crash is fine. I'm sure he'll be in Smash eventually. Pretending Crash deserves to be considered an actual rival to Mario or Sonic is laughable.
I wouldn't go that far.
Genuine question but would you say Crash is more generally popular than Ratchet & Clank or Rayman? I know the former is very unlikely due to being owned by Sony but I feel like Crash hit his prime during the original PlayStation and the others had a bit longer stretch of popularity. I could be wrong since I never really closely followed any of them very closely.
Not gonna lie, I’m a bit sad to see Fulgore left off of this potential list of fighting game characters. I feel Killer Instinct is pretty overlooked among Smash fans.There are basically two big things that I think make Morrigan possible, albeit somewhat unlikely:
1. We seem to get a traditional fighting game character during each wave of Smash DLC (
2. Our fighting game characters have, thus far, come exclusively from the golden age of Japanese arcade fighting games during the '90s.
This alone gives Morrigan a niche she could occupy. Darkstalkers is still a fondly remembered and influential classic of that era, especially in Japan. Being Capcom's other big fighting game franchise during that era certainly helps. Plus, Morrigan has a pretty unique moveset in terms of normals and potential mechanics that could be introduced and... other qualities that continue to make her incredibly popular 20+ years after Vampire Hunter/Saviour 2 was released.
That being said, Chun-Li, Sol, Scorpion, Nightmare, Nakoruru, a (dedicated) KoF character, and Kasumi could all theoretically occupy this spot as well, so I definitely agree she's not a shoe-in. Her being in competition with Capcom's stable is also a roadblock, but I have a hunch we'll get more than one Capcom character next game. There are just too many great choices to not double-dip.
I'd definitely say he's more generally popular than Rayman at least. Ratchet is harder to gauge because the period where Ratchet was the most active was when Crash was in a slump, with really only Rift Apart and It's About Time being analogous. Despite not being that far apart, they tend to feel like characters from very different eras. I'd say that of the two, more of the general public knows about Crash, while Ratchet has his games played by more people these days if only because Sony usually goes really hard on the marketing for it (the absolute flop of a movie aside).
I'm not opposed to Crash in Smash, but let's not rewrite history here. He was never at any point in time more popular than Sonic.
No, that was a surprise mechanic.
If only Sony showed that kind of love to their other non-hyper realistic story-driven stuff. Only ever played the first level of the first Sly Cooper, but if I had grown up with that game, I'd probably have wound up a Sony fan instead of a Nintendo fan... and likely would've been even more depressed over that series being dead than I already am...
This is what happens when they lock most of those IPs in the vault and go one to port The Last of Us to three different consoles.
I heard Jim Ryan is stepping down from Sony. Do you think this could possibly lead to better things?This is what happens when they lock most of those IPs in the vault and go one to port The Last of Us to three different consoles.
...God, I miss Ape Escape.
Inkling: Would still be considered a lock obciouslyOkay folks. Here's a fun thought experiment.
Let's assume that Ultimate's newcomers were never included, but everything else in the gaming landscape stayed the same. Characters would still appear in titles and newer games would still be made.
How would the speculation around those characters change? Would some be seen as never evers? Would some have stronger cases for inclusion now than they did back then?
For the record, the newcomers are...
Just to give one example, I think Daisy might become one of the most requested and most likely characters with her inclusion in Super Mario Wonder. Wonder would have taken the biggest argument against her (stuck in spin off hell since the 80s) and utterly demolished it.
I would say yes, Crash is more popular than Rachet and Rayman
Its because Sony doesnt treat it's history the same way companies like Nintendo and Capcom do.
Joker would not be in the discussion at all lol Persona 5 is one of my favorite games of all time but i never once thought about how it could be included in smash.Okay folks. Here's a fun thought experiment.
Let's assume that Ultimate's newcomers were never included, but everything else in the gaming landscape stayed the same. Characters would still appear in titles and newer games would still be made.
How would the speculation around those characters change? Would some be seen as never evers? Would some have stronger cases for inclusion now than they did back then?
For the record, the newcomers are...
Just to give one example, I think Daisy might become one of the most requested and most likely characters with her inclusion in Super Mario Wonder. Wonder would have taken the biggest argument against her (stuck in spin off hell since the 80s) and utterly demolished it.
Okay folks. Here's a fun thought experiment.
Let's assume that Ultimate's newcomers were never included, but everything else in the gaming landscape stayed the same. Characters would still appear in titles and newer games would still be made.
How would the speculation around those characters change? Would some be seen as never evers? Would some have stronger cases for inclusion now than they did back then?
For the record, the newcomers are...
Just to give one example, I think Daisy might become one of the most requested and most likely characters with her inclusion in Super Mario Wonder. Wonder would have taken the biggest argument against her (stuck in spin off hell since the 80s) and utterly demolished it.
: I think speculation would be the same for these characters because nothing has happened that has really effected their chances since then. Some of them have still appeared in new games and others haven't but would still be popular in Smash discussions.: Would be seen as more likely than before because of Super Mario Wonder.: Would be seen as more likely now that Persona 5 and most of its spinoffs have been released on the Switch.: I guess he would be seen as more likely now that Banjo-Kazooie and other Rare games have been re-released on the Switch.: I don't keep up with either series, so I can't really say for sure about them. Just that when it comes to Pokemon and Fire Emblem, a lot of characters get mentioned but you can always expect a rep or two.: I don't think ARMS made much of an impact when it was released and by now, it's faded into the shadows of the more bigger hits on the Switch. Therefore, I doubt Min Min would ever emerge in discussions as a potential new character for Smash.: Even though Xenoblade Chronicles 3 is the newest game in the series, I don't think it'll just a simple case of "new game, new rep". Both 2 and 3 were released on the Switch, so they're both still recent games. Fortunately for the fans, they can count on another XC rep after Shulk. It'll just be centered around which characters they like the most between the two games.: Since he was totally unexpected, I don't think anybody would even consider him. At least, not seriously.Inkling, Isabelle would still be seen as very, very likely picks. Ridley and K. Rool would still be powerhouses in the fan demand category (but we'd still probably have to hear about Ridley being too big, which would be a major drag).Okay folks. Here's a fun thought experiment.
Let's assume that Ultimate's newcomers were never included, but everything else in the gaming landscape stayed the same. Characters would still appear in titles and newer games would still be made.
How would the speculation around those characters change? Would some be seen as never evers? Would some have stronger cases for inclusion now than they did back then?
For the record, the newcomers are...
Just to give one example, I think Daisy might become one of the most requested and most likely characters with her inclusion in Super Mario Wonder. Wonder would have taken the biggest argument against her (stuck in spin off hell since the 80s) and utterly demolished it.
Okay folks. Here's a fun thought experiment.
Let's assume that Ultimate's newcomers were never included, but everything else in the gaming landscape stayed the same. Characters would still appear in titles and newer games would still be made.
How would the speculation around those characters change? Would some be seen as never evers? Would some have stronger cases for inclusion now than they did back then?
For the record, the newcomers are...
Just to give one example, I think Daisy might become one of the most requested and most likely characters with her inclusion in Super Mario Wonder. Wonder would have taken the biggest argument against her (stuck in spin off hell since the 80s) and utterly demolished it.
Super Mario Bros. Wonder would give her a huge boost. She'd still have to contend with Toad, Waluigi, and possibly Pauline, but she'd at least have some kind of edge. On the other end, these characters would be squarely in "missed the boat" territory. Byleth, Chrom, Incineroar, and the Aegis would get passed over in favor of Alear, Meowscarada, and Noah (and Mio?), and Min Min would be tossed aside with Elma, Officer Howard and Wonder Red. This is a tough one. If they did make it to NSO's Expansion Pack without Smash, that would take the biggest hurdle they had (Microsoft jail) and snap it in two. If not, they're still stuck in pipe dream land.
Improve:Okay folks. Here's a fun thought experiment.
Let's assume that Ultimate's newcomers were never included, but everything else in the gaming landscape stayed the same. Characters would still appear in titles and newer games would still be made.
How would the speculation around those characters change? Would some be seen as never evers? Would some have stronger cases for inclusion now than they did back then?
For the record, the newcomers are...
Just to give one example, I think Daisy might become one of the most requested and most likely characters with her inclusion in Super Mario Wonder. Wonder would have taken the biggest argument against her (stuck in spin off hell since the 80s) and utterly demolished it.
: As you said, Wonder removes a major point against her and would push her as a more prominent potential Mario character.: DQ11 breaking a million would give him more western presence and thus more fans talking about him even if just a bit more.: Nocturne would have more fans asking for him either instead of Simon, or alongside him as a costume or clone. Still, Simon would reign over him, and even in regard to the Netflix show Trevor would also be in contention for similar reasons.: Would still have pushback due to being considered 'irrelevant', but having their game on NSO would remove one of the major arguments against them.: Persona making it to the Switch would remove a major argument against him, but he would still have many fans pushing against him due to still not being 'Nintendo enough'.: Pokemon's rotating cast would mean that many fans would consider the heel wrestler to have missed the boat and move on to talking about the current generation.: Similar issue to Incineroar, though to their credit would still be asked for due to TH being the most successful FE as of this current time and even getting a spinoff to itself.: Again, like Incineroar and Byleth, they would be considered to have missed their chance and many would be focusing on the XB3 protagonists. Like Byleth though, would still have some push due to being popular characters. as without it being present many would still consider generic enemies off the table, and even for those who do bring it up it would also be in contention with other well-known Mario enemies.
I'm very late in replying to this, but my point was never meant to agree with the notion that Crash is a household name like Mario or Sonic. I was merely stating that he still has plenty of demand regardless of that fact and is in a technical better position industry wise compared to others like Banjo who wound up getting into Ultimate.
Yes, "big". I remember when Crash 4 came out and it really brought Crash back to the forefront of mascot platformers. It definitely wasn't immediately forgotten outside of all but, like, 5 people in the Smash community.
Based on what?
Wanting Crash is fine. I'm sure he'll be in Smash eventually. Pretending Crash deserves to be considered an actual rival to Mario or Sonic is laughable.
Like, I want to see Morrigan in Smash. But I'm not gonna be like "So we can recreate that Ryu vs. Scorpion vs. Morrigan rivalry!" That would be delusional of me.
what?
Actually he was. At the time he was pretty popular, Sonic was in the middle of a slump. You may want to do your research because facts were there and even I was surprised by it
I like to think the reason we consider Crash to be a rival to Mario the same way as Sonic (And by extension to Smash Bros) is because they're platformers. In other words Apples to Apples.
I'm not sure what you're even talking about. If you did your ressearch better than me, then show your source.
Its this specifically. Console and PC releases cross pollinate so much now, but there was a long period where they often operated in their own worlds. Obviously there were always people who played both and stuff like WoW was a mega-success within broader culture early on, however there was much less crossover and many console gamers often didn't venture into PC gaming because it was not sufficiently streamlined for them. For many, until the installation/setting adjustment process was accessible to a layman and a platform like Steam came along, it was just considered to complex or too much work for some players.
I'm still trying to figure out how to make Trap Team's gimmick work in Smash. Would it be like they have their own personal Assist Trophy that they can summon when the meter's full? But that could end up pretty broken...
I think a fun idea would be attacking your opponent to fill up a meter, and once it's full, you can temporarily transform into a stronger version of that character. It basically treats your opponent as the villain you're trying to capture, which I think is neat and is well along the lines of how I'd like to handle implementing game mechanics.
Not saying he shouldn't be in Smash. Just saying it's silly to suggest he's on the same level as Mario and Sonic. But that's true of most Smash characters.
I probably agree with Link but I’d personally prefer the alts to be for each of his incarnations in each game rather than just the Breath of the Wild outfits though that would be cool too. I’d love to see the same for both Zelda and Ganondorf as well.
