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I always forget that Darksouls is Bamco.
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Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread
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Gengar84
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My bad. I didn’t realize Hyabusa had been DOA since the beginning. I don’t really follow DOA and Hyabusa had a completely different design before DOA 4 so I never really made the connection until 4. I just assumed he was a guest character in 4. I still don’t know if I’d consider him a fighting game rep any more than I consider Mario a racing rep but he does at least have something over one time guest characters like Rash and Predator. I would think a character’s original origin would be what they represent as a genre. To me, that’s the same logic why Goku and Spider-Man are considered non video game characters despite each having tons of games.No upskirts = no problem.
Not really the same thing. Rash is guest character in KI. Ninja Gaiden and DoA take place in the same universe, and Hayabusa has been in every DoA game.
It's like how Guy and Cody are legit Street Fighter characters.
If we ever get the Super Crown in Smash, they can reuse those assets for Midnight Bliss.
I mean, he's GONNA have an Izuna Drop. That's just a fact.
Hells yeah!
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Only tangentially related, but Koei-Tecmo's long overdue for doing a Ninja Gaiden 2D collection. All the arcade, NES, Master System, Linx, Game Boy, & DS titles in one package would be relatively inexpensive to do and could find an audience rather easily.
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So I was thinking for whatever the next Smash is, based on how many slots were left in Ultimate’s files, we could see 18 unique newcomers (not counting Echo Fighters because they share listings with the fighters they’re based on)
That being said, would they all be base game, or would some be saved for DLC? What is the census.
That being said, would they all be base game, or would some be saved for DLC? What is the census.
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There obviously wouldn't be 18 newcomers in the base game.
In case you're wondering, I designed this list with the idea of getting Ultimate to 100 fighters, including Echoes. If Smash Ultimate was to get to 100 fighters, which fighters could you see in that hypothetical list? Mine is more of fantasy roster sorted by game:
- 1. Mario
- 2. Donkey Kong
- 3. Link
- 4. Samus
- 5. Yoshi
- 6. Kirby
- 7. Fox
- 8. Pikachu
- 9. Luigi
- 10. Ness
- 11. Captain Falcon
- 12. Meowth
- 13. Peach
- 14. Bowser
- 15. Ice Climbers
- 16. Sheik
- 17. Zelda
- 18. Scizor
- 19. Wario
- 20. Diddy Kong
- 21. Ayumi Tachibana
- 22. Marth
- 23. Mewtwo
- 24. Mr. Game & Watch
- 25. Young Link
- 26. Ganondorf
- 27. Falco
- 28. Roy
- 29. Meta Knight
- 30. Pit
- 31. Zero Suit Samus
- 32. Snake
- 33. Ike
- 34. Charizard
- 35. Lucas
- 36. Sonic
- 37. King Dedede
- 38. Olimar
- 39. Waluigi
- 40. Lucario
- 41. DeMille
- 42. R.O.B.
- 43. Toon Link
- 44. Wolf
- 45. Villager
- 46. Mega Man
- 47. Wii Fit Trainer
- 48. Rosalina & Luma
- 49. Little Mac
- 50. Bandana Waddle Dee
- 51. Greninja
- 52-54. Mii Fighters
- Brawler
- Swordfighter
- Gunner
- 55. Palutena
- 30ε. Dark Pit
- 56. PAC-MAN
- 22ε. Lucina
- 57. Robin
- 58. Shulk
- 59. Bowser Jr. / Koopalings
- 60. Duck Hunt
- 61. Rayman
- 62. Ryu
- 63. Cloud
- 64. Azura
- 65. Bayonetta
Unique Fighters
- 66. Inkling
- 67. Simon Belmont
- 68. Ridley
- 69. King K. Rool
- 70. Incineroar
- 71. Rowlet
- 72. Isabelle
- 73-74. Pyra / Mythra
- 75. Piranha Plant
- 4ε. Dark Samus
- 13ε. Daisy
- 14ε. Dry Bowser
- 28ε. Chrom
- 36ε. Dixie Kong
- 40ε. Alph
- 57ε. Celica
- 62ε. Ken Masters
- 67ε. Richter Belmont
Fighters Pass Vol. 1
- 76. Joker
- 77. Hero
- 78. Crash Bandicoot
- 79. Estelle Bright
- 80-82. Team Neo Geo
- 80. Terry Bogard
- 81. Iori Yagami
- 82. Nakoruru
- 83. Banjo & Kazooie
- 84. Min Min
- 85. Steve
- 86. Sephiroth
- 87. Kazuya
- 88. Dr. Eggman
- 89. Sora
I just think dark flames would be cooler, that's all.
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No offense dude but I don’t understand these hypothetical rosters you make where you replace characters that are already in Smash Bros, it doesn’t seem very productive trying to change things that are already in place I personally would just focus on a roster for like a future game or something working with the limitations you have.
I’m happy to hear out why this is such an appealing concept to you though I just have seen it multiple times and I do not understand personally.
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Smash ultimate was well ultimate it basically included almost everything you can ask for far as characters and stages, so how can you top that? Here Is the only way you can top it imo:
- Smash needs to be an mmo like multiversus except it needs to learn from it's mistakes.
There is many ways you could start this but I am going to go with what I think nintendo would go with and that is that is sell a 60 game with the content that is expected for that price and go from there.
this would allow all characters to return (pending 3rd partys)while staying fresh will all the new content coming in
- Smash needs to be an mmo like multiversus except it needs to learn from it's mistakes.
- have enough content when released other then just characters
- Graphics match the high standard that smash has in the past
- Price for characters and skins stay reasionable like there current dlc 5 a character and 1 or 2 for skins are pretty affortable
There is many ways you could start this but I am going to go with what I think nintendo would go with and that is that is sell a 60 game with the content that is expected for that price and go from there.
- start with the melee veterens plus a few newcomers
- a promise that all veterans will eventally return
- all characters will get a refresh on moveset
- smashs will go back to playable final smashes
- a story mode that will be added onto as time goes on
- break the targets unique to a chracter is back
this would allow all characters to return (pending 3rd partys)while staying fresh will all the new content coming in
so anyone else hear about this thing with nintendo and microsoft signing a deal to bring xbox games to switch?
It’s a blue tick account so it’s probably bogus
It’s a blue tick account so it’s probably bogus
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True Blue Warrior
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I don’t see why. Brawl had 18 newcomers and Smash 4 had 17 newcomers. The only reason we didn’t have that many in the base game of Ultimate was because of Everyone is Here, but that factor won’t be relevant in the next game given the next title will most likely be a new game (which means bringing back every single veteran won’t be a priority again).
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Or it will be an Ultimate Deluxe, in which case the essential of the work would already have been done. So one way or another, there will probably be "a lot" of newcomers.
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If you had to give every 3rd party franchise extra stage what will you choose?
hmm interesting question
Sonic: The Ark
Kingdom Hearts: Twilight Town
Final Fantasy: Lunar Subterrain
Banjo Kazooie: Cloud Cuckoo Land
Persona: the 3rd palace from 5 i forget what it's called
Megaman: hmm don't think i've played enough of them for a proper answer so let's jus say Light Labs
Street Fighter: Car Bonus Stage
i've not played pacman or minecraft. and the rest i would cut from the game
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I was mostly indifferent to Terry and Kazuya when they were first announced but they are a ton of fun to play. I’d hate to see either of them cut now since they’re both among my favorites gameplay wise.
Here’s a few of mine:
Sonic: Chemical Plant Zone
Mega Man: Central Highway
Final Fantasy: Bran Bal
Kingdom Hearts: City where you fight Xemnas towards the end in KH2 (forgot the name)
Persona: Yomotsu Hirasaka
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if I put in gengar would you change your mind?
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Nintendo and Microsoft sign 10-year Call of Duty deal, complete with content/release date parity https://t.co/q8XKD21NG7 pic.twitter.com/kp5JILXH2e
— GoNintendoTweet (@GoNintendoTweet) February 21, 2023
Huh. I guess COD just became slightly more likely for Smash.
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I’d be happy to see Gengar but I’d still miss playing as the other two honestly.
Hopefully that extends to Microsoft’s other games. I’d love to see RARE games back on Nintendo, particularly RARE Replay. The same goes for Blizzard if the sale goes through. I honestly can’t picture Call of Duty content in Smash but Battletoads, Killer Instinct, Perfect Dark, WarCraft, StarCraft, and Diablo would be awesome. We did get Ganondorf content in Diablo III so that’s a start.
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PeridotGX
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I feel that the 18 slots in the code don't really mean anything. The next smash game is just that - a new Smash game, it doesn't need to conform to Ultimate's limits. Hell, even in an Ultimate DX they could add more if need be.
That being said, if I had to make a roster with 18 new characters this is what I think it might look like.
- Waluigi
- Ashley
- Vaati/Ganon
- Raven Beak/Sylux
- Designated Pokemon
- Designated Fire Emblem
- Designated Xenoblade (nothing against any of those three series but the frontrunners for these slots don't exist yet)
- K.K Slider
- Octoling
- Akira Howard (Astral Chain)
- Issac
- Rhythm Heaven character (I don't know enough about the series to narrow it down)
- Iori (King of Fighters)
- Demi-Fiend (or some other mainline SMT rep)
- Phoenix Wright
- A Dark Souls/Elden Ring character (once again, I don't know enough to narrow it down)
- Rayman
- Kris (or another Toby Fox character)
hey I just posted that
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Yeah, I didn't see that until after I posted...
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Here’s mine:
1. Goomba or Goombella
2. Gengar
3. Nia
4. The Black Knight
5. Dixie Kong
6. Raven Beak
7. Akira Howard
8. Medusa
9. Jessie, James, and Meowth
10. The Battletoads
11. Magus
12. Zero
13. Bill Rizer
14. Sarah Kerrigan
15. Fulgore
16. Jinx
17. Lu Bu
18. Sub-Zero and Scorpion (semiclones)
It’s hard to cut down to 18 because there’s tons of others I’d love to see like Etna, Illidan, Shionne, and Xemnas but that’s what I’m thinking so far if I had to hold back a bit.
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If there is a new, good Perfect Dark on a Nintendo hardware someday, I open the champagne (well, the cava, but that's the idea). Although, to be fair, I have my doubts. Perfect Dark, like Golden Eye, was a great game and is still a blast to play, but I think FPS have evolved a lot since. It might be a thing of the past. Except maybe concerning the objectives and the level-design? For the little time I spent on Halo with my friend, it seems to me very straightforward and just kill everyone.
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Perfect Dark had a ton of really interesting modes I haven’t really seen in games since. One of my favorites is basically a two player vs campaign where the second player takes control of a random enemy until they die then they get swapped to controlling another enemy. The custom action you had with the AI bots in the battle modes was also really creative.
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Sonic: Space colony ark
Megaman: The highway from Megaman X
Pacman: Pacmaze
Persona: Midnight channel
Kingdom Hearts: Traverse town
Honestly i can't think of anything else for th others. FF7 shouldnt get a third stage so i didnt add it.
They would be stupid NOT to let COD be multiplat
Oracle Link
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So ive just seen 36 spots with not a single Kirby Character?
Okay lets lobby again:
As Much as im a Dark Matter Guy weve Reached a Point were these two would be best for Smash! They are both modern Kirby Mainstays Fan favourites, Cute and Popular!
With these two kirby would have 5 Characters which by all accounts shouldnt be "Too Much" Or "Undeserved"
Also adding the 4th Main Char and a
is great to cover more of the extensive world of Kirby!
Okay lets lobby again:
As Much as im a Dark Matter Guy weve Reached a Point were these two would be best for Smash! They are both modern Kirby Mainstays Fan favourites, Cute and Popular!
With these two kirby would have 5 Characters which by all accounts shouldnt be "Too Much" Or "Undeserved"
Also adding the 4th Main Char and a
Eldritch Horror
Here’s my 18:
- Waluigi
- Paper Mario
- Raven Beak
- Bandana Waddle Dee
- The new Pokémon character
- The new Fire Emblem character
- Noah & Mio
- Ring Fit Trainee
- Ayumi Tachibana
- Dr. Eggman
- Zero
- Crash Bandicoot
- 2B
- Rayman
- Nakoruru
- Estelle Bright
- Dragonborn
- Yuri Lowell
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I really enjoy Kirby games. The only issue is that my favorite character is a random enemy (Bugzzy) that would require another Piranha Plant situation and I already have Goomba. That said, I certainly wouldn’t complain about getting BWD or Magalor, they’re just not at the top of my most wanted lists.So ive just seen 36 spots with not a single Kirby Character?
Okay lets lobby again:
As Much as im a Dark Matter Guy weve Reached a Point were these two would be best for Smash! They are both modern Kirby Mainstays Fan favourites, Cute and Popular!
With these two kirby would have 5 Characters which by all accounts shouldnt be "Too Much" Or "Undeserved"
Also adding the 4th Main Char and ais great to cover more of the extensive world of Kirby!Eldritch Horror
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PeridotGX
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I think it's a fun thought experiment, to think of what I would have done if I was in Sakurai's boots. I don't indulge in it quite as often as Perk does though.
That's a fun roster! Mine was mostly a prediction roster, not a wishlist. Off the top of my head, the only character there that I particularly want is Kris.
Damn, I had a feeling I was forgetting something important. I would definitely swap out the Phoenix or the Soulsborne rep for Bandana Dee, he's one of the most likely first parties.So ive just seen 36 spots with not a single Kirby Character?
Okay lets lobby again:
As Much as im a Dark Matter Guy weve Reached a Point were these two would be best for Smash! They are both modern Kirby Mainstays Fan favourites, Cute and Popular!
With these two kirby would have 5 Characters which by all accounts shouldnt be "Too Much" Or "Undeserved"
Also adding the 4th Main Char and ais great to cover more of the extensive world of Kirby!Eldritch Horror
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As if Waddle dee wouldnt be anothr Pirahna plant situation lol
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Thanks. I usually like to share wish lists that I can at least make some argument for their inclusion and aren’t completely unrealistic, so kind of a hybrid between a wish list and a prediction list. There are other characters, like my absolute favorite character, Zegram from Rogue Galaxy, that I can’t make any case for besides “I like them” that I usually try to leave out of lists like this.
Oracle Link
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He Wouldnt as Bandana Dee Is An Actual Character and even by themselves Enemys Are Fine as long as they are pretty huge IMO For example Metroids would be cool too!
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BWD is essentially like Goombella in that they are actual characters that belong to the general species of an iconic enemy.
Speaking of non traditional choices for characters, I think a summon from Final Fantasy like Ifrit or Bahamut could be a fun and unexpected addition to the roster.
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Mamboo07
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I would go with either the Metroid's Zeta or Omega forms as a fighter:
(Or maybe Zeta turns into its Omega stage as a Final Smash)
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That’s just the type of weird fighter I’d love to see more of in Smash. We have so many human characters it would be fun to see something more monstrous for a change.
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Sonic: Death Egg Zone
Metal Gear: Mother Base (MGSV)
Mega Man: Sigma's Hideout
Pac Man: Bring Back Pac Maze first >_<
Street Fighter: Shopping District
Final Fantasy: If its is another VII stage, I would go with Nibelheim. If not FFVII, I would do either Kefka's Tower of Macalania Woods
Bayonetta: The Gates of Hell
Castlevania: I think a recreation of the internal aspects of Dracula's Castle from SoTN would be sick
Persona: Tartarus
Dragon Quest: I'm gonna be real, not a big DQ fan, so pass on this one
Banjo and Kazooie:
Fatal Fury: Geese Tower
Minecraft: The Nether
Tekken: Mishima Buidling
Kingdom Hearts: Twilight Town
Mamboo07
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Sonic: City Escape
Metal Gear: Cocoon (One of the AI weapons)
Mega Man: Sigma's Hideout
Pac Man: Buccaneer Beach from World
Street Fighter: Antartica (Fight on hovercrafts and that giant mammoth chasing)
Final Fantasy: Phantom Train
Bayonetta: Route 666
Castlevania: Clock Tower
Persona: Tartarus
Dragon Quest: Zenithia
Banjo and Kazooie: Rust Bucket Bay
Fatal Fury: Pao Pao Cafe
Minecraft: Nether
Tekken: Urban War Zone
Kingdom Hearts: 1000 Battle (huge Heartless hordes)
Oracle Link
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I would personally fo with Normal (Larva) Metroids As I prefer Their Cute/ Terrifiying mix and general Jellyfishish aesthetic
But Obviously they would turn into a queen or omega for the final Smash!
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I think i fleshed out my SRW smash bros stage idea so i'm going to share it here because i dont know where else too.
It'd basically be like the Halberd stage where you fight around one of the Original battleships that was mad just for the SRW series, it starts off on Earth but eventually the ship flies into space, while all this is happening surrounding the smash fighters is a battle between the SRW party members and some un-named enemy force, like what we see in this animation from SRW alpha 3
But of course like Sora who didn't bring Mickey, Donald and Goofy with him this background would not feature camos of Chibi Gundams, Mazingers or Transformer-esque mechs, but instead entirely the Original gneration robots like the ones we see here
That would serve as the background cameos that smash stages like to give.
It'd basically be like the Halberd stage where you fight around one of the Original battleships that was mad just for the SRW series, it starts off on Earth but eventually the ship flies into space, while all this is happening surrounding the smash fighters is a battle between the SRW party members and some un-named enemy force, like what we see in this animation from SRW alpha 3
But of course like Sora who didn't bring Mickey, Donald and Goofy with him this background would not feature camos of Chibi Gundams, Mazingers or Transformer-esque mechs, but instead entirely the Original gneration robots like the ones we see here
That would serve as the background cameos that smash stages like to give.
HyperSomari64
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Stage Idea:
Remember in the GBA version of Donkey Kong Country where there are seret rooms with a black void with screenshots of the levels and a white-ish floor.
A kinda crazy stage for Smash
Remember in the GBA version of Donkey Kong Country where there are seret rooms with a black void with screenshots of the levels and a white-ish floor.
A kinda crazy stage for Smash